5 US Marines raped Pinay. US flexes might over RP...

[tolstoi]

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The only real issue is whether those American soldiers forced her to have *** against her will.

if indeed....

Prostitute - forced to have *** against her will

else...

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

I'm not judging the American soldiers... I just think it's unfair to speculate that the woman was probably a "prostitute" and "out for money" since Filipinos are "opportunists" and "MOST people mu grab na all the opportunities mapa bad or good ...survival na giapas sa mga tao karon".

Â* The " prostitute " and " out for money " are yes mere speculations whom we all know have a big chance of being a fact basing on the involved characters . The sad thing is , the latter is TRUE .

Why don't people investigate first if the woman is really a prostitute before saying she probably is one? Then they say that we shouldn't assume that the Americans are guilty but should investigate first? Isn't that another double-standard?

No it is not double standard because first things first , a VFA existed so most likely HIKAYON gyud na ang kaso otherwise naay maayo na abogado ang kano who just wants JUSTICE . Naa ang weight sa kano ang wala sa victim because ang kano , bisita lang and secondly , capable financially sa mga oportunista to shut up their needs theoritcally .

No wonder rape is an underreported crime... na-rape na ka (by 6 American soldiers at that), then people who don't even know the circumstances make assumptions pa na you're a prostitute and an opportunist out to extort money. Sigh.

Â* How about you ? Arent you assuming na GUILTY na ang 6 ka kano ?

So ok ra to speculate that the girl is a prostitute and just out for money, without investigating first, because according to you "MOST people mu grab na all the opportunities mapa bad or good ...survival na giapas sa mga tao karon"? In that case, why can't we speculate that the Americans did rape her (I'm not speculating that they did, I'm just asking a question).

Â* if you took time to read all my replies specific to ur post , then u should have encountered the government getting involved . Win win situation sa " victim " and the politicians who are against the " presence of the US Armed Forces " .

Even if she voluntarily got in the van, does that mean she wasn't raped? Why bring that up? In fact, why bring up "survival" and "hard times" and all that? Why bring up the issue of her being a prostitute (and for the record, according to SBMA officials, she was not). Those are non-issues. The only real issue is whether those American soldiers forced her to have *** against her will.

LOLZ .... the only time who are being rape is if u are not willing to have *** . So mo saka gyud na ang factor na nature of her job ( burikat ) , survival ( mamurikat ba gud ka if ur well off ) , hard times ( oppurtunity knocks once in ur lifetime ) etc but I am not saying she is ... factors lang na that needs to be investigated also . Who are you to say also that those are non- issues and why believed that what SBMA said was true , SBMA ba ka ?


@ DARKWING .... I am not saying she is a hooker but how did you know also na di siya hooker ? You knew her in person or someone said she is not ? Nobody argued that RAPE is not a serious crime , sama sa sulti ni CHELEE , kung mahimo death ang sentensya then so be it ... PROVE it first .


Bisan ang 6 ka kano pa ang mopa MEDICO LEGAL with FILIPINO DOCTORS aron walay mapya.

BTW ....@ SNMP.. pity urself , I dont need it from anyone else . Like I said , I have a life a lot of people can only dream of even though thats how u interpret my way of thinking . LOLZ !

[bfg9000]

The " prostitute " and " out for money " are yes mere speculations whom we all know have a big chance of being a fact basing on the involved characters . The sad thing is , the latter is TRUE .

Really? Maybe you're surrounded by prostitutes and opportunists where you are, but where I live most Filipinos aren't "opportunists" and "out for money". You really think Filipinas will jump at the chance to be sexually assaulted by six American men just to make a quick buck? Wow!

Why don't people investigate first if the woman is really a prostitute before saying she probably is one? Then they say that we shouldn't assume that the Americans are guilty but should investigate first? Isn't that another double-standard?

