Are We Humans Perfect Or Not?

[Mr.Ho_chia]

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...i think what he meant is when a person is reborn, not Jesus Christ as being the one reborn.

Exactly. Thanks bro.

[Mr.Ho_chia]

...if you are referring to being perfect as in "sinless perfection" then no. A person who's been forgiven of his/her sins by God still sin. However, he is declared righteous (acquitted, not guilty) by God due to the righteousness that he/she received through Jesus Christ's righteousness imputed (transferred, ascribed) upon that person. Not upon his/her own work/merit (Ephesians 2:8-9).

Note here that I am dichotomizing a two-fold event: justification and sanctification. These might be theological jargons but are essential when it comes to the discussion of a man's situation when he is reborn/born again into God's kingdom. Not that he/she becomes sinless, i.e., perfect, but sinning less and less and less. Justification is a ONE-TIME event: the moment a person receives Jesus Christ's final and complete work on the cross as the means of the forgiveness of his/her sins. Sanctification is a life-long process wherein the person is being made holy (and should I say being made perfect in a sense) every single moment of his/her life. That person can only achieve sinless perfection when Jesus Christ returns -- freeing His believers of the presence of sin, thus making them perfect; or if that person dies and goes to God's Kingdom.



I would prefer "declared righteous" solely by Jesus Christ's atoning work, rather than "perfect". I am not faultless, I still sin you know.

In God's eyes, I am righteous (Him looking down on His own Son's righteousness and not mine). You might take me as being arrogant, but my claim is on the basis of the finished work of Christ and not out of my own goodness, thus earning His favor.

Peace

I couldn't say it better. Thanks Bro

[geoseph]

Unsa man jud meaning anang "perfect"?
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Usa siguro, ang "perfect" kay mao nang resulta, panghitabo, o kagawasan nga mismong ensakto gyud sa gigusto nimo. "Perfect" is exactly what you want.

Di ba, kung naa kay dugay nang gipangita (dili kanang nawala), human nakitan nimo ug ensakto pa gyud, di ba, usahay, makaingon ug "perfect"?

O kaha, naa kay gustong mabuhat, human sa dinugay-dugay nimong binalik-balik, para makuha gyud ang resulta imong gipangita, human, nabuhat na gyud nimo (o natsambahan kaha), di ba usahay, makaingon pud ug "perfect"?
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Bisig naa pay lain o dugang na meaning kaning "perfect" pwera pa sa kanang "dili masayop" o kaha kanang "dili magkasala".
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Bisig, wala ga-expect ang Ginoo na dili ta masayop o magkasala, kay finite man tang tanan. Dili nato mahimo ang mahimo niya kay infinite man siya.

Bisig ang gihulat lang niya sa usa ka tawo kay gugmahon ra siya, sa pamati, sa huna-huna, ug sa binulohaton, and everything else follows (like loving everyone else as one's self, commitment to what benefits everyone, etc...).
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Just my Php 0.02 worth.

[roybrian69]

i believe in science...i believe humans are not perfect and will never be...

[rcruman]

well said sir. very well said..

though according to RCRUMAN. you can be perfect base sa bible by simply FEAR GOD, FOLLOW HIS WAYS, with that you can be perfect. so i supposed even if you sinned bsta you fear GOD lang you can be perfect.

stop this kind of interpretation bro.
Its not according to me its according to the verses of the bible I've quoted.

Can you give me a verse in the bible that a MAN can't be perfect because he/she have sinned?
Bro again, its only GOD who can say who's perfect or not because its GOD who can see our hearts.

Peace!

[itachi]

Mat 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

[bcasabee]

Brad, kana nga verse wala na mag ingon nga perfect ta nga pagkatawo. Niingon ra na nga struggle towards perfection.

[necrotic freak]

ikaw bai literal lalim ba..hehehe basta naay word perfect mao nana! lol

[aztina888]

stop this kind of interpretation bro.
Its not according to me its according to the verses of the bible I've quoted.

Can you give me a verse in the bible that a MAN can't be perfect because he/she have sinned?
Bro again, its only GOD who can say who's perfect or not because its GOD who can see our hearts.

Peace!

interpretation? wala man ko nag interpret. im simply restating what you said. haller

again yaw cge pangayu ug verse nako..
so lagi you are perfect right? for you in the EYES of GOD you are PERFECT? YES OR NO?

[aztina888]

Mat 5:48 "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

hmm doesnt say here WE ARE PERFECT... from what i understand it says BE perfect coz God the Father is Perfect.

2 na sila perfect here. uwaw lang sila mu angkon nga perfect sila oieeee hehehehe YES nlang gud inyo answer.
i can now say ADD's are PERFECT HUMAN BEINGS!! WOW...
(corrections here you come.. lolz)