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    Quote Originally Posted by rcruman View Post
    My question to you, what is being used in Matthew 16:18? is it KEPHAS or PETRA?
    kana lang sa.

    Peace!
    mga non-catholic scholars are mutubag nimo:

    dia ang ilang tubag:

    These Protestant biblical scholars explain clearly why the anti-Catholic misinterpretation of Matthew 16:18 is simply wrong.

    All of the following quotations are from Protestant biblical scholars.

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    William Hendriksen
    member of the Reformed Christian Church
    Professor of New Testament Literature at Calvin Seminary


    The meaning is, "You are Peter, that is Rock, and upon this rock, that is, on you, Peter I will build my church." Our Lord, speaking Aramaic, probably said, "And I say to you, you are Kepha, and on this kepha I will build my church." Jesus, then, is promising Peter that he is going to build his church on him! I accept this view.

    New Testament Commentary: Exposition of the Gospel According to Matthew
    (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker, 1973), page 647
    JPK page 14

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    Gerhard Maier
    leading conservative evangelical Lutheran theologian

    Nowadays a broad consensus has emerged which — in accordance with the words of the text — applies the promise to Peter as a person. On this point liberal (H. J. Holtzmann, E. Schweiger) and conservative (Cullmann, Flew) theologians agree, as well as representatives of Roman Catholic exegesis.

    "The Church in the Gospel of Matthew: Hermeneutical Analysis of the Current Debate"
    Biblical Interpretation and Church Text and Context
    (Flemington Markets, NSW: Paternoster Press, 1984), page 58
    JPK pages 16-17

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    Donald A. Carson III
    Baptist and Professor of New Testament at Trinity Evangelical Seminary
    (two quotations from different works)

    Although it is true that petros and petra can mean "stone" and "rock" respectively in earlier Greek, the distinction is largely confined to poetry. Moreover the underlying Aramaic is in this case unquestionable; and most probably kepha was used in both clauses ("you are kepha" and "on this kepha"), since the word was used both for a name and for a "rock". The Peshitta (written in Syriac, a language cognate with Aramaic) makes no distinction between the words in the two clauses. The Greek makes the distinction between petros and petra simply because it is trying to preserve the pun, and in Greek the feminine petra could not very well serve as a masculine name.

    The Expositor's Bible Commentary: Volume 8 (Matthew, Mark, Luke)
    (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 1984), page 368
    JPK pages 17-18

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    The word Peter petros, meaning "rock" (Gk 4377), is masculine, and in Jesus' follow-up statement he uses the feminine word petra (Gk 4376). On the basis of this change, many have attempted to avoid identifying Peter as the rock on which Jesus builds his church. Yet if it were not for Protestant reactions against extremes of Roman Catholic interpretations, it is doubtful whether many would have taken "rock" to be anything or anyone other than Peter.

    Zondervan NIV Bible Commentary — New Testament, vol. 2
    (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 1994), page 78
    JPK page 18

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    John Peter Lange
    German Protestant scholar

    The Saviour, no doubt, used in both clauses the Aramaic word kepha (hence the Greek Kephas applied to Simon, John i.42; comp. 1 Cor. i.12; iii.22; ix.5; Gal. ii.9), which means rock and is used both as a proper and a common noun.... The proper translation then would be: "Thou art Rock, and upon this rock", etc.

    Lange's Commentary on the Holy Scriptures: The Gospel According to Matthew, vol. 8
    (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 1976), page 293
    JPK page 19

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    John A. Broadus
    Baptist author
    (two quotations from the same work)

    Many insist on the distinction between the two Greek words, thou art Petros and on this petra, holding that if the rock had meant Peter, either petros or petra would have been used both times, and that petros signifies a separate stone or fragment broken off, while petra is the massive rock. But this distinction is almost entirely confined to poetry, the common prose word instead of petros being lithos; nor is the distinction uniformly observed.

    But the main answer here is that our Lord undoubtedly spoke Aramaic, which has no known means of making such a distinction [between feminine petra and masculine petros in Greek]. The Peshitta (Western Aramaic) renders, "Thou are kipho, and on this kipho". The Eastern Aramaic, spoken in Palestine in the time of Christ, must necessarily have said in like manner, "Thou are kepha, and on this kepha".... Beza called attention to the fact that it is so likewise in French: "Thou art Pierre, and on this pierre"; and Nicholson suggests that we could say, "Thou art Piers (old English for Peter), and on this pier."

