Die, brod, Die!

[thadzonline]

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-exactly my point! thanks yokam. the thing that people dont understand is that when it comes to fraternities they tend to think about college men going happy-go-lucky and doing nothing with their lives thats why really it is so hard to explain. not only that but you also get this members from other frats "kuno" who tend to portray that picture. but the thing is not all frats are like that, depende na lang talaga kung anu ang frat na pinili mo. if you happen to make a crappy decision well what do you get? a crappy frat with low-life brods and easy to get sisses who knows nothing but to waste their times and proclaiming that they are the best. the funny thing is kung sino yung di kumikibo yun ang may nararating. on the other hand there is this certain part of a minority, a very, very small part that still believes in camaraderie and friendship found within the true fraternity. like i said before and like what yokam said, we make it known to the neophytes what they are getting into. and like them, we also making paddling as the last resort. neophytes are never lied to why should we when lives are at stake? and what intellectuals? did you know that almost all of our presidents have been an alumnus of some fraternity? did you know that presidents from other countries as well even the poor ones like in africa are members of frats as well? did you know that some of the bands, actors even religious people you see on tv are fratmen? now tell me if frats are really that bad then why did they join given their high intelligence? know your facts before judging, know the facts that there is a minority out there who actually cares more about hitting the books rather than vandalizing their names on the public wall. step in a fratmans shoe, the true fratman and you'll see fraternities isnt all what you thought it would be.

as for chris, i know it all seems bad but like i said, he knew what he was getting into. he knew that there was a 50% chance he'll die. he knew that he could still have a good career without ever becoming a fratman. he knew he could still be a UP alumni and make a name for himself in whatever field without ever joining sigma rho. he knew the risk and still he took it.

50% chance that he could die, so fratmen who do the initiation rights know half the chance they get they kill a man? to me, that is either murder, homicide..why do it with half the chance you become a murderer? Is it worth the risk? well anyway, if you did kill the neophyte, those men go into hiding, cover things up..is that what we call good leadership? where is responsibility and accountability there? last time I checked, a real leader has those qualities as requisites

[borgy1981]

another question. medyo O.T neh sya but coz this is for all FRATERNITIES

when you are in to hazing do you have any doctors or physician who is observing on that activities? what if the new recruit cant take it all the pain? what you will do? continue or stop for a minute so he can recover then proceed...

that's very rare..I hope fraternities would consider this idea, since it would be a WIN-WIN situation for the frat and the neophyte...

[Velvett]

PERHAPS IT'S TIME FOR A CHANGE

leaders have been part of fraternities? well look at the kind of leaders they are

in all seriousness, we need leaders who value life and have the heart to serve. leaders who understand what accountability and responsibility truly are.

enough of unecessary deaths caused by hazing.

[borgy1981]

50% chance that he could die, so fratmen who do the initiation rights know half the chance they get they kill a man? to me, that is either murder, homicide..why do it with half the chance you become a murderer? Is it worth the risk? well anyway, if you did kill the neophyte, those men go into hiding, cover things up..is that what we call good leadership? where is responsibility and accountability there? last time I checked, a real leader has those qualities as requisites

the saddest thing in this scenario is there would be cover-ups...I just hope the public would be enlightened as to what actually happened and who are responsible in this senseless act...

[diem]

as for chris, i knowit all seems bad but like i said, he knew what he was getting into. he knew that there was a 50% chance he'll die. he knew that he could still have a good career without ever becoming a fratman. he knew he could still be a UP alumni and make a name for himself in whatever field without ever joining sigma rho. he knew the risk and still he took it.

[color=navy]You make it sound as if Cris had a malignant tumor and is required to undertake a critical surgical operation which may or may not save his life. The facts of the matter are Cris did not have a tumor, he was healthy, young and had potential to give a good life until a group of people tortured him to death, just simply because it is their tradition of initiation.

What happened to Cris, and to others who were killed like him, was bad. VERY BAD.

