Sona 2014

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Sakto kaayo gi himo sa imo ig-agaw bai. naningkamot cla ug barug nga sila ra. saludo ko nila. ako na tawo ug ni dako man sad ko sa lugar nga agianan ug bagyo? di ma ihap ang kusog nga bagyo ako na experience hangtud dri sa cebu katong bagyong roping nga 1 month way kuryente pero ni barug man mga bisaya nga wala mag salig cge sa gobyerno? katong gi banlas ang ormoc city, naningkamot cla mka barug balik wa mag cge ug salig sa gobyerno. not like karon nga naa nay daghan help from government and private individual? and yet sa una wala mag cge ug complain mga tawo. usahay ang pilipino way katagbawan. gusto tanan nalang ihatag tanan sa sayon. pila na ka months ni labay and if naa pka sa tent hangtud karon dn naa kay problema sa imong self. pwera nlang ug dli ka capable mo work kay disable or bata or tiguwang na kaayo ka.

Sakto bitaw bro pero di lalim. Suerti pod siya because he was born smart, he's a CPA by the way mao dali ra kita laing work diri. Pero ang uban tawon nga di kaau qualified nawad an na jud ug work mao sa Manila na gapunsisok pangita ug work. Angay unta tabangan sa govt ang Tacloban makabarog ug balik para di maghuot ang mga tao sa Cebu ug Manila kay nang migrate na.

[timoyans]

Sakto bitaw bro pero di lalim. Suerti pod siya because he was born smart, he's a CPA by the way mao dali ra kita laing work diri. Pero ang uban tawon nga di kaau qualified nawad an na jud ug work mao sa Manila na gapunsisok pangita ug work. Angay unta tabangan sa govt ang Tacloban makabarog ug balik para di maghuot ang mga tao sa Cebu ug Manila kay nang migrate na.

The worst kay these people from tacloban na namalhin sa manila cebu and etc. na way work, resorted to theft and roberry.

[Romeojin]

these one refers to a single-mindedness, a way of thinking that runs within the scope of belief "denying" the "legitimacy of an alternative point of view"(your word). A negative connotation of being "intellectuals". I have no problem dealing with the intellect provided it doesn't fall to the negative category of it. Meaning open-minded na mga tao, the reason I have been asking people here to open up if you want a better discussion. I have failed.



If you really believe that the thoughts we partake here in this forum does not validate itself on your line of thinking. Then it only shows you were not open minded and single-mindedly programmed to just harass the government.

Being emotional is an indicative that you are interacting with a person, the reason why I keep replying to your post because I consider you as a person, an emotional person. Besides issued here is too delicate that requires emotions and personal experiences to find the resolution for the said issues... So don't act like you were emotionless computers that inputs words after words and more technical words but doesn't process practical applications that of a common individual with human emotions understand or can be handled and probably cared about.
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no it refers to someone na sigeg suppress of thoughts/speech here. as if superior ilang PERSONAL OPINION. I had no problems kung ma.labelled na intellectual ma negative or positive pa na.


kanang subjective thoughts keep that to yourself, next time you speak you add links. The problem man gud, you wanted na we clash base on PERSONAL opinions I tell you di ta mahuman lalis ana. And dont question among pagka open mindedness, the fact di nako lalison ang mga personal opinions signify that imong personal opinion i respect that minus kanang ad hominem, but kanang subjective na istorya no need na pataason kay kinsa man tawon mo judge na sakto ang something SUBJECTIVE.

Ikaw lang man ang close kay ultimo links lalison pa nimo , mas maayo pa ng imong PERSONAL OPINION kaysa sa link which supports our view ?
till now wa gihapon ka kasabot ? Please comment in a way na you dont interfere on how people live there life, naka minus naman gud ka tan-aw nimo dili productive among life, nagsalig kami sa gobyerno, na we didnt do our part ?
Please shut up, you are not a better man.


kanang mga anti intellectual mao na mga emotional, kay dili mo participate on something OBJECTIVE,

I didnt said I am emotionless ikaw ra man nagsugod anang "negative connotions" na "emotionally cold" but surely im a thinking man, I base things on logic and reasoning secondary lang ng emotion.
kanang imong gi labelled are the likes of Spock, Sheldon Cooper so far I dont think those kind of people exist maybe

There is no argument when you believe what the other party believe. >I believe in your cause, but not how you do it.
Argument is useless to a closed-minded opponent, it is so tiring. >Try to process alternative views and weight things out.
There is no sense going to an argument, at all. Especially when it comes to something very technical that even those who practice the said area have a difficulty about it.