    Commentary on the Gospel of Matthew
    (Valley Forge, PA: Judson Press, 1886), pages 355-356
    JPK page 20

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    J. Knox Chamblin
    Presbyterian and New Testament Professor
    Reformed Theological Seminary

    By the words "this rock" Jesus means not himself, nor his teaching, nor God the Father, nor Peter's confession, but Peter himself. The phrase is immediately preceded by a direct and emphatic reference to Peter. As Jesus identifies himself as the Builder, the rock on which he builds is most naturally understood as someone (or something) other than Jesus himself. The demonstrative this, whether denoting what is physically close to Jesus or what is literally close in Matthew, more naturally refers to Peter (v. 1 than to the more remote confession (v. 16). The link between the clauses of verse 18 is made yet stronger by the play on words, "You are Peter (Gk. Petros), and on this rock (Gk. petra) I will build my church". As an apostle, Peter utters the confession of verse 16; as a confessor he receives the designation this rock from Jesus.

    "Matthew"
    Evangelical Commentary on the Bible
    (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker, 1989), page 742
    JPK page 30

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    Craig L. Blomberg
    Baptist and Professor of New Testament
    Denver Seminary

    Acknowledging Jesus as The Christ illustrates the appropriateness of Simon's nickname "Peter" (Petros = rock). This is not the first time Simon has been called Peter (cf. John 1:42), but it is certainly the most famous. Jesus' declaration, "You are Peter", parallels Peter's confession, "You are the Christ", as if to say, "Since you can tell me who I am, I will tell you who you are." The expression "this rock" almost certainly refers to Peter, following immediately after his name, just as the words following "the Christ" in v. 16 applied to Jesus. The play on words in the Greek between Peter's name (Petros) and the word "rock" (petra) makes sense only if Peter is the rock and if Jesus is about to explain the significance of this identification.

    The New American Commentary: Matthew, vol. 22
    (Nashville: Broadman, 1992), pages 251-252
    JPK pages 31-32

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    David Hill
    Presbyterian minister and Senior Lecturer in the Department of Biblical Studies
    University of Sheffield, England

    On this rock I will build my church: the word-play goes back to Aramaic tradition. It is on Peter himself, the confessor of his Messiahship, that Jesus will build the Church. The disciple becomes, as it were, the foundation stone of the community. Attempts to interpret the "rock" as something other than Peter in person (e.g., his faith, the truth revealed to him) are due to Protestant bias, and introduce to the statement a degree of subtlety which is highly unlikely.

    "The Gospel of Matthew"
    The New Century Bible Commentary
    (London: Marshall, Morgan & Scott, 1972), page 261
    JPK page 34

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    Suzanne de Dietrich
    Presbyterian theologian

    The play on words in verse 18 indicates the Aramaic origin of the passage. The new name contains a promise. "Simon", the fluctuating, impulsive disciple, will, by the grace of God, be the "rock" on which God will build the new community.

    The Layman's Bible Commentary: Matthew, vol. 16
    (Atlanta: John Knox Press, 1961), page 93
    JPK page 34

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    Donald A. Hagner
    Fuller Theological Seminary

    The natural reading of the passage, despite the necessary shift from Petros to petra required by the word play in the Greek (but not the Aramaic, where the same word kepha occurs in both places), is that it is Peter who is the rock upon which the church is to be built.... The frequent attempts that have been made, largely in the past, to deny this in favor of the view that the confession itself is the rock... seem to be largely motivated by Protestant prejudice against a passage that is used by the Roman Catholics to justify the papacy.

    Matthew 14-28
    Word Biblical Commentary, vol. 33b
    (Dallas: Word Books, 1995), page 470
    JPK pages 36-37

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    All of the preceding quotations are from Protestant biblical scholars.


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    sige rcruman, ingna ko nganong sayop sila na mga biblical scholar gud nang mga tawhana ug dili pa gyud katoliko kay basin makaingon ka bias lang. tanawa nalang kung asa sila gikan.

    dia ilang qualification ug ikumpara sa qualification nimo ug sa imong pastor.

    William Hendriksen
    member of the Reformed Christian Church
    Professor of New Testament Literature at Calvin Seminary

    Gerhard Maier
    leading conservative evangelical Lutheran theologian

    Donald A. Carson III
    Baptist and Professor of New Testament at Trinity Evangelical Seminary

    John Peter Lange
    German Protestant scholar

    J. Knox Chamblin
    Presbyterian and New Testament Professor
    Reformed Theological Seminary

    Craig L. Blomberg
    Baptist and Professor of New Testament
    Denver Seminary

    David Hill
    Presbyterian minister and Senior Lecturer in the Department of Biblical Studies
    University of Sheffield, England

    Suzanne de Dietrich
    Presbyterian theologian

    Donald A. Hagner
    Fuller Theological Seminary

  2. #272
    ahahaha mga maaung laki jud...

    weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

  3. #273
    akoy na uwaw ni rcruman.

