MERGED: FEDERAL DEMOCRACY: A solution to the sick country, the Philippines.

[BIGMAN]

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halos tanan naa mana sa eroplano ... maski naa na halos tanan nga features sa plane naa man gihapon accident due to pilot error.
example kai kadto cargo plane ug passenger plane ng na bangga sa mai atlantic bato.. nag warning na ang TCAS pero ila gi ignore... nag bangga gihapon

when theres s will theres a way
corrupt officials can have their techniques to steal and stay in power
good examples... mga radaza ug c gwen garcia

There is no such thing as perfect as we want it to be. Just like the system of government. I'm not saying that federalism is perfect. It's just best suited for the Philippines. Now, ang pangutana. Mas daghan ba ang na crash nga eroplano kay sa naka abot sa ilang destinasyon? Huh!!!

[masakiton]

There is no such thing as perfect as we want it to be. Just like the system of government. I'm not saying that federalism is perfect. It's just best suited for the Philippines. Now, ang pangutana. Mas daghan ba nag na crash nga eroplano kay sa naka abot sa ilang destinasyon? Huh!!!

dili man ingon ana ka daghan nag crash
pero ang system sa eroplano nag agad ra sa pilot
same with government system ... nag agad ra sa mga taw nga nag pa dagan sa system

sa akong pag sakay2x ug jeep (specially danao nga jeepney). wala silay daghan navigational system ug uban pang safety features. pero na abot man gihapon ko safely sa ako destination.. salamat sa maayo nga drver

[BIGMAN]

i get the point why you want federalism in the Phils....esp due to our geographic condition, pabor jud....pero para nako, ang problema is naa sa man sa tao mismo...even if we force people to change, create an efficient form of government kung mismo ang mga leaders naay hidden motives and plans such a government will still turn out to be the same....

Then, what are we going to do with the people? Wait for them to change? Kill them all? Any suggestions?

[bearish]

Here is an analogy for you masakiton. There is this very reckless driver. He's been to car accident for a several times. Now, here comes a very advanced car. An automatic braking system is installed that once you are about to bump a car. It automatically applies a brake. A GPS is installed that every time it sees a dead end, blind curve and whatsoever, it warns the driver to slow his speed. Just like the function of a seat belt, air bags and more. Now, does the reckless driver suddenly changed his character? Absolutely not. He's forced to go on with the car features. Gradually, he will become a good driver.

That also applies to an efficient system of government. Officials will be forced to changed their character because they will become insignificant. When they corrupt the funds, they will be locked in jail. There will be transparency in governance. Once they will not perform well in office, people can change them in next election.

this analogy is irrelevant. this means the car becomes the driver. the car may run without a driver or maybe the driver is a robot.

on the other hand, if the driver know that the system of the car can be manipulated definitely he will because he does not want to change his behavior. he would want to run the car the way he wants. otherwise, the driver becomes bored and will eventually quit as a driver.

do you mean that federalism can't be manipulated? Corruption can never be eradicated totally, unless there's change in culture, attitude and the state of mind. Let's be realistic.

[BIGMAN]

this analogy is irrelevant. this means the car becomes the driver. the car may run without a driver or maybe the driver is a robot.

on the other hand, if the driver know that the system of the car can be manipulated definitely he will because he does not want to change his behavior. he would want to run the car the way he wants. otherwise, the driver becomes bored and will eventually quit as a driver.

do you mean that federalism can't be manipulated? Corruption can never be eradicated totally, unless there's change in culture, attitude and the state of mind. Let's be realistic.

Ha ha ha, dig deeper Bearish. Analyze closely, I'm not eliminating the driver here. Safety measure was just installed to avoid/minimize accident. Did I say corruption will be totally eliminated under federal? I didn't, it will be minimized. Ha ha ha, think out of the box, you.

[Romeojin]

@Bigman

you cant just go on to my list and oppose these, you talked as if money grows on tree; buildings, power plants & other infrastructures will just grows out of of the ground; people will not be selfish; that people would just allow to be tax more; corruption can be easily prevented; that people would adjust (be good) with the new system; political dynasty would not be a problem; insurgencies would be solved; and our country would not be divided etc the world aint perfect you know.

We need a good economy or become a First World Country to be able to afford federalism and there is no proof (accdg to a study) that federalism would solve economic problem and poverty cause there is no direct positive relation between decentralization and economic growth.

how can you be sure that a certain branch of government would operate well with limited funds, even our current system had this problem what more if we increase our government officials and staffs who will pay them? federal state will more or less gonna pay the same amount for government services.. and how about those poor region or regions who are predominantly agriculture regions, they cant compete with those highly industrialized and commercialized states.. dont tell me businessmen will just invest on these poor states. had you been in Mindanao.. can you see a lot of chains of McDonalds, KFC, Pizza Hut,etc.. No, cause only few willing to invest on it. If cebu made this so far despite handing the capital a large stake of our tax money, why does the other regions and City make it with our current system?

[Romeojin]

Here is an analogy for you masakiton. There is this very reckless driver. He's been to car accident for a several times. Now, here comes a very advanced car. An automatic braking system is installed that once you are about to bump a car. It automatically applies a brake. A GPS is installed that every time it sees a dead end, blind curve and whatsoever, it warns the driver to slow his speed. Just like the function of a seat belt, air bags and more. Now, does the reckless driver suddenly changed his character? Absolutely not. He's forced to go on with the car features. Gradually, he will become a good driver.

That also applies to an efficient system of government. Officials will be forced to changed their character because they will become insignificant. When they corrupt the funds, they will be locked in jail. There will be transparency in governance. Once they will not perform well in office, people can change them in next election.

The reckless driver does not follow traffic rules thats why he gets into trouble. changing to a different car would not matter if he continues not to follow the traffic eg. the blind curve sign should recall the driver to slow down. if we equate the driver as the people; the car is the system of government; and the rules as the constitution. the change of system of government would not matter with the same reckless mentality the people are. so the solution is to change the rules by not allowing reckless drivers to drive

[akoLoloNinja]

Problema gihapon ni kung mag federal form of government ta, tungod aning political dynasty. Kay cla lang unya gihapon ang mohawod sa mga state ug kinsa naman unya mo control nla nga naa naman cla full control sa state?

[akoLoloNinja]

Para nako ang progress sa usa ka nasod magsugod gyud sa tagsa tagsa nato. The changes in form of government may help us, pro we as citizen has to mature first. Dli nato tanan isalig sa atong panggoberno. Pro murag sa current estado karon, ang Pilipinas murag layo pa sa tinuod. Basihi lang gud ang last election, tan awa ug kinsay gipangbotaran.

[flanker]

I really like this idea.. but this wont work unless Pinoys will have discipline.