US bombers fly over China air defense zone

[rescyth]

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Ahay... Ang US kay daku kaau ug utang sa china na ang only way out nila ani na debt is gubaton ang china... If cge ni ug provoke ang china aw... Sukli an jd ni ug bala open heartedly then quits na utang...

[vern]

Problem is if Russia will side with China, pare pareha ra baya na sila mga kumunista. At least were sure that the Brits and most of Europe will be on US's side.

Russia hasn't been a communist state for a long time. Russia just doesn't want total US dominance over the world, so will continue to annoy the US in the UN. In the long run, they will come to terms that a US superpower is better than a Chinese supowerpower.

Ahay... Ang US kay daku kaau ug utang sa china na ang only way out nila ani na debt is gubaton ang china... If cge ni ug provoke ang china aw... Sukli an jd ni ug bala open heartedly then quits na utang...

The US economy relies on funding our growth with Chinese money, China in turn invests in the US using American money that America pays our debts with. Neither side have anything to gain from war.

[vern]

I'd like to take this time to speak with the armchair generals in the audience and those who think that a conflict between the US and China might be "fun" to see who is more "gahi". Since I know little about China's military capabilities, I'm going to assume that just by budget alone and even with a draw down of US forces all over the globe, China is outmatched in every way. China does not have any supercarriers and the US is beginning sea trials of a brand new ten billion dollar supercarrier. The dated supercarriers the US can already soothe China's ruffled feathers of any dreams of open conflict with the US.

So lets talk about the elephant in the room and get it out of the way ... nuclear weapons. There are currently 8 states that hold nuclear weapons, 9 if you count Israel who has neither confirmed or denied their existence. England and France, despite public squabbles will in any war against a big power, will side with the US. Russia will prefer to sit on the sidelines and wish they were on the big boys' table again after things die down. China still probably has half their nuclear missiles aimed at them anyway. People forget there are strong legacy hatreds between Russia and China. Israel owes it's continued existence to the US, so we now who they will side with. The current Pakistani regime owes it's existence to the US and US aid. India, recent economic rivals with China will not hesitate to get rid of China when given the chance. That leaves North Korea to side with China. The problem is, they have no long range strike capability. They'd be lucky to hit the outskirts of Seoul. South Korea will be screwed at the start of the conflict, but they can handle their own against Kim's aging military. Now let us talk about the capabilities of the US. The US has the capability of delivering nuclear warheads using various methods. The US can deliver by plane using refined stealth technology as well as systems in place to deliver those weapons. During the war Iraqi war, US planes routinely took off from bases in the middle of the US, flew to the other side of the world and dropped bombs in Iraq. Think about that for a minute. American pilots took off from bases in the continental US, dropped bombs, and were in able to drop their kids off at school the next day. How many Chinese pilots have done this? The US can also deliver missiles from nuclear silos within the heart of the US and drop them at your door step. These silos have been around since the cold war and nobody really knows where they are. The US is a big place. You think driving to your province took a long time, look at the map, all of the land the Philippines has would fit into many of our states. You would not be able to stop all these nuclear silos if you could even find them. The US can also deliver via nuclear submarine. These submarines could be off China's coast, they would never know. How do you stop something that as far as you know doesn't exist?

So a nuclear war would be a losing proposition for the Chinese, so let us say that war was waged using conventional weapons. The problem China has is that the US is the only country in the world that can project force across the globe on a large scale. That means the US is the only country that can reach out and touch someone ... with American steel. The combined sea and air lift capabilities of even the entire world put together would not gain a foothold on America's shores. That would require more ships even if the entire world joined China. What are they going to do? ... commandeer private vessels? With that said, this war that everyone talks about will not be waged on America's soil, it will be waged on China's home turf. It will be waged in the Philippines, in Taiwan, in Korea, in South Asia. The US will be free from any major Chinese threat, free to get our war machines into gear. Yes China has a lot of people, but how much is world dominance worth to them when you have nothing to come back to and you still aren't going to win? China likes to flex it's muscle at countries with no choice but to comply. But flexing it's military muscle is comedic. The one thing that the US knows how to do well ... is war. China hasn't been in a conflict for a very long time while we the US have been in conflict after conflict for decades ... centuries. Our halls are filled with the memories of our heroes and our people are ready to take that military tradition to the enemy. We have past experience and current experience on our side. While we have soldiers fighting every day gaining that battle experience ... what does China do today militarily? ... it does exercises. This experience means a lot when you remember that one of the many reasons Japan lost in WW2 was because it didn't have capable fighters left to die for them while the US sent it's veterans home to train the new generation. What do inexperienced soldiers and airmen do? ... they crash their planes into American ships because they were no match to American pilots.