  4. #274
    Matay! tribu, nagka lalis baya pud tas pikas Thread.... pero kini na post bilib jud ko nimo ug salamat niana.

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  6. #276
    Quote Originally Posted by NASYO View Post
    Si Jesus diay mismo nagpatukod sa katoliko..

    Nganong magbuhat pa man jud ug laing relihiyon?

    Nasayop ba si Kristo sa pagpatukod ug simbahan?

    Unsa pa man gipangita sa ubang relihiyon?
    bai..bsag mubasa ka sa whole BIBLE..U will never see na word " CATHOLIC CHURCH"...GOD SAID NA " UPON THIS ROCK I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH..HE NEVER SAID NA " UPON THIS ROCK I WILL BUILD CATHOLIC CHURCH"....DBA


    SO...READ THIS ONE..



    C. THE CHURCH ESTABLISHED...
    1. It is evident that the church was not established at the time
    Jesus spoke...
    a. He said "I WILL build My church..." - Mt 16:18
    b. He told His disciples not to tell anyone that He was the
    Christ (a fact certainly related to the establishment of
    His church!) - Mt 16:20
    2. The church is mentioned after Jesus' resurrection...
    a. The Lord was adding people to the church - Ac 2:47
    b. From that time forward, the church is spoken of as being in
    existence
    3. It is fair to conclude that the church began on the day of
    Pentecost...
    a. When the Spirit was poured out on the apostles - Ac 2:1-21
    b. When Peter preached the first gospel sermon - Ac 2:22-40
    c. When thousands were saved, and the Lord added them to His
    church - Ac 2:41,47

    D. THE CHURCH VISIBLE...
    1. The church "universal" is a spiritual body of people
    a. Known only by the Lord Himself - cf. Ac 2:47; 2Ti 2:19;
    Jn 10:14
    b. There is no earthly organization, headquarters, etc., for
    the church universal
    c. Any attempt to organize and activate the church "universal"
    results only in denominationalism
    2. The church "local" is the only visible sign of the church
    a. Local churches are made up of Christians in geographical
    areas who work and worship together as a unit - cf. Ac 8:1;
    13:1; 14:21-23,27
    b. With their frequent assembling, it is easy to identify a
    local church - cf. 1Co 1:2; 11:17-18; 14:23

    [The church Jesus built, then, is that great gathering of people who
    respond to the gospel in faith and obedience (cf. Ac 2:41). Wherever
    faithful disciples of Christ assemble to work and worship as a local
    congregation, a church of Christ is found (cf. Ro 16:16). As we return
    to our text, we next consider...]

    II. THE FOUNDATION OF HIS CHURCH

    A. MANY PASSAGES PROCLAIM JESUS AS THE "CORNERSTONE"...
    1. As foretold by Isaiah - Isa 28:16
    2. As proclaimed by Peter - Ac 4:11-12; 1Pe 2:6-8
    3. As taught by Paul - 1Co 3:11; Ep 2:20

    B. BUT IS JESUS THE "ROCK" IN MATTHEW 16:18?
    1. Some believe the "rock" is Peter, as the first pope
    a. This is the claim of the Roman catholic church
    b. This idea was first raised only after various bishops began
    claiming universal authority over the church, hundreds of
    years after the church began
    c. Even if Peter is the "rock" in this passage, there is no
    Biblical basis for the idea that the church was built upon
    Peter alone
    2. Some think the "rock" may be Peter, but with scriptural
    limitations
    a. I.e., the church would be built upon Peter, but not solely
    upon him
    1) Jesus Christ is the cornerstone, the primary foundation
    - cf. Ep 2:20; 1Pe 2:6
    2) But one may also speak of the church built upon the
    apostles (including Peter) as the church's foundation,
    in a secondary sense - cf. Ep 2:20; Re 21:14
    b. That Jesus may be referring to what we learn later to be
    true, that upon Peter (along with the other apostles and
    Christ Himself) Jesus would build His church
    3. Jesus might be referring to the principle of divine revelation
    working through His apostles, like Peter...
    a. Jesus had just praised Peter for his confession, which was
    the result of divine revelation - Mt 16:16-17
    b. Jesus went on to say how Peter would possess the keys of
    the kingdom and the power of binding and loosing, all
    related to the work of the Holy Spirit in the lives of the
    apostles - cf. Mt 16:19; Jn 16:12-13; 20:22-23
    -- If so, then Jesus is making the point that His church,
    while established through the work of men like Peter and
    the apostles, would be built on a solid foundation since
    they would be led by divine revelation
    4. A strong possibility is that the "rock" is the confession
    Peter just made...
    a. I.e., the truth of the confession: "You are the Christ,
    the Son of the Living God"
    b. Just as Simon had been called "a rock" (Gr., petros), so
    the church would be established on a solid "rock" (Gr.,
    petra) or fact: that Jesus is "the Christ, the Son of the
    Living God"!

