THE OBELISK: a pagan symbol?

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hehehe mubo ra jud ni atoa hehehe kapoyan man gud ko type... Yep I remembered that the crowds requested the release of a notorious criminal over Jesus but how sure are you that the crowds were all Jews? In my observation there were other races who attended the gathering not just Jews as per as your previous statement.

sa akoa pud bro.
ang silot for the jews is death by stoning, roman is through crucifixion. bisan ang jews maoy ni request to crucify Jesus, still ang power to execute is by the Romans.

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John 19:28-30
New King James Version (NKJV)

It Is Finished

28 After this, Jesus, knowing[a] that all things were now accomplished, that the Scripture might be fulfilled, said, “I thirst!” 29 Now a vessel full of sour wine was sitting there; and they filled a sponge with sour wine, put it on hyssop, and put it to His mouth. 30 So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.

Unsa diay meaning ining
that the scripture might be fulfilled.

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akong sabot ana bro....the Death of Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of the OT prophecies about the messiah. Daghan mga verses in the OT that talks about the LOrd's suffering and death.

..because salvation was already planned by God even before the creation of the world.

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akong sabot ana bro....the Death of Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of the OT prophecies about the messiah. Daghan mga verses in the OT that talks about the LOrd's suffering and death.

..because salvation was already planned by God even before the creation of the world.

Ahhhh,okay
meaning as a sign of salvation
the cross was also planned to be used.

[noy]

hehehe mubo ra jud ni atoa hehehe kapoyan man gud ko type... Yep I remembered that the crowds requested the release of a notorious criminal over Jesus but how sure are you that the crowds were all Jews? In my observation there were other races who attended the gathering not just Jews as per as your previous statement.

haha...mao mubo ra jud ni...
anyways, they were Jews bro or at least most of them.. otherwise they wouldn't have wanted Jesus crucified for breaking Jewish Laws and blasphemed in claiming He was the Son of God..

besides, the Gentiles would have not partaken with the crucifixion request for they really wouldn't care in the first place..
why would the gentiles care for Jewish laws, when they don't follow it in the first place..
Jesus was a Jew, the Jewish High Priest percieved He broke the law and blasphemed against God with His claims...
so who do you think would most probably condemn Jesus? still thinking not the Jews?

i think kung naa man ganiy mas naluoy ni Jesus ato nga time, mao to ang mga Gentiles..
but again, the one's who wanted Jesus crucified were the Jews, His own people...even till today, you'll find in traditional Jewish views...Jesus is a False Prophet for them..however we have messianic Jews na pud...slowly accepting Jesus as the promised Messiah..

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sa akoa pud bro.
ang silot for the jews is death by stoning, roman is through crucifixion. bisan ang jews maoy ni request to crucify Jesus, still ang power to execute is by the Romans.

would the Romans crucify Jesus if not for the Jews? Remember Pilate rejected and found no fault in Jesus
even Herod found no fault in Jesus other than thinking He was a lunatic.
so Pilate washed His hands, giving the Jews full account on what will happen to Jesus.

[noy]

How about Mary bro?

the answer is obviously no break

Maybe for some Catholics. How about those people mismo sa Vatican nga naay idea aning mga butanga?
VATICAN EXPOSED

break, you're talking about people who abandoned their faith...
qouting things against their previous belief...Does that sound legit to you? might as well consider Atheism pud kay daghan pud kaayong mga religious who abandoned their faith..hehehe...
unya naa pa juy video ngadto sa imung link nga Vatican invented Islam, huwaaaat!?! it defiles and trashes history break

That’s normal lang bro naay butang nga dili nato dawaton dayon, unless the evidence mo fit sa kamatuoran. My source of truth mostly is the bible. Ang lisud diha kung gi consider nato ang bible as God’s truth but we believe only halfheartedly.

so ikaw nalay anak sa Ginoo break..hehehehe...
so kamu ray kahibaw sa truth...mao na imu pasabut?