I hate copy-pasting thing, that makes me not me.

There is no arguments when you suppress what the other party thoughts/speech; denying them the legitimacy of an alternative view, I told you many times ikaw ra man ang close minded. kanang tao sige reklamo about freedom of speech mao na ang close minded FYI.

Arguments to you is something of PERSONAL nature you said it yourself, dont drag me to girl talk, heart to heart talk etc ; kay never ending na. Ako PERSONAL OPINIONS is much sound pa, but kinsa man mo judge who is right or wrong here ?
I like something objective mao gani ako comments as much as possible can be backed by links. Ikaw mismo links lalison pa lol.

You copy paste something from wiki... not your thing huh ?

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I don't understand why some of you guys who know better bother replying with some of these posts that dwell on the small things. This will just slow you down and they don't have anything useful/tangible to offer. It was good from the start when it was still 2010-2013 when there were a lot of people defending the other side where discussions were more factual and logical and less emotional.

Now, what happened to them? Those who stood up for Pnoy? Where are they who made logical arguments without resorting to unrelated comments leading to emotion? Are they in denial? It's the same with some current posters here who can't seem to muster anything substantial anymore. You guys just side with Pnoy because it seems like there's no one willing to take up his fight? Anyway, I'll just be lurking here and reading some comments since nothing really seems to catch my attention anymore.

Believe me I tried not to. I told ember not to quote me kay Im sick on his PERSONAL OPINIONS, lalison pa ang links, ang Constitution na outdated, mo hint pa gyud na wa nahimo mga tawo dire esp sa Yolanda etc. Assuming kaayo.

[Romeojin]

LOL wala pajud mo ka getover niya brader?

Freedom of speech - I fully support this. Point me asa dapita nga ni suppress ko ug freedom of speech. Remember I AM NOT A MOD TO JUST BAN YOU. I got banned because of TOO MUCH FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

Protest MAYBE if it is reasonable and tips the balance scale. If bukot2x lang pagpuyo mo ga samok2x ramo. BAYAN MUNA? I just want to tell you that I FULLY SUPPORT PROTEST on the street if it's as BIG as the PORK BARREL SCAM. It is NO ordinary scam,it is a SYSTEMIC STEALING OF OUR TAXES BY LAWMAKERS. I have written a letter in my FB timeline to all my friends to join the "Million March". Here's my letter to DEFUNCT your assumption that I am an ANTI-PROTEST person

Mga personal nakong nakaila diri sa facebook mihangyo kaninyo mga matinud-anong lungsuranon sa Pilipinas na suportahan ang kalihokan karon Lunes bahin aning pagwagtang sa pork barrel. Ug kamo tinood nagpakabana ani na isyu walay manggawas na alibay sa inyong mga baba sama sa tungod mahadlok mog traffic dili nalang mo modayon pero ug ting Sinulog bahalag mauwanan basta makalaag lang. Ug boot huna-hunaon sayon rajud ni buhaton kay dili ni pareha sauna nga ato pang ibutang sa peligro atong kinabuhi aron ipagawas atong pagkadismaya sa gobyerno. Dili mga tanke atong kasugat karon kundi mga ordinaryong tawo sama nato nga kamao magpakabana ug nagatoo nga naa pay gamay na paglaom ning atong gipangga na nasod. Dili ko mapulitiko na tawo kay kadaghan nako nagpakabuta bungol aning mga iskandal sa atoa ron kay para nako mag hasol2x lang na sa akong utok. Ug sa inglis pa NUMB nako aning klaseng isyu pero lahi karon kay kung imo lang jud ukayon hangtod maabot nimo ang gamot, masabtan nimo na ang kontra nato dili lang usa ka tawo kundi usa ka organisasyon na pwerting lawma dili na matungkad. Ug naa pay mas ubos sa demonyo mao na sila karon.

