MERGED: FEDERAL DEMOCRACY: A solution to the sick country, the Philippines.

[BIGMAN]

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the system is run by the government officials
the officials are voted by the people ...
if the official that runs the system is incompetent = system is incompetent

100,000,000 times (-1) = -100,000,000

Here is an analogy for you masakiton. There is this very reckless driver. He's been to car accident for a several times. Now, here comes a very advanced car. An automatic braking system is installed that once you are about to bump a car. It automatically applies a brake. A GPS is installed that every time it sees a dead end, blind curve and whatsoever, it warns the driver to slow his speed. Just like the function of a seat belt, air bags and more. Now, does the reckless driver suddenly changed his character? Absolutely not. He's forced to go on with the car features. Gradually, he will become a good driver.

That also applies to an efficient system of government. Officials will be forced to changed their character because they will become insignificant. When they corrupt the funds, they will be locked in jail. There will be transparency in governance. Once they will not perform well in office, people can change them in next election.

[BIGMAN]

as what you can see, the disadvantages outweigh more than that of the advantages.....before people will realize the advantages, grabe na ug effect ang disadvantages.....samot na magkagubot atong country....nagkontrahanay na gani ang mga regions, samot na kung federal states na ta....

Dili lagi intawon na sila magkontrahay because laws will be drafted in each states. They can also have some laws that are common to each state. Then, a federal laws will stand for them or act as a neutralizer. That would be the rule of a federal President to maintain unity, peace and progress for the country.

[Rajzh_niX]

i get the point why you want federalism in the Phils....esp due to our geographic condition, pabor jud....pero para nako, ang problema is naa sa man sa tao mismo...even if we force people to change, create an efficient form of government kung mismo ang mga leaders naay hidden motives and plans such a government will still turn out to be the same....

[Romeojin]

We are not concern for Cebu only. Our concern is for the entire country. And we will not be spending billions in drafting a new constitution. Or even if we will, we gonna get it back. As I've said, state will be done by regions. So, they will find ways to improve their own state. They need to elect the best leader in town. And that economic reform you are talking, how will you do that? It will be eaten up by this dysfunctional system of government.

im not saying we gonna spend billions in drafting a new constitution. im talking about the necessary infrastructure necessary for federalism. I think its best we enumerate the positive and negative scenarios so people will have a clear idea the side effects of federalism.

Negative scenarios:
1. DILG, DENR, DA, DoH, and other department/agencies will be dissolve. every state will have to build infrastructure, maintain the agency and hire their own employees. this could amount to billion or even trillions of peso.
2. PNP will be dissolve and every state will maintain their own state police, poorer state will may have law and order problem.
3. each state will also build up and maintain their own SC, and more congressman will be needed alangan man 6 lang ka congressman mo debate/enact sa state law.
4. laws may vary from state to state. ARMM state may legalize death penalty and even stoning as capital punishment. this law variance will just lead to conflict either in regional, national and even international.
5. TAX will be raised definitely. state government would need more funding.
6. there is a chance a state will break away from the Philippines and create their own republic.

i will post some more later.

try to post positive scenarios Bigman

[Rajzh_niX]

http://i-site.ph/Focus/ConCom/Abueva...l-Republic.pdf

i've read this....it may sound promising and feasible but I still find it too ideal....before such change from unitary to federal is to happen, gi-deny na sad na sa mga tao esp our leaders.....like the previous CHA-CHAs and CON-CONs....

[Romeojin]

cont
7. in event of a natural disaster a state may not be able to handle the problem, and may ask for help from other state for aid but yet some state may decline to send aide cause they got problems of their own. the central government may not have enough funds as well or their response will be delayed like what happen to hurricane Katrina in the US.
8. corruption will increase or more funds and wages will be wasted because of increase numbers of politicians.
9. state will had to build their own power plants to satisfy their populace and may not incline to share with their neighboring state. who knows a state may approve to build a nuclear power plants.
10. National guard will be created more fund needed and also for their maintenance.
11. NBI will also be upgraded to handle interstate policies and jurisdiction. one state cannot apprehend criminal who cross from other state.

[Romeojin]

12. Rebellion against federal authority is a constant threat (this of course is counter-balanced with a strong federal military.) -another more reason to spend

just read nalang sa ning article


Federalism: Issues, Risks and Disadvantages1

Joseph Reylan Bustos Viray
Polytechnic University of the Philippines
Manila
Preliminary Remarks

The never-ending conflict in Mindanao; the growing rate of poverty in most regions; the continuing insurgencies in Central Luzon and some parts of the country; the systemic graft and corruption in government; the (forgivable) immaturity of the electorate; strident cry for cultural recognition; and the instability of political systems are just some of the troubles the country is beset and plagued with. With these mounting problems, federalism is viewed by many as the only hope for a country that is going a precipitous drop. Notwithstanding the numerous advantages and benefits of federalism as articulated by its advocates, federalism is not without any defect. I will present the other side of the coin. I will attempt to manifest some issues to resolve , risks to encounter in, and disadvantages of federalism/federal system.

Federalism: Issues, Risks and Disadvantages

[BIGMAN]

im not saying we gonna spend billions in drafting a new constitution. im talking about the necessary infrastructure necessary for federalism. I think its best we enumerate the positive and negative scenarios so people will have a clear idea the side effects of federalism.

