Matthew 16:18, Catholic Church

[P-Chan]

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I already forgot where i got this information but there was a time na wala gud christianity.. gi revive ra daw ni somebody..i forgot who na pud..

[baliguat]

ulahi na kaayo ang uban Christian sects/church para mu-ingon sila ang true church. ayha pa sila mu-ingon nga sila ang true church nga we are in the end times. We are in the end times so we must expect nga agressive na kaau si Satan to destroy the True Church through divisions. The Catholic Church stands firm from the beginning till the end. Even within the Catholic Church there are schisms tungod sa mga conflicts sa mga traditionalists ug mga modernists. Through trials... dira nimo makita ang True Church. The walls may crack and crumble but the foundation will remain strong.

Freemasonry and other sercret societies are some of the worst enemies of the Catholic Church even in some protestants. Ang number one enemy sa Freemasonry is the Catholic Church not the protestants. Ang mga mormons daw kay naay mga secret rituals nga mga pareha sa mga masons and their prophet Joseph Smith was a freemason and he was killed in a gunfight. Ingon pa si baliguat nga si Felix Manalo (INC) kay nagkuha ug idea sa mga mormons.

Thats true, Mormons or The Church of Christ was founded By Joseph Smith in USA on April 6, 1830 And INC of manalo was founded July 27, 1914, and registered as a Unipersonal corporation, under the Philippine Bureau of Commerce, with a trade mark!

The followers of Manalo are compelled to believe that he is the Angel Prophesied in Apocalypses: 7.2-3. But Manalo came from the U.S. and proclaiming himself as an angel and announced: "that Kingdom is perished by Apostacy!" In order to prove this copied theory from the THE MORMONS their publication called "PASUGO" tries to propagate the Holy Catholic Church is a wrong Church.

[tribu]

bai..bsag mubasa ka sa whole BIBLE..U will never see na word " CATHOLIC CHURCH"...GOD SAID NA " UPON THIS ROCK I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH..HE NEVER SAID NA " UPON THIS ROCK I WILL BUILD CATHOLIC CHURCH"....DBA


SO...READ THIS ONE..



C. THE CHURCH ESTABLISHED...
1. It is evident that the church was not established at the time
Jesus spoke...
a. He said "I WILL build My church..." - Mt 16:18
b. He told His disciples not to tell anyone that He was the
Christ (a fact certainly related to the establishment of
His church!) - Mt 16:20
2. The church is mentioned after Jesus' resurrection...
a. The Lord was adding people to the church - Ac 2:47
b. From that time forward, the church is spoken of as being in
existence
3. It is fair to conclude that the church began on the day of
Pentecost...
a. When the Spirit was poured out on the apostles - Ac 2:1-21
b. When Peter preached the first gospel sermon - Ac 2:22-40
c. When thousands were saved, and the Lord added them to His
church - Ac 2:41,47

D. THE CHURCH VISIBLE...
1. The church "universal" is a spiritual body of people
a. Known only by the Lord Himself - cf. Ac 2:47; 2Ti 2:19;
Jn 10:14
b. There is no earthly organization, headquarters, etc., for
the church universal
c. Any attempt to organize and activate the church "universal"
results only in denominationalism
2. The church "local" is the only visible sign of the church
a. Local churches are made up of Christians in geographical
areas who work and worship together as a unit - cf. Ac 8:1;
13:1; 14:21-23,27
b. With their frequent assembling, it is easy to identify a
local church - cf. 1Co 1:2; 11:17-18; 14:23

[The church Jesus built, then, is that great gathering of people who
respond to the gospel in faith and obedience (cf. Ac 2:41). Wherever
faithful disciples of Christ assemble to work and worship as a local
congregation, a church of Christ is found (cf. Ro 16:16). As we return
to our text, we next consider...]

II. THE FOUNDATION OF HIS CHURCH

A. MANY PASSAGES PROCLAIM JESUS AS THE "CORNERSTONE"...
1. As foretold by Isaiah - Isa 28:16
2. As proclaimed by Peter - Ac 4:11-12; 1Pe 2:6-8
3. As taught by Paul - 1Co 3:11; Ep 2:20

