If there is no God, Who Governs Right or Wrong?

[handsoff241]

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Hello sorbetes, thanks for the added info

No read and no write is ILLITERATE. Being illiterate doesn't necessarily mean nga wala na'y knowledge. A person can still have a sense of what is right and wrong even without knowing how to read and write. After all, knowledge is not only based on one's literacy.

I hope, that this 2nd opinion, truly untainted by our discussion, mr. springfield, will give you the idea that knowledge is responsible for out perception of which is good and not.

But then again, knowledge does not wholly govern what is right or wrong. Naa bya mga instances nga we know that it's wrong and yet we still do it. I still think right or wrong is subjective - depends on the belief of the individual and all the factors that could affect such belief, like iyang environment, society he lives in, etc.

But sir sorbetes' idea is of a different shade with contrast to mine. Again I "assert" and this I will explicitly say, that knowledge is the key to our comprehension of what is right and wrong, of course, with wisdom, our ability to digest the knowledge we are seeing/receiving.
Those instances you are talking about sir sorbetes, where we know that a specific decision is bad but still decide to do it is a product of human interes with regards to, still, what he knows will be good for him regardless if it is bad for other's be they are events or beings. The fact that you "know" it is bad, and still do it, does not hide that truth that you already comprehendid it as bad.
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ero mao sad lagi, being subjective, who draws the clear line between right or wrong? Mawala nah ang distinction. So we're back to the question.

The distinction lies on your personal interest, you can try to go back to the base of the discussion but let me drag you to my idea, knowledge, a staple way of knowing, will give you the comprehension of what is right or wrong, provided that your wisdom is of appropriate simile to the norms of the morals, be it cultural or general.

The social contract theory works for me, when viewed as a whole. Pero not every member in a society functions with the same goal or belief in mind. If mu.defy xa sah norm of society, does that mean wrong xa when to him, iyang gbuhat is sakto?

Exactly, thus my idea of personal interest.

[tripwire]

1. I decide my choices brad, based on the teaching of my dogma. But I obey the laws of the land (balaod).

There it is! So, your decision is not based on society but what you have gained. I say it again, morality is not dictated by society because it's dependent on person to person.

2. Smoking is indeed bad cannot argue on this. But to point out that marijuana is more hazardous than cigarette, I say Im not convinced by the findings you have presented.

Ask yourself sir kebot, how is not convincing while your organs are in danger when you smoke? You smoke di ba? Can you convince yourself that it is not dangerous? How is not dangerous while you're inhaling carbon monoxide? Let me educate you what Pot or Weed is all about. Marijuana is a green, brown, or gray mixture of dried, shredded leaves, stems, seeds, and flowers of the hemp plant. Marijuana has a chemical in it called tetrahydrocannabinol, better known as THC. All forms of marijuana are mind-altering (psychoactive). In other words, they change how the brain works. A lot of other chemicals are found in marijuana, too — about 400 of them, some of which are carcinogenic. Marijuana is addictive with a primary diagnosis of dependence than for all other illicit drugs combined.

Using marijuana can also lead to disturbed perceptions and thoughts, and marijuana use can worsen psychotic symptoms in people who have schizophrenia. Additionally, there are higher rates of depression, anxiety, and suicidal thinking among people who use marijuana when compared to people who don't use. People who started using marijuana at an early age are more likely to suffer from anxiety and depression in early adulthood.

A new study shows that smoking marijuana is associated with a 40% increase risk of psychosis. << Source: NIDA. Marijuana: Facts for Teens, 2009

3. Communism in that sense you are right. But if you say communism is a religion because it is based on belief then I think there will be a discussion between the fine line between religion and belief.Well communism is forcing people to become athiest right? If you don't agree better read some communism and religion...

We'll define communism for you;

A system of government in which the state plans and controls the economy and a single, often authoritarian party holds power, claiming to make progress toward a higher social order in which all goods are equally shared by the people.

Isn't this the same thing what christianity in the first place?

But as you go on with it, communism IS NOT ATHEISM. Now, that is misconception.

Well communism is forcing people to become athiest right? If you don't agree better read some communism and religion...

No, that conclusion does not follow. Atheism itself isn't a principle, cause, philosophy, or belief system which people fight, die, or kill for. Being killed by an atheist is no more being killed in the name of atheism than being killed by a tall person is being killed in the name of tallness. Communists typically regarded religious organizations as a hinderance towards the creation of a worker's paradise. Some religious groups also opposed the communists. Once again, we are generally looking at political issues, not a question of atheism.

Even if some people were killed simply because they followed a religion, it does not follow that they were killed in the name of atheism. Why? Because atheism is not inherently opposed to religion: it is possible to be both an atheist and religious and some religions are themselves atheistic. Atheism also isn't a belief system or ideology which can, by itself, inspire people to do things — good or bad.

To understand this better, consider times in the past when religion has been involved with violence — the Inquisition would be good. How many people were killed during the Inquisition in the name of theism? None. Those doing the killing acted not because of theism, but rather because of Christian doctrines. The belief system is what inspired people to act (sometimes for good, sometimes for ill). The single belief of theism, however, did not.

communism certainly inspired people to act and gave them motivations to do certain things, but atheism — which is the absence of a belief and not even a belief itself — did not. Now, do you understand why communism is also religion?