Kontra nato halos tanan naa sa kongreso or basin tanan jud, kontra nato tanan naa sa senado except nalang siguro ni Lacson para nako, daghan pud tag kontra diri sa executive department pero dili pako sigurado kinsa ni silang mga tawhana ang oras ray gipaabot nato aron mabulgar ni sila, kontra nato ning ubang dagkong pribadong kompanya sama aning ubang news agency na gisumpo ang kamatooran kay lagi parte sa dynasty. Pasalamat ta kay naa jud uban organisasyon na maski nabutang sa peligro ilang kinabuhi ilaha gihapon gibuhat unsay sakto ang pagpahibaw sa katawhan na giunsa ta giilad sa mga tawo na atong gisaligan, ug kining ubang pribadong indibidwal na kasabwat aning modus.

Ang pangutana karon kinsa naman lang atong toohan? Motoo paba kaha mo aning mga resulta sa kaso pohon ug pananglitan mapasakaan ug mga kaso ning mga sad-an? Ok ra unta ug guilty ang verdict pero kining mga na abswelto tungod lagi sikat, gamhanan, ug daghang kwarta? Lisod kaayo ni tubagon karon mao ng kinahanglan jud kita mosalmot aning kalihokan ug dli nato ni undangan ug dili mga priso ang tanan responsable aning pagtunob sa atong pagkataw.

Ug kamo dili jud maka adto, ang pinakagamay na inyong mabuhat kay ang pag sibya dito sa inyong mga kaila nga walay akses aning internet bahin aning kalihukan sa paglambo.

"Ang rason nganong naay korupsyon sa atoa dili tungod sa kwarta kundi tungod wala sila 'y gugma sa ilang yutang natawhan"

DICTATOR MINDSET - YES, because the gates of our salvation are guarded by wolves and pigs. How can we move to a better position if the only way is blocked? Important bills like FOI, Anti-dynasty remains in the dust. Our salvation is not within our reach if these wolves/pigs remain in power. I strive for something BIG and LONG-TERM. If it involves selling my soul to the devil then so be it. Strong words eh!


Hmmm did I tell you to do this and that? I don't remember telling you that Just like you, I voiced my opinion and got banned because someone's e-p***s got hurt.

Truth hurts, you said it yourself na you had dictator mindset... that kind of mindset works in tandem of anti intellectualism. suppressing thoughts and speech but its a broad subject though.

i always thought ember is Nef, so i wouldnt prolong this. Ciao, whoever you are lol.

[Romeojin]

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[æRLO]

Well considering the fact that I give credit to what you were saying, I would say I am an open-minded person. You know what your problem is? You were "too" proud to agree or even just to consider things afar from what you have. You were "too" certain that what you were saying is the absolute fact, well it's not. Based in a first person's perspective, that is not what my eyes see.

I did not accused anybody of being narrow-minded instead I ask you to open-up. Closed-minded people is far more smarter than the narrow-minded, it's just that they tend not to get out of a particular scope if they already had something in hand. The inability to adapt changes and rather stick to what is constant.

You know what, you already made your point and a fixed stand in a particular issue, and most of it were facts that we common people in some degree share that common belief. What is the point arguing to something you accepted as fact, how can you rationalized an argument when you are attacking what you also consider true. Can you do that? because I can't. What I am offering to start with is to do something for ourselves (it may not be applicable to you because you were too filthy rich) but people out there need to wake up from a delusion of perfect world because of a political slogan "Tuwid na Daan". If you don't feel it is happening soon then might as well do something relevant rather than whine and whine and whine and ask other people to whine.

I accept that there are people who differ in my opinion, but I also reserve the right to use the forum to debate about it. You think open-minded people don't argue? A person who always agrees despite judgement is stupid, not open-minded. Open-minded people often argue, and they consider an issue on different aspects. And no way did I say what I'm saying is "absolute" truth. I'm not omniscient, nor do I claim to be. But what human is? Mao nang we are discussing in the confines of LAW and what is tangible--where open-mindedness isn't even a factor. Ikaw ray ni abot ug philosophical-speak. For the record, I'm not saying that I'm an open-minded person (with regards to this issue), but kanang mu labay ug word "open-minded"? I would question their self-professed "open-mindedness".

How on Earth do you consider yourself an open-minded person when you're right here complaining about the discourse? An open-minded person would just let it be because they'll be open to the idea that MAYBE criticism is needed or MAYBE PNoy is to blame for anything, MAYBE Not, MAYBE people have already exhausted what they can do for themselves. An open-minded person is full of MAYBEs, whereas ikaw you are certain nga sayop nang sigeg blame sa government and that the burden of change is on the people and not the leaders.

