MERGED: FEDERAL DEMOCRACY: A solution to the sick country, the Philippines.

[Romeojin]

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@ Romeojin

Decentralization and Economic Growth

Current situation.
Centralized development. Ang improved kaau nga lugar ang Imperial Manila ug uban pang bahin sa Luzon, 60% of all the money of the Phippines is there. If nakaadto ka, lapad kaau ug mga kalsada didto. Nag sapaw2x ang mga flyover. Ang ubang bahin sa nasud gipasagdan kay maghuwat ra man ug proyekto sa Manila kay sila ang nag control sa budget. Unya, dili ka malain ana nga majority sa income sa imong province, sila ang nagpahimulos. Unsay nahitabo, daghan ang negosyante didto. Ang mga probinsyano moadto ug Manila kay manimpad intawon. So, overpopulated na sila. Problems arises; crimes, squatters ug uban pa. Daghan ang immature electorate because of National TV kay centralize man. Modaug ang dili qualified like Bong, Jinggoy, etc. International community think that Manila is Philippines. Pero dili kay dako ang Pilipinas. Sama sa nahitabo nga hostage crisis, tourism is affected kay para nila Manila ra man ang Pilipinas. Travel advisory dayon, Cebu, Davao and other tourist destination is affected.


Decentralization under Federalism.
80% of the budget stays in each province. So, they have full control of the money. They can implement projects that will improve their places. Infrastructures like roads, power plants, communications and others will attract investors. So, daghan na unya ang mo invest. Daghan nag trabaho, economy will grow constantly. Each state will have their own sikat nga media. Dili na unya mga dagkong network ang mo control sa Philippines like abs-cbn and GMA7. If money is the problem, we can always borrow from World Bank and IMF. As long as sakto nga proyekto ang padulngan. Ang mga probinsyano sa Manila kay mamauli sa tagsa2x nila ka mga lugar. Masulbad ang problema sa Manila. PROMDI concept bah of Lito O. Kadungog na ka anang PROMDI Sir. Poor provinces will have fewer needs than that of the rich. They can always elect the best leader to improve their place.

Nakatuhog ka Romeojin sa akong gipasabot. There is direct positive realtionship between Decentralization and Economic Growth.

Padung ang kwarta sa Manila kay adto man didto ang HQ sa mga goverment branch esp ang BIR. pati ang metro manila gives the central government the same amount of tax.

kaya nato ang progress without federalism, cebu is a proof of that. progrss starts from within. nagtuo mo mo-donate ang uban state kung nagbagyo, nag-earthquak sa usa ka state.

[peewee_toot]

^^yup! mo donate mn sir. just like the past incident...

[RMK711]

sunod unsa man ibayad/suweldo sa state police, military, state official, juwes, etc .. unsa ? bayaran nila ug gulay tan-aw nimo naa pa kwara ang state kung ang maintenance palang nila is in the Billions lol. basin magtanum nalang ning mga agriculture state ng marijuana

Sus.. unsa man ning mga pamutana uy.. common sense raman ang tubag ani. Ang kuwarta nga rematado unta sa manila mao ni gamiton nato para pag-fund sa state expenses. So far wala pa jud kay ebidensya nga mas mahal ang federal kaysa state. Ang Australia, federal pero ang ilahang VAT 10% ra. Atoa 12% na inya naa pa juy gaplano nga i-15% kay kulang ra daw. Peste aning pilipinas ui... mao nang tawag nimo nga efficient? basura system.. To hell with the tagalogs and their incompetence. I want my money to stay in my town, city and province!

Duplication? Haha that makes me laugh. You have a very weak understanding of federalism if you seriously believe this. Under the federal system there are still national institutions, they don't all become state institutions. There's an EPA in the United States that handles all environmental concerns, that's the equivalent of the DENR and it is a national institution. We have to build a state capitol in each province? wooooow, you mean the capitol building that we already have?? That makes no sense whatsoever. On proof that decentralization won't cost money, the proof is in the real world not some study. Again, why does Australia only have a 10% VAT and ours is 12%.. efficient my ass. Also, the one who makes the allegation is the one with the burden of proof to prove it. You allege that federalism is inefficient, so you should prove it.