    [Whatever the "rock" in Mt 16:18, the church is built upon the strong
    foundation of Christ Himself and His apostles (Ep 2:20). At this point,
    let's skip ahead to what we learn about...]

    III. THE AUTHORITY OF HIS CHURCH

    A. AUTHORITY WAS PROMISED TO THE APOSTLES...
    1. To Peter was promised "the keys of the kingdom" - Mt 16:19
    a. The figure of "keys" suggest the ability to allow entrance
    into the kingdom
    b. Peter exercised this ability through preaching the gospel,
    as he did on the day of Pentecost - Ac 2:17-41
    2. To the apostles was promised the power "to bind" and "to
    loose"
    a. To Peter in this passage - Mt 16:19
    b. To the rest of the disciples was promised similar power
    - Mt 18:18
    -- Of course, presumed in all this would be the guidance of
    the Spirit, promised to lead the apostles into all the
    truth - Jn 16:12-13

    B. THE EARLY CHURCH RECOGNIZED THIS AUTHORITY...
    1. They "continued steadfastly in the apostles' doctrine..."
    - Ac 2:42
    2. Christians were commended for their acceptance of the
    apostles' doctrine - 1Co 11:2; 1Th 2:13
    3. They were exhorted to receive the apostles' teaching - 1Co
    14:37; 2Th 2:15

    [The Lord's church today, then, is wherever there are souls who have
    been saved and who continue to abide in the apostles' doctrine. For
    those who remain faithful to the Lord and His apostles, they can look
    forward to...]

    IV. THE ULTIMATE VICTORY OF HIS CHURCH

    A. THE "GATES OF HADES" WILL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST IT...
    1. The phrase "gates of Hades" has been variously interpreted as:
    a. The powers of death (i.e., death itself)
    b. The forces of hell (whatever forces Satan might bring to
    bear)
    2. In either case, the "gates of Hades" have not prevailed!
    a. Death did not prevent Jesus from building His church
    b. The forces of Satan have not succeeded in destroying His
    church

    B. WE CAN SHARE IN THE ULTIMATE VICTORY OF HIS CHURCH...
    1. By putting on the armor of God - Ep 6:10-13
    2. By steadfastly resisting our adversary, the devil - 1Pe 5:
    8-10
    3. Nothing, not even death itself, can prevent us from being
    "more than conquerors" - Ro 8:35-39
    4. The glory of this ultimate victory is beautifully portrayed in
    the visions of the Revelation - e.g., Re 7:9-17

    CONCLUSION

    1. Do we desire to participate in this glorious victory of Jesus'
    church?
    a. Then we must first be saved - Ac 2:38-41,47
    b. We must also abide steadfastly in Jesus' doctrine, which is also
    the apostles' doctrine - Jn 8:31; Ac 2:42; 1Th 2:13; 2Th 2:
    13-15
    c. We must remain faithful until death - Re 2:10

    2. Through God's grace and our faithful obedience, we can be privileged
    to be a part of that church...
    a. Which Jesus built as promised
    b. Which shall withstand whatever "the gates of Hades" might throw
    against it

    Don't you want to be a part of the church of Christ? May the words of
    Jesus in Mt 16:18-19 encourage us to be satisfied with nothing less!

  7. #277
    Quote Originally Posted by idolpunk View Post
    Don't you want to be a part of the church of Christ? May the words of
    Jesus in Mt 16:18-19 encourage us to be satisfied with nothing less!
    church of christ?= Iglesia ni Cristo?

  8. #278
    Basin Mormons , kay diha man nag kuha ug idea si Felix Manalo (INC)

  9. #279
    cathollic rocks

  10. #280
    ulahi na kaayo ang uban Christian sects/church para mu-ingon sila ang true church. ayha pa sila mu-ingon nga sila ang true church nga we are in the end times. We are in the end times so we must expect nga agressive na kaau si Satan to destroy the True Church through divisions. The Catholic Church stands firm from the beginning till the end. Even within the Catholic Church there are schisms tungod sa mga conflicts sa mga traditionalists ug mga modernists. Through trials... dira nimo makita ang True Church. The walls may crack and crumble but the foundation will remain strong.

    Freemasonry and other sercret societies are some of the worst enemies of the Catholic Church even in some protestants. Ang number one enemy sa Freemasonry is the Catholic Church not the protestants. Ang mga mormons daw kay naay mga secret rituals nga mga pareha sa mga masons and their prophet Joseph Smith was a freemason and he was killed in a gunfight. Ingon pa si baliguat nga si Felix Manalo (INC) kay nagkuha ug idea sa mga mormons.

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