I myself had a personal experience of how fraternities recruit and tried it myself in college to a particular point. If a particular fraternity wants you, they go to great lengths in convincing, persuading and PRESSURE you why joining them will benefit you. Like thadzonline, I began to question the process and ultimately had to put on a dramatic act just to get them to leave me alone for good.

Not all fraternities practice hazing, not all fraternities/sorrorities are bad, but I would like to ask everyone is there a need for such societies to exist and persist today?

[munzter666]

from the movie Payt Club

tylur durden sez:

I see all this potential, and I see squandering. God damn it, an entire generation pumping gas, waiting tables; slaves with white collars. Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy **** we don't need.

We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War's a spiritual war... our Great Depression is our lives. We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off.

this is the life we chose, the life we lead; and there is only one guarantee... none of us will see heaven...

[borgy1981]

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as for chris, i know it all seems bad but like i said, he knew what he was getting into. he knew that there was a 50% chance he'll die. he knew that he could still have a good career without ever becoming a fratman. he knew he could still be a UP alumni and make a name for himself in whatever field without ever joining sigma rho. he knew the risk and still he took it.

so it's just like Chris had a mentality of a soldier, going to a war knowing he would die...I would assume Chris expected a different approach..which is to join an "elite fraternity" which could boost his own ambitions in life in the future...If this is what you'll be expecting then you're joining the wrong group...hehehe

[yokam]

you dont have a single idea why it is done that way? and so is your pledgee? well, rational men question what is in it for them, I understand you are no robots, but this kind of a reasoning just goes to show that many of the fratmen who beat their recruits don't even have a good reason to say they have assimilated the principle behind hazing. AFter all, my friend, if you have to sell an idea, you have to be convinced about it yourself first..I am not against you, I am against hazing..just want to make that clear..my dad is a fratman himself, but for all the respect I have for him, that is one kind of reasoning I still dont agree with him

Not done in that way but only in that way. Yes, we questioned such a way and opened it up and in turn now, hazing is not our only way, it's our last resort. In the first place, that's why we're so insistent in changing our ways because we know that hazing should not be the only way and nobody's getting anything good from it if it's the only thing done just for the sake of acceptance. Again, we make it a point that our pledgee knows what they're getting into, way beyond the mere initiation, the assigned tasks and the possible paddling. That's one thing we missed out during our time when we were still pledgees.

Yeah, you give them an option..in a kind of situation where they decide many times out of fear..that does not look like a real option to me..I know because I belong to an organization whose process I have questioned..

Fear? We've been pledgees ourselves once and we have experienced the so-called traditional baptismal, initiation and acceptance rights. And may I reiterate that we've questioned and challenged some of the "tradition" when we became members already. I and most of my brods and sis in our frat are not the kind of people who're buying the idea of "master-subordinate" relationship when it comes to our members. Respect buys out respect and we can't earn it through force. That's why we're making ourselves as transparent as possible.

You might not fully understand or get what I'm saying because you don't know our frat and you don't know us either.

rules are only as good as long as they remain relevant..in this case, hazing has gone passe and illegal and it is no longer relevant if the law bans it

Because the hazing that people would normally think of is the brutal, very brutal paddling or activities.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

THADZONLINE ...

Yes you are right , daghan nakabalo na bisan dili fratman how the system works kay mao nadunggan nila or nabasahan nila . But they CANT and will NEVER be able to VOUCH and SPEAK in BEHALF covering FACTS in general unless you are a FRATMAN yourself . WHo would have known than the fratmen themselves right ? BUt ...

- naay nagmahay na FRATMAN , basula ang FRAT niya because that frat is not for him
- nagpa fratman fratman lang as ive said before ( in laymans term .. NAGPAKA SWITO )


Back to the topic : Luoy tuod si CRIS MENDOZA because being denied to live freely , enjoy life and etc . But kabalo ba mo ngano sensationalized kaayo ang issue , no disprespect to thje soul of CRIS noh ... UP ang involved and the issue na DOCTOR ang nagdala pa sa hospital . Give it a month guys and gals mapawng na ang kalayo sa kainit and back to normal na , so are the RHOSIGS recruiting again for the coming semester .

[Velvett]

tsk tsk tsk. evil is tolerated.