Whatever state institutions are necessary in each state, should in fact be created. Are you suggesting that there isn't a PNP branch in every state, or a court of appeals in every state in the present system? Duh.. Even in a centralized system, there is obviously a need for local institutions which require buildings, manpower, etc. The only branch of government that will really be duplicated under the federal system is the judiciary, and that in my view is needed because cases right now take way too fkin long (pardon my language) and go to far off judges in Manila who have no idea about most cases because they don't reside in the place where the cases originated from, so they just resort to taking bribe money to decide cases, hence the unfunny flip-flops in court decisions that make our justice system the butt of jokes internationally.

Is Malaysia less efficient than the Philippines? I think you or someone else claimed that federalism requires a rich country.. Malaysia isn't that rich, but federalism is working pretty well there.

[RMK711]

repost.. asa aman to c RMK711 ..



sir . unsa imo pasabot ani?? federal system ang indonesia?

Category:Federal countries - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
File:Map of federal states.svg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

sa ako nahibaw an ang malaysia ang federal dili ang indonesia

note:
before ang singapore is part sa malaysia which has federal system
pobre ang lugar... kadto under pa sila sa federal system
pero after na kick out sila sa country... diha sila na dato


its not the system but the people who runs the system

Ok yeah Indonesia isn't federal. But they have a federal arrangement with respect to Bali which enjoys real autonomy as opposed to the joke they implemented in Mindanao.

And it is both the people and the system. 90% people, 10% system.

[Jaggernought]

They are surviving now, so what makes you think they won't survive when federalism is in place. Under sa present nga system, even the poorest provinces are remitting most of their taxes to manila. Does that sound fair to you? In Cebu, our average income is lower than that in Manila, yet we remit most of our taxes to them.

If you leave people alone and let them fend for themselves, I believe they will do better. It's wrong to think that subsidizing regions and propping them up will be better for them in the long run, they will just become dependent and lazy. Federalism also allows support for poorer states, they practice this in Australia, because the Federal government still has its own funds which it can funnel to places as it sees fit. The only difference is that the funds are limited under the federal system, as opposed to nearly unlimited under the present system and in our case the money is not being funneled into the places that need them most, but are funneled to manila where it gets lost in a black hole. In my opinion, that's not a bad thing.

Yup, surviving and branded as sickly,
how can it be certain that it can stand alone by itself when it is still sick?
is'nt it better to let it alone when he is strong enough to stand by itself.
I think we cannot yet still compare philippines to either The US or Australia,
the difference is very very substantial.

[masakiton]

Ang Australia, federal pero ang ilahang VAT 10% ra.

Value added tax - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
federal states:
germany - 25%
argentina - 21%
austria - 20%
beligum - 21%
brazil - 12% + 25% + 5%
mexico - 16%

Is Malaysia less efficient than the Philippines? I think you or someone else claimed that federalism requires a rich country.. Malaysia isn't that rich, but federalism is working pretty well there.

ngano ang singapore pobre man kadto under pa sila sa malaysia?
na dato ra sila after sila na kick out sa malaysia
its not the system but the people who runs the system

Ok yeah Indonesia isn't federal. But they have a federal arrangement with respect to Bali which enjoys real autonomy as opposed to the joke they implemented in Mindanao.

And it is both the people and the system. 90% people, 10% system.

pwede nimo ma post ang imo source sir aron ma enlighten pud ko

[Rajzh_niX]

Changing people's character? Is that what you call realistic? You can't change people's character in a night. Daghang Pinoy naa sa gawas, they are in millions na. Do you think they suddenly change their character? They didn't. They are forced to abide the laws that govern each country where they are working. Unsaon man nimo pag control ang mga tawo nga dili mo abuso? Balaod mga migo, di ba? So, meaning ilisan ang bulok nga sestema sa gobyerno.

Example: We'll send 100 criminals to Singapore, do you think majority of them still commit crimes, knowing how strict Singapore is about lawless elements. Dili, kay sa Singapore ma buotan ka ug ahat.
Mao ra sad na sa federalism, ma tarong ang mga traditional nga pulitiko.

cause they are not in their territory.....they are not in a place where his culture is not practiced.....if you change the system, mau gihapon ang mga tao coz naa ra japon ta sa Pinas.....yes, each provinces can improve themselves esp in their own economy but how about the regions where there is a small source of resources and may not match that of other states (e.g Romblon, Masbate, Catanduanes, Batanes Islands).....

