The Universe - is it Created? or by Chance?

[treize]

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If supposedly the big bang theory is possible, then where did the primordial atom came from?...it is also created by chance out of nothing....and how?

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it couldn't be created by chance out of nothing....

[robert_papalid_ece]

yes he is an Atheist and very respected. As Larry has said the other day, "Bill talks by heart. He is always true to what he is saying."

I like him a lot but sad that Russel and Jim cant make me laugh. lahi lahi jud tag templa sa comedy.

i guessed it right... abi man gud nako'g act ra to niya... atheist jud diay siya tinuod... but im still a fan... Religulous is a good docu of his... although dili kaau deep... intended to make fun anyway... not to educate...

OT: hmm... lain2x jud tag taste mam sa comedy... sa local sad mam... i still even find Vic Sotto funny... simple ra'g jokes ba... way arte... Vice Ganda is also cool... but her jokes are a bit harsh... binayot jud ug style ba... which are sometimes inappropriate na... hehe...

inom niya ta ninyo mga pro-creationists... bisa'g usa ka case lng gud nga redhorse... libre ni pareng redhorse1L...

[redhorse1L]

i guessed it right... abi man gud nako'g act ra to niya... atheist jud diay siya tinuod... but im still a fan... Religulous is a good docu of his... although dili kaau deep... intended to make fun anyway... not to educate...

OT: hmm... lain2x jud tag taste mam sa comedy... sa local sad mam... i still even find Vic Sotto funny... simple ra'g jokes ba... way arte... Vice Ganda is also cool... but her jokes are a bit harsh... binayot jud ug style ba... which are sometimes inappropriate na... hehe...

inom niya ta ninyo mga pro-creationists... bisa'g usa ka case lng gud nga redhorse... libre ni pareng redhorse1L...

Murag taas2x na jud na inyong istorya about comedian.
Basin mawagtang na nuon ta topic aneh.

Sige lang, kung magkasinabot unya, tapok2x nya ta. Naa redhorse dapat. wahahaha

[necrotic freak]

^^mao ni ilang gi ingon nga By Chance, nga magkaabot ta tanan sa imnanan. hahaha

[schmuck]

Like I said, the idea of an infinite past is logically impossible.
Take this for example, if you're riding a space shuttle and you happen to meet a spaceman on a spacecraft, you happen to ask: "Where are you going?" he answers: "I'm going to infinity!!"
Now you might say, ok, keep up the spirit, but you won't get there for sure.
"Oh by the way, where have you been?" he answers: "Im came fom infinity!"

How can you hope for an answer if the concept is already false?


The point is, why invoke the supernatural to end causation?
I'm already giving three solid arguments for the existence a Supernatural Being.

1. The beginning of the Universe from nothing points on a Creator that is beyond space and time.
2. The fine tuning of the Universe dictates an Intellegent Designer.
3. The presence of Life considering a lifeless Universe demands a Giver of Life.

In order to prove Atheism, you must disprove all these arguments and build your own argument that the Physical world (like matter and energy) is all there is. That there is no beyond the natural world.


Why not stop at the universe itself?
Because that's what we are discussing right now

You right that the idea of an infinite past(regards to time) is impossible because time was created after the big bang. But wrong when you mean relate time with the existence of the universe itself. In layman's terms, time is "inside" the universe. Ergo, the universe itself is outside space and time, it contains them. I can settle with the universe always having existed. You are taking an additional unknown by bringing in god.

Also, how trivial it is of god who's existence is determined by mere ontological argument instead of empirical evidence. Eh?

[mosende]

You right that the idea of an infinite past(regards to time) is impossible because time was created after the big bang. But wrong when you mean relate time with the existence of the universe itself. In layman's terms, time is "inside" the universe. Ergo, the universe itself is outside space and time, it contains them. I can settle with the universe always having existed. You are taking an additional unknown by bringing in god.

Also, how trivial it is of god who's existence is determined by mere ontological argument instead of empirical evidence. Eh?

time does not exist daw...

[janvier]

maniguwang na lng atong mga apo bai di japon ni masulbad..

[RonIvs]

logic has its flaws. its too theoretical and conformist.

[Mr. BrokenHearted]

i truly believe that the universe is created by our Almighty God

[redhorse1L]

You right that the idea of an infinite past(regards to time) is impossible because time was created after the big bang. But wrong when you mean relate time with the existence of the universe itself. In layman's terms, time is "inside" the universe. Ergo, the universe itself is outside space and time, it contains them. I can settle with the universe always having existed. You are taking an additional unknown by bringing in god.

Also, how trivial it is of god who's existence is determined by mere ontological argument instead of empirical evidence. Eh?

Ergo, the universe itself is outside space and time, it contains them.

Huh? could you please elaborate?
Let's define what the Universe is:Universe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Universe is commonly defined as the totality of everything that exists, including all physical matter and energy, the planets, stars, galaxies, and the contents of intergalactic space.

How can you say that the Universe is beyond space and time when IT IS WITHIN space and time?
That is why we refer to it as space-time Universe.


I can settle with the universe always having existed.
Please provide a valid reason why you believe so.

So now you're discrediting Stephen Hawking and what most scientists agreed about?
You don't believe that the Universe began at the Big Bang?
If the Universe has always existed, then how old is the Universe now?
I thought you believe that the Universe is 14 billion years old?



Also, how trivial it is of god who's existence is determined by mere ontological argument instead of empirical evidence. Eh?

Then what empirical evidence can you provide?

I've already provide 3 solid arguments for the existence of a supernatural Being.

1. The beginning of the Universe from nothing points on a Creator that is beyond space and time.
2. The fine tuning of the Universe dictates an Intellegent Designer.
3. The presence of Life considering a lifeless Universe demands a Giver of Life.

These arguments, no matter how incomprehensible it may seem, is more logical than an uncaused Universe.

You have not disproved even one argument. How can you conclude that all things came up by chance alone?