Lisud man bro if di ta maka distinguish sa Paganism from Christianity. Remember that Roman Catholicism was originally formed by a Pagan Emperor Constantine. There is a big possibility of the corruption within the church.
Obelisk, Religion, Masons, and pagan origins from Egypt to the Vatican! - YouTube

you need to search more about History of the church...
try starting with Pope Clement, somewhere in 90AD...
the roman emperor converted with Christianity in 300AD.
again break, unless you can present something from the doctrines of the RCC about the obelisk as an important worship figure
then your claims aabout it will start to get interesting.

Unsa may connection sa Obelisk ug sa martyr, giunsa sila pagpatay using the obelisk?
I agree if your point nagpasabot nga ang mga taw nga nagpaluyo and who worship that image, mao ang nagpapatay sa mga Christian martyrs. So it means nga ang obelisk dili diay related sa Christianity, instead, like the cross, is an abominable thing/symbol. If the cross refers to Jesus Christ, why man dili Giant Cross ang gibutang diha sa center sa Saint Peter Square? Taga Vatican ra tingali makatubag ani bro…heheh.

excatly my point bro, way connection ang obelisk sa Catholicism...
therefore it doesn't matter..unless ipa worship nang obelisk sa Rome sa mga katoliko kay mubalhin jud kog relihiyon dritso! Lol

nganu dili cross ang naa sa St. Peter's square? simply because dili cross ang nahitungod nga "silent witness" sa mga panghitabo nga gi martyr ang early Christians..
again, the obelisk is not there to symbolize anything that relates to the Chrsitian faith...it is there because it somehow has emotional attachment to the things that happened to the martyrs in its very presence.
Historical figure ra na bro...

murag kahoy ba nga 150 years old...maski pag unsa na ka hasol sa kalsada...pangitaan jud ug paagi nga di maibut tungod kay ang maong kahoy nagsilbi nga Historical, served as a silent witness sa mga panghitabo 150 years back, probably the filipino-Spaniards revolution ...ug unsa pa nang uban...sentimental value bah..i hope humana ta ani bro...kay balik2x na tag storya ani..hahaha

Wala silay gikahadlukan sa tanang butang/taw sa kalibutan, I think demons only shivers in the name or presence of the Lord Jesus Christ.

ang point nako bro, maski pag naay pagan roots ang usa ka butang...
kung ang heart sa usa ka Christiano, walay sagol nga paganism...
way gamit ang pagan history or kinsa pa nang demonyo nag kabayo anang maong butang...ang term is state of grace..
example kung mu tan.aw kag horror movie, kung under ka sa state of grace...maski pag unsaon kag hadlok sa imung gitan.aw you would see the glory of Jesus and that there's no reason to be afraid...
kung ang tan.aw sa obelisk nga naa sa Rome kay historical figure ra...maski pag pagan figure na sa una...wala ra nay bili...AS LONG AS wala na gisimba.

I assumed there are 2 forces nga naglihok sa Vatican bro. Murag politics ba.

Father John O'Connor: The Reign of the Antichrist - 1/9 - YouTube

bro, have you asked Jesus about your claims against the Vatican?
against Roman Catholicism, are you really sure He is happy about
how you see the Catholic Church?

Akong point bro, wala ko na satisfy sa ilang explaination not if theyre true or false Christians. It doesn’t mean nga kung hinayon ta dili tinuod atong pagka Christian. It happen lang nga mas maayo pagka explain sa ubang Christian denomination about the truths of the bible.

you said you were satisfied when you met true Christians...hence i asked.