[bluedes]

Good Question brad. For me knowing the dogma of my belief gives me a chalk line between White and Black. As for the dream of peace, of course that can be attainable for a few people... But for global peace I think the discussion of right and wrong is the first basic step to achieve Peace. If this cannot be settled then its impossible in this lifetime brad, some people just cant be indifferent about it. To remove religion in the life of people is to make a new generation that suppress religion from them... Only then the new breed will go on without God, or is it? That I do not know. One thing is certain, we cannot have peace but we can be indifferent about belief...

This is my personal opinion brad no need for further discussion about it. What about you fish? How do you percieve life without religion...

mu-butt-in ko sa inyong discussion.. nabalik nko sugbo na gyud..

may i inquire further, how or why do you perceive the case that the new generation will have the attitude of suppressing religion from them? isn't the other way around....? religion being suppressed always on the incoming new generation? just asking ngano ka-ingon ka ani brad.. please explain lng sa imong thoughts..

[kebot]

There it is! So, your decision is not based on society but what you have gained. I say it again, morality is not dictated by society because it's dependent on person to person.


Ask yourself sir kebot, how is not convincing while your organs are in danger when you smoke? You smoke di ba? Can you convince yourself that it is not dangerous? How is not dangerous while you're inhaling carbon monoxide? Let me educate you what Pot or Weed is all about. Marijuana is a green, brown, or gray mixture of dried, shredded leaves, stems, seeds, and flowers of the hemp plant. Marijuana has a chemical in it called tetrahydrocannabinol, better known as THC. All forms of marijuana are mind-altering (psychoactive). In other words, they change how the brain works. A lot of other chemicals are found in marijuana, too — about 400 of them, some of which are carcinogenic. Marijuana is addictive with a primary diagnosis of dependence than for all other illicit drugs combined.

Using marijuana can also lead to disturbed perceptions and thoughts, and marijuana use can worsen psychotic symptoms in people who have schizophrenia. Additionally, there are higher rates of depression, anxiety, and suicidal thinking among people who use marijuana when compared to people who don't use. People who started using marijuana at an early age are more likely to suffer from anxiety and depression in early adulthood.

A new study shows that smoking marijuana is associated with a 40% increase risk of psychosis. << Source: NIDA. Marijuana: Facts for Teens, 2009

We'll define communism for you;

A system of government in which the state plans and controls the economy and a single, often authoritarian party holds power, claiming to make progress toward a higher social order in which all goods are equally shared by the people.

Isn't this the same thing what christianity in the first place?

But as you go on with it, communism IS NOT ATHEISM. Now, that is misconception.


No, that conclusion does not follow. Atheism itself isn't a principle, cause, philosophy, or belief system which people fight, die, or kill for. Being killed by an atheist is no more being killed in the name of atheism than being killed by a tall person is being killed in the name of tallness. Communists typically regarded religious organizations as a hinderance towards the creation of a worker's paradise. Some religious groups also opposed the communists. Once again, we are generally looking at political issues, not a question of atheism.

Even if some people were killed simply because they followed a religion, it does not follow that they were killed in the name of atheism. Why? Because atheism is not inherently opposed to religion: it is possible to be both an atheist and religious and some religions are themselves atheistic. Atheism also isn't a belief system or ideology which can, by itself, inspire people to do things — good or bad.

To understand this better, consider times in the past when religion has been involved with violence — the Inquisition would be good. How many people were killed during the Inquisition in the name of theism? None. Those doing the killing acted not because of theism, but rather because of Christian doctrines. The belief system is what inspired people to act (sometimes for good, sometimes for ill). The single belief of theism, however, did not.

communism certainly inspired people to act and gave them motivations to do certain things, but atheism — which is the absence of a belief and not even a belief itself — did not. Now, do you understand why communism is also religion?

1. so your answer in this thread, is YOU yourself govern right or wrong. Ok..
2. SMOKING IS BAD. Cigarettes vs Marijuana
3. Are you saying athiesm is NOT certainly inspired people to act and gave them motivation to do certain things? <------- i don't know brad

[regnauld]

You govern what is right and what is wrong for you! In other words, there is no such thing as absolute right and wrong!
There is only what works and what doesn't work!

[kebot]

mu-butt-in ko sa inyong discussion.. nabalik nko sugbo na gyud..

may i inquire further, how or why do you perceive the case that the new generation will have the attitude of suppressing religion from them? isn't the other way around....? religion being suppressed always on the incoming new generation? just asking ngano ka-ingon ka ani brad.. please explain lng sa imong thoughts..

WTF. Read previous posts pls... Its not me going to applying these things they ask me is there a way or chance we can live peace without god. Ask me a possible way to do it... wtf.... you reacting without knowing.

FAIL

[kebot]

You govern what is right and what is wrong for you! In other words, there is no such thing as absolute right and wrong!
There is only what works and what doesn't work!

Yea reg, I semi-agree with you because you cannot be absolutely RIGHT on this...

[regnauld]

Yea reg, I semi-agree with you because you cannot be absolutely RIGHT on this...

And what do you think is ABSOLUTE RIGHT and WRONG?

[kebot]

And what do you think is ABSOLUTE RIGHT and WRONG?

not even science can do absolute...

you know my answer.

nah, lets just stand on what you believe reg. if there is no absolute so be it.

[regnauld]

not even science can do absolute...

you know my answer.

nah, lets just stand on what you believe reg. if there is no absolute so be it.

Yes...rememeber the Theory of Relativity? Everything is Relative in the universe!

I respect your belief too!