If you ask me, you are already partial to the issue, which is fine but I will refute your position--for this is a forum. When you broadcast your idea, it becomes open for rebuttal. If you don't want it that way, write it on a diary. My grief is that you hide under the guise of being impartial.

And you guys are not being attacked, at least I'm not attacking anyone but their argument. Nor do I want you to submit. I want you to back what your saying up with something tangible. This is a forum, if mag sakit inyong buot because you cant defend your position, that's on you.

If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

[emberjim]

so true.. the last time i came in this section was during the Yolanda aftermath, and i was bullied for telling people to do something about the problem rather than sit and whine.. tsk..

That is how they express their opinion, to eat you up to submission... Pitbull type attact more vicious than bulldogging.. They will set a criteria in a particular discussion without giving way to a general public point of view. And if you push a little harder for them to consider even in a matter of a doubt, you put yourself to a highlight of being subjective, when in fact every possible topic about our government is bound to a more considerable fact about the day to day experiences of each and every people that has been affected by the said events...

@æRLO
I accept that there are people who differ in my opinion, but I also reserve the right to use the forum to debate about it. You think open-minded people don't argue? A person who always agrees despite judgement is stupid, not open-minded. Open-minded people often argue, and they consider an issue on different aspects. And no way did I say what I'm saying is "absolute" truth. I'm not omniscient, nor do I claim to be. But what human is? Mao nang we are discussing in the confines of LAW. Ikaw ray ni abot ug philosophical-speak.


How on Earth do you consider yourself an open-minded person when you're right here complaining about discussions here? An open-minded person would just let it be because they'll be open to the idea that MAYBE criticism is needed or MAYBE PNoy is to blame for anything, MAYBE Not, MAYBE people have already exhausted what they can do for themselves. An open-minded person is full of MAYBEs, whereas ikaw you are certain nga sayop nang sigeg blame sa government.


If you ask me, you are already partial to the issue, which is fine but I will refute your position--for this is a forum. My grief is that you hide under the guise of being neutral.

Open-minded often argue if their is a sensible ground for discussion. But when that person senses that a certain criteria has been set for him, why would he involved himself to a debate knowing that his idea has been totally discredited before it even started.

I never complain about any discussions here, did I? Not even to the least sensible one. What I don't want was the derogatory, defamation, and you cracked the word I don't want to use, the word stupidity.

"A person who always agrees despite judgement is stupid." Who wanted the President to be convicted right away? Who's judgement? and who always agree? then who is stupid? Definitely not me.

Yes, you did not claim your views to be absolute, but you pushed like it is. Laws were written agreements between us and our country, but the process for it to be established is a long and winding road and even he who study and practice law is having a hard time coming up to a decision. Then why we already have that in mind in just a snap of our fingers.

Your MAYBE's just come up in this very post, if you didn't notice.

Sayop ang pama-agi is different from sayop ang magprotesta, katungod ninyo na moexpress sa inyo sagmuyo.

This is not about being pro or anti. It is us I am talking about or maybe just few of us that has been in the middle of your political war. but then you people tend to treat people with a different view as Pro-admin ad even call them names, is that what you think the proper way to start a discussion? I don't think so.

i always thought ember is Nef, so i wouldnt prolong this. Ciao, whoever you are lol.

I am flatter for being always in your thoughts. But don't bring nef and ember in your sleep coz you'll find yourself in a threesome situation...

And also I agree sa imo links na nagsupport sa view, your view.
Didn't I quoted that yous I am using is a general you, why man apektado ka kaau and even think that my opinions were spouted to be superior or a dark side ra na siya nmo being a victim of bullying. no I am not saying that I am superior, that I am a better man, I even humble myself to the degree of the poorest of the poorest if you remember... You(ikaw) might have a productive life and I know you have way better status than I have, that is good for you, but it didn't bother me...

You are trying to open up a debate and to be objective to the topic. But in what ground? this is general discussion about the current events. General Discussion covers everything under the sun. Isa pa kana inyo gipangpost to support your arguments were something that the general public agrees, including me.

Wa pa sad ghapon ka kasabot noh... Well na quote ra man sad ko sa imo post kay medyo SUPERIOR na kaau ang dating nmo branding people being anti-intellectual. That is a WOW for me, a big one...