No it is not double standard because first things first , a VFA existed so most likely HIKAYON gyud na ang kaso otherwise naay maayo na abogado ang kano who just wants JUSTICE . Naa ang weight sa kano ang wala sa victim because ang kano , bisita lang and secondly , capable financially sa mga oportunista to shut up their needs theoritcally .

Please explain further, your reply doesn't make any sense to me in light of my post. What I'm asking is why people like you assume she's a hooker because "most Filipinos are opportunists" (your words, not mine) but don't want people to assume that the Americans are guilty?

I'm sure you think it's more likely that she was a prostitute and only out to make money from the gringos, than that the Americans sexually assaulted a hapless Filipina trapped inside their vehicle. Right?

How about you ? Arent you assuming na GUILTY na ang 6 ka kano ?

I'm not assuming anything. All I'm saying is, how would you feel if you were raped by 6 men and people like you who have no idea of what happened started speculating that you're a prostitute and out for money, because they believe most Filipinos are "opportunists"?

So ok ra to speculate that the girl is a prostitute and just out for money, without investigating first, because according to you "MOST people mu grab na all the opportunities mapa bad or good ...survival na giapas sa mga tao karon"? In that case, why can't we speculate that the Americans did rape her (I'm not speculating that they did, I'm just asking a question).

if you took time to read all my replies specific to ur post , then u should have encountered the government getting involved . Win win situation sa " victim " and the politicians who are against the " presence of the US Armed Forces " .

Again your answer is neither here nor there. The question is "why is it ok to assume that a rape victim is a prostitute and out to make money, just because you think most Filipinos are opportunists"?

LOLZ .... the only time who are being rape is if u are not willing to have *** . So mo saka gyud na ang factor na nature of her job ( burikat ) , survival ( mamurikat ba gud ka if ur well off ) , hard times ( oppurtunity knocks once in ur lifetime ) etc but I am not saying she is ... factors lang na that needs to be investigated also . Who are you to say also that those are non- issues and why believed that what SBMA said was true , SBMA ba ka ?

The law on rape does NOT distinguish between women who are Presidents or Prostitutes. All women (yes, including prostitutes) are entitled to government protection from rape. It does not state that being forced to have *** isn't rape if you're poor and need money. As long as you were not willing to have *** and were forced to do it, that's rape. So whether or not she's a prostitute, poor, rich, having hard times, etc. are all IRRELEVANT. The real issue here is whether or not she was in fact raped.

The SBMA people are government officials in charge of that area, I believe they have better resources for investigating if the woman was really a prostitute. Why shouldn't I believe them? And what does my being an SBMA or not have to do with it? So you'd only believe Malacañang if you were also from Malacañang yourself?

I have a life a lot of people can only dream of

Surrounded by prostitutes and opportunists?

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For those people who still don't believe the SBMA officials who said the girl wasn't a prostitute:

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/storypage.aspx?StoryID=21357

Makati Rep. Teodoro Locsin Jr. on Monday said the 22-year-old woman who complained of being raped by six US servicemen came from a decent family and not a *** worker as reported.

"If anybody says that this girl is not of the highest moral character, they will be so ashamed," Locsin said in a DZMM interview Monday afternoon.

[darkwing]

for the last time, prostitute or not, rape is still rape, and she is not a prosti, based on the news, also on the inquirer.net site..

[Spec-V]

Lisud kaayo ning sitwasyona kay ni kuyog siya sa Van by herself wa siyay kuyog lain, kung tinoud this invloves Heavy intoxication of drugs (X'tasy) mix with alcohol, possible ang babaye nawagtangan ug inhibitions & pwede mahimong "Date Rape" in which lisud i-prove.Â* Kung na-ay struggle & nag pakita nga ni refuse ang babaye, ang laki dili maka achieve ug erection.Â* Â*

Ngano pud ni kuyog siya rang usa?Â* Kay tungod puti, blue eyes atbp?Â* tsk..tsk.Â* Hayyy...ari pa siya true blooded pinoy pang-gaon dyud siya.Â* "Once you go Brown, you'll never go around."