Negative scenarios:
1. DILG, DENR, DA, DoH, and other department/agencies will be dissolve. every state will have to build infrastructure, maintain the agency and hire their own employees. this could amount to billion or even trillions of peso.
2. PNP will be dissolve and every state will maintain their own state police, poorer state will may have law and order problem.
3. each state will also build up and maintain their own SC, and more congressman will be needed alangan man 6 lang ka congressman mo debate/enact sa state law.
4. laws may vary from state to state. ARMM state may legalize death penalty and even stoning as capital punishment. this law variance will just lead to conflict either in regional, national and even international.
5. TAX will be raised definitely. state government would need more funding.
6. there is a chance a state will break away from the Philippines and create their own republic.

i will post some more later.

try to post positive scenarios Bigman

cont
7. in event of a natural disaster a state may not be able to handle the problem, and may ask for help from other state for aid but yet some state may decline to send aide cause they got problems of their own. the central government may not have enough funds as well or their response will be delayed like what happen to hurricane Katrina in the US.
8. corruption will increase or more funds and wages will be wasted because of increase numbers of politicians.
9. state will had to build their own power plants to satisfy their populace and may not incline to share with their neighboring state. who knows a state may approve to build a nuclear power plants.
10. National guard will be created more fund needed and also for their maintenance.
11. NBI will also be upgraded to handle interstate policies and jurisdiction. one state cannot apprehend criminal who cross from other state.

I've posted a lot of positive scenarios, maybe u miss to read them. Anyway, below are my rebatals of this post;

1. Those gov't. agencies will not be dissolved. They are just controlled by each state. At present, they are source of corruption because of more income there and fundings come from the National gov't. and very hard to trace. And their earnings go directly to the National government. When they will be controlled by each state, easier traceabilty is there. And more income for the state.
2. The present PNP will be distributed by each state and of course each will do the control. They can hire and train more qualified criminologist when there is a shortage of officer.
3. Having an own SC will expedite case proceedings. Unlike at present that cases will be solved for several years. We need more Congressman for better service to constituents and enact laws for the state.
4. I don't see anything wrong with laws variation between state. That's what they agreed. It's just a matter a a good debate. Conflict will be handled by the federal laws (to be drafted also).
5. Maybe taxes will be raised but we can always borrow money as long as it goes to the right project which are income generating (SRP for example). We just need leaders that has a vision for the state.
6. This would be addressed by the federal laws. This potential problem must be in the constitution including its possible settlements, sanction and whatsoever.
7. This is a selfishness issue and can always be handled by the President.
8. Corruption will be minimize because the funds are in the state only and easy to trace. Besides, the media will be more vigilant under the federal government. Politicians will be more accountable to the people/constituents.
9. I don't see any wrong with building a power plant. That is to address the power problem. Nuclear power is one of the best power source because it last longer. Are you afraid? We can always tap the expert services for that.
10. Funds would always be available because of the increasing progress under federalism. We can also ask the private sectors assistance.
11. Precisely, we need to enhance the NBI for their competent in handling their job. Coordination is the answer of this concern.

[BIGMAN]

12. Rebellion against federal authority is a constant threat (this of course is counter-balanced with a strong federal military.) -another more reason to spend

just read nalang sa ning article


Federalism: Issues, Risks and Disadvantages1

Joseph Reylan Bustos Viray
Polytechnic University of the Philippines
Manila
Preliminary Remarks

The never-ending conflict in Mindanao; the growing rate of poverty in most regions; the continuing insurgencies in Central Luzon and some parts of the country; the systemic graft and corruption in government; the (forgivable) immaturity of the electorate; strident cry for cultural recognition; and the instability of political systems are just some of the troubles the country is beset and plagued with. With these mounting problems, federalism is viewed by many as the only hope for a country that is going a precipitous drop. Notwithstanding the numerous advantages and benefits of federalism as articulated by its advocates, federalism is not without any defect. I will present the other side of the coin. I will attempt to manifest some issues to resolve , risks to encounter in, and disadvantages of federalism/federal system.

Federalism: Issues, Risks and Disadvantages

You only read the opinion of this author. Read other opinions too. And do not focus on the negative side. Try to read cebu federal inc., just google it.

[masakiton]

Here is an analogy for you masakiton. There is this very reckless driver. He's been to car accident for a several times. Now, here comes a very advanced car. An automatic braking system is installed that once you are about to bump a car. It automatically applies a brake. A GPS is installed that every time it sees a dead end, blind curve and whatsoever, it warns the driver to slow his speed. Just like the function of a seat belt, air bags and more. Now, does the reckless driver suddenly changed his character? Absolutely not. He's forced to go on with the car features. Gradually, he will become a good driver.

halos tanan naa mana sa eroplano ... maski naa na halos tanan nga features sa plane naa man gihapon accident due to pilot error.
example kai kadto cargo plane ug passenger plane ng na bangga sa mai atlantic bato.. nag warning na ang TCAS pero ila gi ignore... nag bangga gihapon

when theres s will theres a way
corrupt officials can have their techniques to steal and stay in power
good examples... mga radaza ug c gwen garcia

Federalism will only work if there is a very strong central government, which i believe we cannot have...

and oh.. how does it differ from our present government? if we are still going to have the same politicians running the situation..