B. BUT IS JESUS THE "ROCK" IN MATTHEW 16:18?
1. Some believe the "rock" is Peter, as the first pope
a. This is the claim of the Roman catholic church
b. This idea was first raised only after various bishops began
claiming universal authority over the church, hundreds of
years after the church began
c. Even if Peter is the "rock" in this passage, there is no
Biblical basis for the idea that the church was built upon
Peter alone
2. Some think the "rock" may be Peter, but with scriptural
limitations
a. I.e., the church would be built upon Peter, but not solely
upon him
1) Jesus Christ is the cornerstone, the primary foundation
- cf. Ep 2:20; 1Pe 2:6
2) But one may also speak of the church built upon the
apostles (including Peter) as the church's foundation,
in a secondary sense - cf. Ep 2:20; Re 21:14
b. That Jesus may be referring to what we learn later to be
true, that upon Peter (along with the other apostles and
Christ Himself) Jesus would build His church
3. Jesus might be referring to the principle of divine revelation
working through His apostles, like Peter...
a. Jesus had just praised Peter for his confession, which was
the result of divine revelation - Mt 16:16-17
b. Jesus went on to say how Peter would possess the keys of
the kingdom and the power of binding and loosing, all
related to the work of the Holy Spirit in the lives of the
apostles - cf. Mt 16:19; Jn 16:12-13; 20:22-23
-- If so, then Jesus is making the point that His church,
while established through the work of men like Peter and
the apostles, would be built on a solid foundation since
they would be led by divine revelation
4. A strong possibility is that the "rock" is the confession
Peter just made...
a. I.e., the truth of the confession: "You are the Christ,
the Son of the Living God"
b. Just as Simon had been called "a rock" (Gr., petros), so
the church would be established on a solid "rock" (Gr.,
petra) or fact: that Jesus is "the Christ, the Son of the
Living God"!

[Whatever the "rock" in Mt 16:18, the church is built upon the strong
foundation of Christ Himself and His apostles (Ep 2:20). At this point,
let's skip ahead to what we learn about...]

III. THE AUTHORITY OF HIS CHURCH

A. AUTHORITY WAS PROMISED TO THE APOSTLES...
1. To Peter was promised "the keys of the kingdom" - Mt 16:19
a. The figure of "keys" suggest the ability to allow entrance
into the kingdom
b. Peter exercised this ability through preaching the gospel,
as he did on the day of Pentecost - Ac 2:17-41
2. To the apostles was promised the power "to bind" and "to
loose"
a. To Peter in this passage - Mt 16:19
b. To the rest of the disciples was promised similar power
- Mt 18:18
-- Of course, presumed in all this would be the guidance of
the Spirit, promised to lead the apostles into all the
truth - Jn 16:12-13

B. THE EARLY CHURCH RECOGNIZED THIS AUTHORITY...
1. They "continued steadfastly in the apostles' doctrine..."
- Ac 2:42
2. Christians were commended for their acceptance of the
apostles' doctrine - 1Co 11:2; 1Th 2:13
3. They were exhorted to receive the apostles' teaching - 1Co
14:37; 2Th 2:15

[The Lord's church today, then, is wherever there are souls who have
been saved and who continue to abide in the apostles' doctrine. For
those who remain faithful to the Lord and His apostles, they can look
forward to...]

IV. THE ULTIMATE VICTORY OF HIS CHURCH

A. THE "GATES OF HADES" WILL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST IT...
1. The phrase "gates of Hades" has been variously interpreted as:
a. The powers of death (i.e., death itself)
b. The forces of hell (whatever forces Satan might bring to
bear)
2. In either case, the "gates of Hades" have not prevailed!
a. Death did not prevent Jesus from building His church
b. The forces of Satan have not succeeded in destroying His
church

B. WE CAN SHARE IN THE ULTIMATE VICTORY OF HIS CHURCH...
1. By putting on the armor of God - Ep 6:10-13
2. By steadfastly resisting our adversary, the devil - 1Pe 5:
8-10
3. Nothing, not even death itself, can prevent us from being
"more than conquerors" - Ro 8:35-39
4. The glory of this ultimate victory is beautifully portrayed in
the visions of the Revelation - e.g., Re 7:9-17

CONCLUSION

1. Do we desire to participate in this glorious victory of Jesus'
church?
a. Then we must first be saved - Ac 2:38-41,47
b. We must also abide steadfastly in Jesus' doctrine, which is also
the apostles' doctrine - Jn 8:31; Ac 2:42; 1Th 2:13; 2Th 2:
13-15
c. We must remain faithful until death - Re 2:10

2. Through God's grace and our faithful obedience, we can be privileged
to be a part of that church...
a. Which Jesus built as promised
b. Which shall withstand whatever "the gates of Hades" might throw
against it

Don't you want to be a part of the church of Christ? May the words of
Jesus in Mt 16:18-19 encourage us to be satisfied with nothing less!

true biblical christianity is a hierarchy. a hierarchy whose authority is passed on to the next generation thru the laying of hands of the presbytery. it is a lie to say that there is no earthly organization, because a hierarchy is an established organization. the church of the first century was lead by the apostles whose leader was clearly peter as seen by the gospel story of peter being asked to care for the sheep and lamb of the church of jesus. and it is only to simon (now peter) that the keys were given.

isn't this passage clear enough that a hierarchy is firmly in place, even the apostles knew how important is the office that judas left vacant and so they want to let another take his place.