[masakiton]

Example: We'll send 100 criminals to Singapore, do you think majority of them still commit crimes, knowing how strict Singapore is about lawless elements. Dili, kay sa Singapore ma buotan ka ug ahat.
Mao ra sad na sa federalism, ma tarong ang mga traditional nga pulitiko.

mas realistic nga example

mga pok2x sa philippinas nga medyo naa kwarta mag singapore para mag pok2x (30 days social visit pass - tourist)

naa ko naka sakay HK - SG nga flight
gikan siya pinas... nag macau - HK siya aron trabaho sa bar ... 14days raman siya sa HK mao nang nag SG siya para 30days siya mo trabaho sa bar .. tourist iya status

naa rana sa taw ... dili sa system

[RMK711]

Value added tax - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
federal states:
germany - 25%
argentina - 21%
austria - 20%
beligum - 21%
brazil - 12% + 25% + 5%
mexico - 16%



ngano ang singapore pobre man kadto under pa sila sa malaysia?
na dato ra sila after sila na kick out sa malaysia
its not the system but the people who runs the system



pwede nimo ma post ang imo source sir aron ma enlighten pud ko

Ikaw diay, unsa may source nimo beh nga ang tao ang problema dili ang systema. Cliche ra pud kaayo nahulog na og corny hahaha.

Pobre ang singapore adto kay pobre man sad ang malaysia, bag-o lang sila naka-kuha og independence. Ang rason ngano nigawas ang Singapura, kay ang intsik didto dili ka-agwanta sa mga malay kay grabe kaayo ang discrimination. And what's your point again of bringing up singapore? Isn't separation the ultimate form of federalism? It grants total autonomy, not only in matters of state institutions but also militarily, they have their own army. In that regard, separation is even better than federalism, I'd settle for federalism but what I really want is a separate country here in cebu so we get free of those tagalogs in manila once and for all...

Kanang imong gilista nga mga nasud, katawanan kaayo kai niprove lang na nga ang systema walay relasyon ang tax og ang systema.. federal does not mean greater tax. how about centralized VAT:

Chile - 19%
Poland - 22%
Albania - 20%

See I can engage in intellectual dishonesty via selective presentation of facts too, just like you! There's still no evidence that taxation will increase because of federalism. If anything, taxes are related to whether the government is socialist or pure capitalist, as the former tend to have higher taxes (to fund social programs).

[masakiton]

Ikaw diay, unsa may source nimo beh nga ang tao ang problema dili ang systema. Cliche ra pud kaayo nahulog na og corny hahaha.

iraq ... oil rich country pero walai klaro ang nag pa dagan sa government (Federal)
sudan ... pobre gihapon maski federal government
Ethiopia ... pobre gihapon maski federal government

singapore - limited land and no natural resources pero na dato ug na himo nga tourist destination

History of the Republic of Singapore - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The history of the Republic of Singapore began when Singapore gained its independence and became a republic following an ejection from Malaysia on 9 August 1965.[1] After the separation, the fledgling nation had to become self-sufficient, and faced problems including mass unemployment, housing shortages and lack of land and natural resources such as petroleum. During Lee Kuan Yew's term as prime minister from 1959 to 1990, his administration curbed unemployment, raised the standard of living and implemented a large-scale public housing programme. The country's economic infrastructure was developed, racial tension was eliminated and an independent national defence system was created. Singapore evolved from a developing nation to first world status towards the end of the 20th century.[2]

its not the system but the people who runs the system

Sus.. unsa man ning mga pamutana uy.. common sense raman ang tubag ani. Ang kuwarta nga rematado unta sa manila mao ni gamiton nato para pag-fund sa state expenses. So far wala pa jud kay ebidensya nga mas mahal ang federal kaysa state. Ang Australia, federal pero ang ilahang VAT 10% ra. Atoa 12% na inya naa pa juy gaplano nga i-15% kay kulang ra daw. Peste aning pilipinas ui... mao nang tawag nimo nga efficient? basura system.. To hell with the tagalogs and their incompetence. I want my money to stay in my town, city and province!

Kanang imong gilista nga nasud, katawanan kaayo kai niprove lang na nga ang systema walay relasyon ang tax og ang systema.. federal does not mean lower tax. Cliche ra pud kaayo nahulog na og corny hahaha

Pobre ang singapore adto kay pobre man sad ang malaysia, bag-o lang sila naka-kuha og independence.

diba oil rich nation man ang malaysia?

Ok yeah Indonesia isn't federal. But they have a federal arrangement with respect to Bali which enjoys real autonomy as opposed to the joke they implemented in Mindanao.

And it is both the people and the system. 90% people, 10% system.

pwede nimo ma post ang imo source sir aron ma enlighten pud ko