With all the videos akong gishare bro, about those people from inside the Vatican nag exposed sa ilang na observe, would you still hold fast to your perspective nga walay hidden agenda sa sulod? I do not limit my perspective bro, but I fixed my truth in Jesus Christ and the Bible. Kung wala tay fixed reference bro, tanang belief is acceptable….then why we disagree in Hinduism, Islam, Buddhism’s teachings?

cge mangutana ko bro, with all the links on the web, with all the CAtholic sites available for you to check to answer you rquestions about obelisk, mary,saint worship, purgatory, sacraments...did you even care in opening your mind about those things?those explanations?
imung mga vids and links gi post bro, were conspiracies, theories...which makes sense but the thing is one-sided lang kaayo...obviously coming from a perspective of anti-Catholic...

unsay way basis imung pasabut bro? and nganu naapil man ang mga hindu, muslim etc ngari? kung wa pay roots and strong foundation sa Christian teachings ang RCC bro, then hagbay ra namu gi ilisan ug Alah si father God, or daghan nami Ginoo kung mi adapt pa mi sa Hinduism..

It is. But not totally. Mao bitaw wala jud na gi-encourage sa unang panahon nga ipabasa, especially during the Dark Ages, maybe because mabaloan nga daghan conflicts sa mga teachings and practices.

so ikaw na maoy mas nakahibaw bahin sa Catholicism karun break nga ako may Katoliko...unya sayop pud nang mga statement sa Catholic sites nga naa pa juy NIHIL OBSTAT, meaning OFFICIAL site jud na
kay ang Catholic pratices take Biblical roots man with regard to its practices...

Hopefully sayop ko. But truth will always find its way to surface. Let’s see what will happen in the near future. These are serious matters bro.

i hope you also realize how serious your allegations are.

Yes bro, only God knows. But what he reveals in the bible is very Clear. John 3:16, as you consider the absolute truth talks about the depth of the Love of God and the consequences of those who accepts/rejects it.

so you're saying Catholics reject Christ?

Dili man tingali dautan ang paghatag ug link bro. Ang taw nga nangita jud sa kamatuoran will surely find it one day. Bisan pa pila pa ka information atong I share kung dili jud ta convinced, wala nay power sa atua.

so giving tests now? sa ako bro, maski pag pila ka link nang imung ibutang diha, wa koy problema 'cause i understood what Catholicism is about.kaso naay uban nga prehas nimu sa una, wala kaayo kasabut sa Catholicism unya wa ta kahibaw naa nay mga kalibug daan...kung anha tugpa sa imung mga anti-catholic link
most likely you'd turn a confused soul to HATE Catholicism which is still a Christian church by the way in case you forget.

Makaingon ta sakto sad baya ang words ni George Mc Donald that says…” To give truth to him who loves it not, is only to give him more multiplied reasons for misinterpretations.”

what you're giving is the truth of your church/denomination and interpretation.
are you sure that it is the truth of JESUS CHRIST our Lord and Savior?check the links you posted...see the videos you attached..
in the silence of your heart, ask Jesus how you see the RCC church and practices...especially the OBELISK is how Jesus sees it?

I admire your brilliance bro and I hope we can come to the point nga magkauyon ta in viewing the truth in our discussion too.

Cheers and God bless us always!

if we would only talk about Jesus and Loving others as Christ loved us..
then we wouldn't have anything to argue with.
Godbless you too!

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would the Romans crucify Jesus if not for the Jews? Remember Pilate rejected and found no fault in Jesus
even Herod found no fault in Jesus other than thinking He was a lunatic.
so Pilate washed His hands, giving the Jews full account on what will happen to Jesus.

Maypag pasanginlan taning duha bro...hahhaha!

Trial of Jesus

Jerusalem is under the jurisdiction of Rome at that time. Though Pilate and Herod saw a blameless testimony of Jesus, being without sin…do you think nakauyon sila with his claims and teachings?

In my opinion bro, whether or not Jesus death requested by the Jews, still he would be killed by the Romans coz Jesus and his teachings is a threat to the Roman Empire. He even denounced the priests who had been appointed by the roman power. Jesus also claimed to be the king of the Jews, as a Roman rule, If you don’t believe what you are told to believe (Caesar is a god), or at least go through the motions, you are a bad subject of Caesar and deserve to be killed.