The EARLY CHRISTIAN'S ZEAL and CONVICTION

[Tetrad]

And how do you know that I WANT or THEY WANT your promises? I am not sure if there's a word "forceable promises".

"I promise inday akong ihatag tanan nimong luho"
"Naa sa utok sa babae: Mayta matay ning tawhana oi samok!"

kasabot rako ana nga statement bro basin nakasuway kag busted sa imong gipanguyaban depende bitaw na bro kung baga2 kag hasang modiskarte gyud bisag aslom kayog nawng...ahhah! pero kabalo ko nga gwapo ka

Mga posts dri sa Christians migo kay dili man para sa dili motuo, para na sa tanang motuo....naa man tay freedom of expression, gamita lang gud kutob sa imong ganahan basta wala lay bastosay or balikas

For me? You promise me heaven? I don't want that then what? You send me to hell? Where is my freewill oh lord?

Tell that to God when you face him in judgment

And please oh brader, don't insult Science by mixing it with religious words. Science is based on evidence not faith. Can you QUANTIFY faith? Please?

thats why ipuyo imong science in trying to explain the immaterial, ibutang sa saktong lugar para dli ka matawag ug foolish apil....just my suggestion

Half of my life brader I am like you a religious fanatic So I guess that's common for scientists.

so your point is, mas kamao paka aning mga scientists who are believers of God?

"You don't need to read volumes of textbooks to understand nature, you just need to observe them - Newton"

next time when trying to quote something, kanang sa mga atheist scientists nga line kay mo conflict imong point!

[<SMILE>]

So during that time, Is the ROMAN Catholic Religion already Formed? the Church?

Duna na diay ROMAN catholic Religion Before gi Embrace ni Constantine ang mga persecuted Christians?

The history of the Catholic Church begins with the teachings of Jesus Christ, who lived and preached in the 1st century AD in the province of Judea of the Roman Empire. The contemporary Catholic Church says that it is the continuation of the early Christian community established by Jesus.[1] Its bishops are the successors to the Apostles of Jesus, and the Bishop of Rome, also known as the Pope, is the sole successor to Saint Peter,[2] who was appointed by Jesus Christ to be the head of the church in the New Testament who ministered in Rome.[3][4] By the end of the 2nd century, bishops began congregating in regional synods to resolve doctrinal and policy issues.[5] By the 3rd century, the bishop of Rome began to act as a court of appeals for problems that other bishops could not resolve.[6]

Christianity spread throughout the early Roman Empire, despite persecutions due to conflicts with the pagan state religion. In 313, the struggles of the Early Church were lessened by the legalisation of Christianity by the Emperor Constantine I. In 380, under Emperor Theodosius I, Christianity became the state religion of the Roman Empire by the decree of the Emperor, which would persist until the fall of the Western Empire, and later, with the Eastern Roman Empire, until the Fall of Constantinople. During this time (the period of the Seven Ecumenical Councils) there were considered five primary sees (jurisdictions within the Catholic Church) according to Eusebius: Rome, Constantinople, Antioch, Jerusalem and Alexandria, known as the Pentarchy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor...atholic_Church

[Tetrad]

I have posted earlier about how the Bible was changed this will be helpful for more insight.
https://www.istorya.net/forums/genera...ges-bible.html

There is also another detailed presentation about the Battle of the Bibles this is more based on the origins and digs deeper from the source.
Can Tetrad post link here: Thanks bro

this would help bro.
KJV vs. other versions of the Bible ~ Christian Bible Study Blog (CBSB)

[yhokz101]

OT: biliba nko sa mga ka -istoryans diri, english paka man jd.. keep it up!

[BetterPhilippines2015]

There is not much debate on which version to look for.
Most denomination don't really consider the versions. Let alone study the history, background, translations and translators of these versions. Most are told by their pastors or church leaders on what to use.
The KJV is the oldest translation the most original and authentic version of the Bible.

Others versions clearly there are omissions and changes because they have reasons behind it.
The early Catholic church is largely responsible for omitting and changing the word in the Bible.
New Age churches to fit their agenda of relegating the divinity of Christ to suit or "fit in" with other paganistic doctrines making Christ more equal to hindu gods, or other religions of Paganistic origin.
there are other reasons for changing the Bible so that this will give them more reasons for the church leaders to extort money, any personal purposes or for financial or political gain for power ect.

The kjv was translated with the highest intention to preserve the original word to be the closest as we can humanly be to the word of God. We need to also consider the translators, clearly distinguished linguist scholars like Martin Luther, William Tyndale, and Myles Coverdale. The KJV was also an outstanding undertaking to translate the Bible by a team of 50 protestant linguist scholars composed of Church of England and Puritans Led by King James I, to produce highest quality in the preservation and quality of words.

I have posted earlier about how the Bible was changed this will be helpful for more insight.
https://www.istorya.net/forums/genera...ges-bible.html

There is also another detailed presentation about the Battle of the Bibles this is more based on the origins and digs deeper from the source.
Can Tetrad post link here: Thanks bro

This shows religion can't keep their feet together.