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

Really? Maybe you're surrounded by prostitutes and opportunists where you are, but where I live most Filipinos aren't "opportunists" and "out for money". You really think Filipinas will jump at the chance to be sexually assaulted by six American men just to make a quick buck? Wow!

You always say u dont ASSUME but you just did for the NTH time . They dont have to be LITERALLY with you nor u know them in person for them to be OPPORTUNIST and OUT FOR MONEY . Like I said , open your eyes and observe ilabi na sa sitwasyon karon sa Pilipinas and to the previous decades of life in the Philippines .

Please explain further, your reply doesn't make any sense to me in light of my post. What I'm asking is why people like you assume she's a hooker because "most Filipinos are opportunists" (your words, not mine) but don't want people to assume that the Americans are guilty?

In reference to ur contricted analysis because of being CLOSEMINDED , where did you find my reply stating that I ASSUMED she is a PROSTITUTE ? WHat I knew on my statements are CHANCES are SHE IS because of the factors that was present . Mo tuo ba lage ka gikan gyud to siya sa Zamboanga ? Mo tuo ba lage ka na she came from a well off family ? Mo tuo ba lage ka na kuyog ra siya sa ig-agaw niya na uyab sa usa sa kano ? Otherwise kung mo tuo ka ikaw ang explain further and pls dont make the reports as your sources .

I'm sure you think it's more likely that she was a prostitute and only out to make money from the gringos, than that the Americans sexually assaulted a hapless Filipina trapped inside their vehicle. Right?

WRONG . You assumed again ... abi nako you are pinpointing me as accusing her of being a PROSTITUTE and what happened to her if ever was true kay its her fault ? CHances are .... like I said open ur eyes and observed basing from the factors . I never did took sides , what my stand was be open minded and not just because PINAY ang alleged victim , shot dayon mo sa taro^ . I-N-V-E-S-T-I-G-A-T-E .... I think I already spelled that correctly .

I'm not assuming anything. All I'm saying is, how would you feel if you were raped by 6 men and people like you who have no idea of what happened started speculating that you're a prostitute and out for money, because they believe most Filipinos are "opportunists"?

Wala pa gani PROOF na na rape siya .... I think ikaw ang ni assume and ni speculate . Trust me .. its gonna be a rough ride to the TRUTH and what really happened . Like I said , kung guilty ang 6 then let them suffer kung mahimo death penalty , if they are not guilty , mo ingon lang ang babay ug SORRY ? Ang government ug SORRY ? Ang activist and politicans who got involved SORRY ? It wont happened again JOE !

So ok ra to speculate that the girl is a prostitute and just out for money, without investigating first, because according to you "MOST people mu grab na all the opportunities mapa bad or good ...survival na giapas sa mga tao karon"? In that case, why can't we speculate that the Americans did rape her (I'm not speculating that they did, I'm just asking a question).

You already did since the start of ur postings regarding the topic of RAPE . Ayaw na lage pa goryo goryo na ang mga PINOY karon in the Philippines wala mag survival and just waiting for ther right time and right place mo grab sa OPPORTUNITY . You know that ... you just refuse to admit it .

Again your answer is neither here nor there. The question is "why is it ok to assume that a rape victim is a prostitute and out to make money, just because you think most Filipinos are opportunists"?

Ayaw ko tuyoka ... what I relayed were FACTOTS that could solve the PUZZLING dilemma . Ug ang na ACCUSED ba lage LOCALS .. do you think ma topic pa kaha ni diri man lang sa iSTORYA.net ? Not even in the tabloids cguro ... a report lang in 1 day then inig ugma makalimtan na just like the 3 year old girl in Cebu .

The law on rape does NOT distinguish between women who are Presidents or Prostitutes. All women (yes, including prostitutes) are entitled to government protection from rape. It does not state that being forced to have *** isn't rape if you're poor and need money. As long as you were not willing to have *** and were forced to do it, that's rape. So whether or not she's a prostitute, poor, rich, having hard times, etc. are all IRRELEVANT. The real issue here is whether or not she was in fact raped.