"For," said Peter, "it is written in the book of Psalms,
" 'May his place be deserted;
let there be no one to dwell in it,' and,
" 'May another take his place of leadership.'

Therefore it is necessary to choose one of the men who have been with us the whole time the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, beginning from John's baptism to the time when Jesus was taken up from us. For one of these must become a witness with us of his resurrection."

So they proposed two men: Joseph called Barsabbas (also known as Justus) and Matthias. Then they prayed, "Lord, you know everyone's heart. Show us which of these two you have chosen to take over this apostolic ministry, which Judas left to go where he belongs." Then they cast lots, and the lot fell to Matthias; so he was added to the eleven apostles. (Acts1:20--)

you can even read the letters to timothy and titus. it was clear that there was an earthly organization. even deacons were sent thru the laying of hands of the presbytery. thus, true biblical christianity would be dead if the last legitimately ordained bishop dies. and unless the christian pastors can trace their ordination back to the apostles themselves, anything they say are just bags of wind for they have no authority to speak for the true biblical christianity because true biblical christianity was/is/will be a hierarchy because that is what the present christian book had already fixed into place and anything that goes against it is heresy.

even moses had to lay his hand on the head of joshua... and jesus and his apostles are jewish thus they followed the same ritual.

the reason for this?!? well, jesus is said to be wiser than solomon. so, let's check if the jews have good reasons to establish a priesthood/teaching ministry with these rituals.

here's what the jewish scriptures says:

Moses said to the LORD, "May the LORD, the God of the spirits of all mankind, appoint a man over this community to go out and come in before them, one who will lead them out and bring them in, so the LORD's people will not be like sheep without a shepherd."

So the LORD said to Moses, "Take Joshua son of Nun, a man in whom is the spirit, and lay your hand on him. Have him stand before Eleazar the priest and the entire assembly and commission him in their presence. Give him some of your authority so the whole Israelite community will obey him. He is to stand before Eleazar the priest, who will obtain decisions for him by inquiring of the Urim before the LORD. At his command he and the entire community of the Israelites will go out, and at his command they will come in."

Moses did as the LORD commanded him. He took Joshua and had him stand before Eleazar the priest and the whole assembly. Then he laid his hands on him and commissioned him, as the LORD instructed through Moses. (Numbers 27:15--)

isn't that exactly how jesus had to established a hierarchy whose authority is handed down thru the aying of hands of the presbytery?

and the reason for that is this:

Have him stand before Eleazar the priest and the entire assembly and commission him in their presence. Give him some of your authority so the whole Israelite community will obey him.

so that there will be no doubt as to who they should obey.

isn't that the reason why jesus made it clear to the apostles that they had the power to lose and bind (like in the council of jerusalem) but only one of them holds the key?

it's probably to ensure that there would be no dispute. anyway, he is so confident that his church will not apostasize because he had so much faith in the holy spirit which he and his father will send his church.

[JX]

question.. sa mga Bible scholars.. correct me if im wrong, but the old testament was written mostly in Hebrew and some Aramaic, correct? Then the new testament was written in Greek.. History wise, any Bible iskolar here knows why?
familiar mo anang message relay pag boy scout sa una? hehehe..

[NASYO]

and no religion too..

living life in peace.. woooohoooo..

[cottonmouth]

The Difference Between Catholicism and Christianity

Question: What is the difference between Catholicism and Biblical Christianity?

Answer: Catholicism and Biblical Christianity are divergent religions. They are built on different foundations, and they propose different ways of salvation.

In principle, Christianity is built solely on the Holy Scriptures, the written Word of God. The Bible is our only infallible rule of faith, being sufficient to give us the sure knowledge of the Gospel for our salvation and holiness.

Roman Catholicism demands submission of the intellect and will to the doctrines taught by the Roman magisterium (the Pope and bishops). It is claimed that the Catholic Church derives its doctrines from the "sacred deposit" found in Scriptures and Sacred Tradition. However the faithful cannot verify these doctrines by referring to the original sources. The Scriptures are inaccessible because only the magisterium is able to establish the authentic meaning. Similarly the contents of Sacred Tradition can only be known through the magisterium. Roman Catholicism is mental and spiritual slavery to the Vatican.

As expected, since the foundations are different, so also are the edifices built upon them. Christianity stands on the Gospel of God's sovereign grace. In love, God predestines His chosen ones to be adopted as sons through Jesus Christ, their sole mediator. The Son became man and gave His life as a ransom to secure their freedom from sin. Being dead in sin, they are completely unable to convert ourselves or merit God's favour. Therefore God graciously grants His people repentance and faith to turn to Him and trust in Christ Jesus for salvation. Believers are accepted in Christ, solely on the merit of His righteousness and blood, and not because of any goodness or human merit. God also resides in His people by the Holy Spirit, enabling them to obey and glorify the Father, and to guarantee their inheritance in heaven forever.