[Jhared]

That is how they express their opinion, to eat you up to submission... Pitbull type attact more vicious than bulldogging.. They will set a criteria in a particular discussion without giving way to a general public point of view. And if you push a little harder for them to consider even in a matter of a doubt, you put yourself to a highlight of being subjective, when in fact every possible topic about our government is bound to a more considerable fact about the day to day experiences of each and every people that has been affected by the said events...

hehe yes,.. true we need critics but it's not good when everyone becomes one..

[æRLO]

That is how they express their opinion, to eat you up to submission... Pitbull type attact more vicious than bulldogging.. They will set a criteria in a particular discussion without giving way to a general public point of view. And if you push a little harder for them to consider even in a matter of a doubt, you put yourself to a highlight of being subjective, when in fact every possible topic about our government is bound to a more considerable fact about the day to day experiences of each and every people that has been affected by the said events...

spoken like a true "open-minded" person.

[æRLO]

Open-minded often argue if their is a sensible ground for discussion. But when that person senses that a certain criteria has been set for him, why would he involved himself to a debate knowing that his idea has been totally discredited before it even started.

Then if you're an open-minded person, like you proclaim, why are you involving yourself in the debate where you feel your idea has been discredited? Aha man ang pagka sensible sa imung grounds when all your ideas anchor on philosophical aspect?

I never complain about any discussions here, did I? Not even to the least sensible one. What I don't want was the derogatory, defamation, and you cracked the word I don't want to use, the word stupidity.

cry me a river, build a bridge and get over it.

You think ang mga pro-Noynoy ray gipang tawag ug derogatory terms? You seem pretty one-sided for a guy who's self-professed "open-minded" and "impartial. While I don't usually partake in name-calling, nor do I condone it, it is almost unavoidable.

you call

"A person who always agrees despite judgement is stupid." Who wanted the President to be convicted right away? Who's judgement? and who always agree? then who is stupid? Definitely not me.

huh? by judgement i mean discernment, dili judgement nga juris prudence. Because it is true, a person who always agree, a yes-man, is a fool. Walay baruganan. So ayaw na sila i-pariha sa open-minded person. And when an open-minded person has a belief but they don't go around telling other people their belief is wrong, like what you are doing right now.

Also, an open-minded person can also be in these kinds of discourse, but they will respect other people's opinion. However, respect doesn't mean they won't refute it. A lot of intellectuals are open-minded. An opinion is much more likely to be respected if it is valid and supported by objective evidences, and dili ra subjective ideas.

Yes, you did not claim your views to be absolute, but you pushed like it is. Laws were written agreements between us and our country, but the process for it to be established is a long and winding road and even he who study and practice law is having a hard time coming up to a decision. Then why we already have that in mind in just a snap of our fingers.

I pushed it to be absolute? I only supported it with what is written in law and what thoroughly confirmed news/figures that I have--tangible material, did I not?. You? backing an argument solely on the premise of experience and very subjective account. So kinsa may nag-buot2x natog "absolute" facts nga ikaw mismo ni-abot naman ka ug intangible concepts?

Your MAYBE's just come up in this very post, if you didn't notice.

never seen you entertain the idea that MAYBE criticism is a good thing. Only that it is overused.

You want to go "out of the box"? Maybe the only reason there is a semblance of democracy in the country is because there are still people who care enough to criticize? Maybe if there wasn't any protest or criticism, we'd be the Somalia of Asia? For someone who is open-minded, you are too linear.

Sayop ang pama-agi is different from sayop ang magprotesta, katungod ninyo na moexpress sa inyo sagmuyo.

This is not about being pro or anti. It is us I am talking about or maybe just few of us that has been in the middle of your political war. but then you people tend to treat people with a different view as Pro-admin ad even call them names, is that what you think the proper way to start a discussion? I don't think so.

again mao ning mga posts nimu that lend me to believe nga partial ra kaayo ka for someone who claims to be in the "middle". Why do you direct it at anti-PNoy posters alone? It's been occurring on both sides of the fence! Don't you even try to deny that. Even you yourself have attacked the messenger and not the message.

Man up, and practice what you preach. If you are truly neutral, act as such. If pro-PNoy ka, come out of the closet.