Daghan ra kaau ka gi sulti ... like I said produce una ug P-R-O-O-F then prisuhon . Nobody argued you sa RAPE LAWS etc and who are the people subjected to it .

The SBMA people are government officials in charge of that area, I believe they have better resources for investigating if the woman was really a prostitute. Why shouldn't I believe them? And what does my being an SBMA or not have to do with it? So you'd only believe Malacañang if you were also from Malacañang yourself?

To make the story short .... you were firmly stating your opinions as strong as the carbines of the 6 Marines but you are basing ur information from the SBMA . Ayaw i kumpara ang Malacanang sa SBMA because kana siya maka ingon gyud ka na IRRELEVANT . I am not saying sayop sila , but it doesnt make them correct also to a point because " chances are " hidden agendas of politicans are involved .... why is aid that ? It wasnt the first time to happened in Philippine soil involving the US Armed Forces and the locals .

Surrounded by prostitutes and opportunists?

How did you know ? Damn bilib na gyud ko nimo .

For those people who still don't believe the SBMA officials who said the girl wasn't a prostitute:

Hehehe ... kontra gyud ka nako and di ni Locsin .... why man ? LOLZ !

[JoRed]

iets not be hypocrite naglisod na tanan tawo sa pilipinas , MOST people mu grab na all the opportunities mapa bad or good ...survival na giapas sa mga tao karon, naa pud posibility na its not rape.....

'day chellee,
Kung ikaw pa'y nahitaboan ani....mo GRAB ka sa tanang opportunities? nag-survival mode na diay ka?

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

SURVIVAL man gani ka naa ka sa Canada na wala kay kalisod unsay na feel sa mga taga Pilipinas na naglisod gyud .Aw hinuon copy and paste ra man ka sa NPA topic pod . BTW ... mo hulat pa diay ka ma rape aron mp GRAB ka sa OPPORTUNITY ? Tsk tsk tsk .... dili oi .... grab man gani sa OPPORTUNITY ang mga BILYONARYO nato .... kadto na ba mga ultimo ra .

[JoRed]

Â* Kung na-ay struggle & nag pakita nga ni refuse ang babaye, ang laki dili maka achieve ug erection. Â*

Â*Are you talking from experience 'bay Spec? You seem to know a lot on this "date rape" thingy. Do they teach this in the US military?

[JoRed]

SURVIVAL man gani ka naa ka sa Canada na wala kay kalisod unsay na feel sa mga taga Pilipinas na naglisod gyud .Aw hinuon copy and paste ra man ka sa NPA topic pod . BTW ... mo hulat pa diay ka ma rape aron mp GRAB ka sa OPPORTUNITY ? Tsk tsk tsk .... dili oi .... grab man gani sa OPPORTUNITY ang mga BILYONARYO nato .... kadto na ba mga ultimo ra .

'bay jhurdz,
Â* Â* Â* Â*Sayop na sad ka...Naa man ko sa eskina Opon ba...Nangangkat nalang intawon ug pwesto duol sa STK. Sakto ka 'dong jhurdz! Dili jud ko molalis nimo nga ang Pilipinas hagbaya 'rang galisod. Mao bitaw nga ni GRAB ka sa opportunity nga mag change sa imong citizenship. AmerKano na man ka karon, di ba? Matod pa nimo & I quote,"You have a life a lot of people can only dream..." Pagkakulba' nimo 'dong jhurdz uy! Living the American dream na man diay ka. Natuman na jud ang imong gipangandoy sukad pa sa imong pagkabata ngaÂ* ma- American G.I. ka. Unya proud kaayo ka nga mingkanta "O say Can you see? by the dawn's early light"...unya nanimbawot dayon ang imong mga balhibo ug mingtagak ang imong mga luha...and you shouted " Thank God,Â*I am an AmeriKan!"...lolz!Â* pasiaw lang ni JOE ha! gimme chokolet 'behÂ*lolz!