Rome's "gospel" is not good news at all. The Roman institution, calling itself "The Church", usurps Christ's mediatorial office, proclaiming herself as the "sacrament of salvation." The "Church" dispenses salvation to her faithful in small portions, starting at baptism and continuing throughout life. Forgiveness can only be obtained through the sacrament of penance. The benefits of Christ's sacrifice are accessible through the sacrifice of the Mass. Instead of teaching the faithful to rest in Christ by faith, Catholics are taught to perform religious works to "merit grace" and to do penance to make satisfaction. Even after death, Catholics remains dependent on the "Church" to relieve their suffering in Purgatory by masses and indulgences.

The Roman Catholic Church is a mighty obstacle to anyone seeking salvation, enslaving millions of people to a religious system and preventing them from coming directly to Christ.

The choice is between the Bible and the Roman magisterium; the choice is between salvation by grace through faith in Christ, or through human merit and effort in the Roman religion.


IF your a catholic then you are not a Christian. END.

[dartzed]

and therefore in short term Catholics are anti-christ... ahahahahahaha

any reactions mga fellow RCs?...

hmmmmmmmmmmm

[2tdruid]

The Difference Between Catholicism and Christianity

Question: What is the difference between Catholicism and Biblical Christianity?

Answer: Catholicism and Biblical Christianity are divergent religions. They are built on different foundations, and they propose different ways of salvation.

In principle, Christianity is built solely on the Holy Scriptures, the written Word of God. The Bible is our only infallible rule of faith, being sufficient to give us the sure knowledge of the Gospel for our salvation and holiness.

Roman Catholicism demands submission of the intellect and will to the doctrines taught by the Roman magisterium (the Pope and bishops). It is claimed that the Catholic Church derives its doctrines from the "sacred deposit" found in Scriptures and Sacred Tradition. However the faithful cannot verify these doctrines by referring to the original sources. The Scriptures are inaccessible because only the magisterium is able to establish the authentic meaning. Similarly the contents of Sacred Tradition can only be known through the magisterium. Roman Catholicism is mental and spiritual slavery to the Vatican.

As expected, since the foundations are different, so also are the edifices built upon them. Christianity stands on the Gospel of God's sovereign grace. In love, God predestines His chosen ones to be adopted as sons through Jesus Christ, their sole mediator. The Son became man and gave His life as a ransom to secure their freedom from sin. Being dead in sin, they are completely unable to convert ourselves or merit God's favour. Therefore God graciously grants His people repentance and faith to turn to Him and trust in Christ Jesus for salvation. Believers are accepted in Christ, solely on the merit of His righteousness and blood, and not because of any goodness or human merit. God also resides in His people by the Holy Spirit, enabling them to obey and glorify the Father, and to guarantee their inheritance in heaven forever.

Rome's "gospel" is not good news at all. The Roman institution, calling itself "The Church", usurps Christ's mediatorial office, proclaiming herself as the "sacrament of salvation." The "Church" dispenses salvation to her faithful in small portions, starting at baptism and continuing throughout life. Forgiveness can only be obtained through the sacrament of penance. The benefits of Christ's sacrifice are accessible through the sacrifice of the Mass. Instead of teaching the faithful to rest in Christ by faith, Catholics are taught to perform religious works to "merit grace" and to do penance to make satisfaction. Even after death, Catholics remains dependent on the "Church" to relieve their suffering in Purgatory by masses and indulgences.

The Roman Catholic Church is a mighty obstacle to anyone seeking salvation, enslaving millions of people to a religious system and preventing them from coming directly to Christ.

The choice is between the Bible and the Roman magisterium; the choice is between salvation by grace through faith in Christ, or through human merit and effort in the Roman religion.


IF your a catholic then you are not a Christian. END.

Christianity is a religion that is founded on hate for the catholic church. I don't think a religion that is founded on hate is guided by the holy spirit. Even on criticism on the catholic church, you can easily feel hate in their words... hate belongs to satan.

[cottonmouth]

Christianity is a religion that is founded on hate for the catholic church. I don't think a religion that is founded on hate is guided by the holy spirit. Even on criticism on the catholic church, you can easily feel hate in their words... hate belongs to satan.

Founded in hate? Pag-tsyur oi ayaw pataka ug tabi kun di ka aware sa history. Kapoy na ug explain kay hasta taasa. So para sad sa imo kaayohan i-review lang balik imo history. Read from neutral source and do not depend sa isulti sa imo pari or catholic school para di ka bias.

Unya balik diri.

[Hellblazer 2.1]

the catholic church was founded by the teachings of Saul of Tarsus a.k.a. St.Paul. it is quite different from the Christianity as taught by Jesus the Christ and as continued by his brother, James the Just.