I've said this before and I'll say it again, America knows how to wage war. We are a people who fly jets over our important events, we are a people who celebrate our biggest tragedies because they were also our greatest victories. Our children are brought up to American heroes such as Superman, Batman and the American soldier. We may fight amongst ourselves. We may argue the little things, but nothing brings America together like an outside threat. China can flex all they want, but they know they do not want American steel on their shores. They have too much to lose and as Filipinos living in the Philippines, you have just as much to lose if war breaks out. So do not glorify this conflict that may or may not happen, the battle will be on your shores ... not America's.

[æRLO]

^and China knows this fully well, Russia too. Truth is, Everytime they try to rattle their sabers, they are also shaking in their boots. Russia and China's only medium to truly undermine the U.S. is their veto power in the UNSC. Even a Pyrrhic victory is a long shot for China. They won't have air superiority, they won't have the naval power, so what are they going to do with their hundreds of millions of conscripts and regulars and their fancy reversed engineered tanks? It'll be a turkey shoot.

China and the U.S. does not want a hot war, making a posture does not mean they want a hot war.

[Nefarian]

Maka duda man ni conflict karun sa US ug China dili kha ni drama lang nila arun ang uban mga nasod mamalit ug arms either sa US or sa China kay kani sila 2 pinaka biggest suppliers ug Armas sa tibouk kalibutan?

China-made weapons and equipments? Na tomas basin lupigon pana sila sa mga paltik sa Danao. Ug naa lang saktong marketing ug support sa government ang weapon-maker diha sa Danao hagbay ratang sikat anang weapon making.

Resourceful kaayo ang pinoy maski basura pwede pa gamiton para sa ikaayo.

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Ug bahin sa aning pag defy sa US aning air-defence zone sa China, U.S.A find ways to provoke them aron ma justify ilang pag attack sa China. Ug kinsa man tong mo una looy jud kay tabangan. Mao ng kining U.S.A provocation ang tirada ana. Kay sa tinood warfreaks na kaayo na sila. Sauna pana sila sa wala pata natawo , they are born to lead and enforcer of world laws.

Imagine ug ang China ang world enforcer, na saon nalang.

[rescyth]

The US economy relies on funding our growth with Chinese money, China in turn invests in the US using American money that America pays our debts with. Neither side have anything to gain from war.

The US economy relies on funding our growth with Chinese money, China in turn invests in the US using American money that America pays our debts with.

salamat sa tubag but I don't think "relies" and "growth" are appropriate on US and China as these 2 documentaries
tells you.

1. Death by China
How china entered the WTO and how business competition becomes US companies vs CHINA ITSELF. Bankrupt a lot of US
companies .

2. End of the line
China being the biggest buyer of DEBT and US printing money to pay which only slows down the bleeding.
USA's "Ponzi Scheme" Kills Global Economy! 1 of 5 - YouTube

OT: some bits and pieces are available sa youtube for those ganahan mu tan-aw but would be better jd if matan aw ang whole
documentaries para maklaro akong point kay dli jd ko maau aning debate

As sa akong g post earlier, kay nabasahan rato nato sa net mn guro or one or other documentaries na there's no way for the US dw to pay it's debt and the only way nila out is war mao na ni sulti ko ani

"Sukli an jd ni ug bala open heartedly then quits na utang".

Pero pasensya na na dli ko ka provide kng asa to na source nako nabasahan.


"Neither side have anything to gain from war"
Agree ko 100% ani na there's nothing good jd sa gubat but china is way over it's head jd trying to stir conflicts especially sa US...
I pray gali na d jd na mu abot ana kay ang looy kaau ang akong PINAS.


tq

OT: HAPPY NEW YEAR SA TANAN!

[Mr. T]

hadlok man pud to sila mouna hehehe...daghan kaayo motabang nila.

[M.A.D.]

China can't sustain being in a full-scale war. They don't have enough resources. As of late china is still a net importer of energy while the US has almost quadrupled its domestic energy supply which has resulted in a glut in the european refinery markets. Africa and Middle East namely OPEC are greatly affected by the renewed energy independence of the US.

The closest reason I can think of why China is trying to bully its neighbors is because of instability at home. Its current economic model that focuses on investments and high GDP growth which translates to lots of infrastructures and lots of jobs for construction is no longer sustainable. Their cost of doing business is no longer advantageous to them that's why some US firms and even chinese firms are transferring -- to the US.

Right now of all the major economies namely the eurozone, US, japan, and china, china is said to be at the worse position. They have to make the slow transition from a investment, externally driven economy into a domestic, internally driven economy. This results in lesser GDP growth although it is more stable, this in turn will cause the yuan to appreciate making chinese exports expensive. On the other hand the quality of life of the people in china will improve as there will be better wages and more jobs for the domestic market.

For the meantime, the US may be making a comeback to manufacturing.

[amorchuckie]

US is very cautious of China. Pyter sad kaayo ang military nila.