Mao I beg to ask you again "Why should I follow your bible and not theirs?

Answer me honestly daw brader: Are Christian churches UNITED?

[BetterPhilippines2015]

kasabot rako ana nga statement bro basin nakasuway kag busted sa imong gipanguyaban depende bitaw na bro kung baga2 kag hasang modiskarte gyud bisag aslom kayog nawng...ahhah! pero kabalo ko nga gwapo ka

Mga posts dri sa Christians migo kay dili man para sa dili motuo, para na sa tanang motuo....naa man tay freedom of expression, gamita lang gud kutob sa imong ganahan basta wala lay bastosay or balikas



Tell that to God when you face him in judgment



thats why ipuyo imong science in trying to explain the immaterial, ibutang sa saktong lugar para dli ka matawag ug foolish apil....just my suggestion



so your point is, mas kamao paka aning mga scientists who are believers of God?





next time when trying to quote something, kanang sa mga atheist scientists nga line kay mo conflict imong point!

Then what's the point of this thread kung imo ning gibuhat PARA SA MOTOO? Unsay point?

Brader, if you can point out any bastos or balikas gikan nako pointing to a person KISSAN TIKA.

[Tetrad]

Then what's the point of this thread kung imo ning gibuhat PARA SA MOTOO? Unsay point?

how should i know if someone who reads will believe or not? its open to all man brod.
see the thread title? thats an encouragement for the christians. Unsay knowledge sa mga unbelievers about our spiritual experience nga dili man ka relate?

[Kenshiro]

This shows religion can't keep their feet together.

Mao I beg to ask you again "Why should I follow your bible and not theirs?

Answer me honestly daw brader: Are Christian churches UNITED?

Good question.
The video that I posted should have the answer. it compares the purity of the KJV and corrupted version of different Bibles.

These other versions most of them are all derived and sourced from 2 oldest original translations the KJV or the Latin Vulgate from the Catholics.
The 2 oldest versions the original KJV and the latin vulgate are very far apart.
For the Latin Vulgate you get the Douay-Rheims translation from the Jesuit and other catholic bibles.
For the KJV you get the NIV, NKJV, Good news version, ect.

So it would be logical to go directly to the oldest version.
Based on the video the KJV was changed subtly and largely as a result of these new versions would drastically change its doctrine or corrupt its true meaning.
I would say these other versions that derive from KJV are counterfeit.

[BetterPhilippines2015]

Good question.
The video that I posted should have the answer. it compares the purity of the KJV and corrupted version of different Bibles.

These other versions most of them are all derived and sourced from 2 oldest original translations the KJV or the Latin Vulgate from the Catholics.
The 2 oldest versions the original KJV and the latin vulgate are very far apart.
For the Latin Vulgate you get the Douay-Rheims translation from the Jesuit and other catholic bibles.
For the KJV you get the NIV, NKJV, Good news version, ect.

So it would be logical to go directly to the oldest version.
Based on the video the KJV was changed subtly and largely as a result of these new versions would drastically change its doctrine or corrupt its true meaning.
I would say these other versions that derive from KJV are counterfeit.

So naa sa mga followers ang burden to check asa nila ang fake or original? Karon panahona lisod na kaayo i distinguish asa ang original or fake. Mao ng unsaon kaha sa ordinaryo nga tawo nga gusto unta mo follow sa truth pero naglisod kay libog asa ang tinood.

Unya kining imong giingon nga oldest version, how sure nga dili pud ni counterfeit ug walay nausab ani? Naa diay alamag ang ordinaryong tawo ug unsay original form or dili?

If these "words of god" can easily be counterfeited then so are some religious leaders. Can you counterfeit the teachings of Science? Like changing 9.8 m/s2 to something like 9.81 m/s2 to suit your needs?

I can't understand why religion put their members in a dilemma.

[Tetrad]

So naa sa mga followers ang burden to check asa nila ang fake or original? Karon panahona lisod na kaayo i distinguish asa ang original or fake. Mao ng unsaon kaha sa ordinaryo nga tawo nga gusto unta mo follow sa truth pero naglisod kay libog asa ang tinood.

Unya kining imong giingon nga oldest version, how sure nga dili pud ni counterfeit ug walay nausab ani? Naa diay alamag ang ordinaryong tawo ug unsay original form or dili?

If these "words of god" can easily be counterfeited then so are some religious leaders. Can you counterfeit the teachings of Science? Like changing 9.8 m/s2 to something like 9.81 m/s2 to suit your needs?

I can't understand why religion put their members in a dilemma.

In Christianity, dili ana ka simple lang ang pag establish sa truth para lang maabot sa atong panahon karon nga plain, simple and reachable sa tanan, it took the blood of the saints/martyrs para mabuo ang kamatuoran!

Satan on the other hand is trying his best to suppress and if possible destroy this truth by all means.
Our responsibility is to search and dig deeper of this truth.