If there is no God, Who Governs Right or Wrong?

[Hellblazer 2.1]

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lol no not the smiley but the original posts. you are not reg, i deem your smiley true when you post them hhahahahaah amawa jud ani niya oi cge mo ug istorya ni reg sa? misumbong tingale to nimo nga gisamokan ko sa iyang smiley, that's what friends are for.

oh, i think you're assuming things. no, mr.regnauld and i have not been in communication as of late. he's busy with his teaching. and i, on my work. i've read of your dislike for smileys here in the forums actually. now, which original posts are you talking about, hands?

[handsoff241]

hahaha mao ba? yeah i understand you guys are decent professionals; good thing you read and noted my terrible hate for reg's over used smileys' lolz.

forget that sarcasm hell, wala man to nako dib-diba anyway I see your point wala lang jud ko ka trip sa way of delivering it. smiley oh

[kebot]

Sir, that write up is 6 years old. You have to update yourself to 2009. Try researching CDC websites, they are updated. Also, that's one of the reason why it's illegal to most country because there are causes of ill-effect. You just said it yourself that there is potential cancer risks as smoking...


To be frank sir kebot and I think you have misled by others as well. Marijuana slows down your brain and reflexes, and does kill brain cells. If you know any "stoners" then you know they are pretty dumb. People who smoke a lot of marijuana have mood problems also. Marijuana is addictive, which means that the more you smoke, the more you want to smoke. Damage caused by marijuana is usually permanent. In addition, people who use illegal drugs like marijuana usually break other laws as well - they steal and lie and cheat in order to get more drugs - and that leads to going to jail, which can also be bad for you!

I know this because I work in a Hospital and I am a nurse.


Don't you think that COMMUNISM IS A STATE OF BELIEF? These people are so much convinced about their "believe" that they fiercely challenge you if you only try to criticize their "believe" (their "religion"). "In praise of our leaders", "Following the rules of the Great Chairman".


Right or wrong is relative. Meaning society does not govern morality. Society shouldn't even be collectively seen as a moral entity. It should be seen as a community of people that have individual ideas. If they collectively believe that murder is right, that doesn't make murder right. If it is acceptable to kill someone unjustly in the society... the fact that we can even discern the idea of things being just and unjust proves that murder is universally wrong.

What's there to convince? apparently right or wrong is dependent on your own. Society does not dictate that your behavior towards your fellowmen are awkward and rudely blatant, that's your choice. Your personal choice!

Of course we don't have experiences about communism BUT we can discuss it and read more about it. The fact is that we enough good understanding about communism. Communism is not governed by society either it's a choice chosen by their leaders.

Abortion? What about it? In christian world it is immoral but universally we know that is life taken and it's universally wrong.

Wow nice posts. I think I can conclude your Right or Wrong is based on what you think alone not society as factors of those evaluation(right & wrong). You said its a personal choice right? Well, as long as you don't fail on this on a critical situation then its gud for you. But its seems your limit is your own capacity to think well I respect it.

You work in hospital right? well those who are diagnosed are indeed dumb. Why? because they abuse it. A hospital does not represent a case of the users, but rehab i think. Well those claim of yours are drug addict I think not weed users. There might be misconception between the two... Cigarette and Cigars are far more dangerous than weed, according to science. Too much of something is BAD. Addiction defy this thats why they are dumb.

Nice posts then, communism... so if a state of belief is a religion, then everyone has religion right? athiest I think oppose to this, but i cannot speak for them. Higher form of Belief is Faith. Religion usually is based on Faith. I think we have a little inclination of ideas. But I do not say I am right nor you are right. Its Ideas... hehehe.

[Hellblazer 2.1]

hahaha mao ba? yeah i understand you guys are decent professionals; good thing you read and noted my terrible hate for reg's over used smileys' lolz.

forget that sarcasm hell, wala man to nako dib-diba anyway I see your point wala lang jud ko ka trip sa way of delivering it. smiley oh

and here's a smiley back...

[handsoff241]

I hope it's real.

[SORBETES]

lol. ang discussion ni.abot naman ug marijuana ug money2x uie. pero maau rsad kai psabot ana we're keeping the discussion alive by supporting our claims with facts.

anyway, comment lang ku kadjut ani.

mao ni ingon ni handsoff241: "We need knowledge to govern what is right or wrong, and conscience to police it."

and mao ni counter ni springfield:

OK le me ask you this , how will a person who is a NO READ and NO WRITE set himself or herself in the society as an HONEST CITIZEN since dili ta mo gamit ug GOOD CHRISTIAN una ?

No read and no write is ILLITERATE. Being illiterate doesn't necessarily mean nga wala na'y knowledge. A person can still have a sense of what is right and wrong even without knowing how to read and write. After all, knowledge is not only based on one's literacy.

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But then again, knowledge does not wholly govern what is right or wrong. Naa bya mga instances nga we know that it's wrong and yet we still do it. I still think right or wrong is subjective - depends on the belief of the individual and all the factors that could affect such belief, like iyang environment, society he lives in, etc.

Pero mao sad lagi, being subjective, who draws the clear line between right or wrong? Mawala nah ang distinction. So we're back to the question.

The social contract theory works for me, when viewed as a whole. Pero not every member in a society functions with the same goal or belief in mind. If mu.defy xa sah norm of society, does that mean wrong xa when to him, iyang gbuhat is sakto?

Argh. Asta ako ng.libog nah.

[tripwire]

Wow nice posts. I think I can conclude your Right or Wrong is based on what you think alone not society as factors of those evaluation(right & wrong). You said its a personal choice right? Well, as long as you don't fail on this on a critical situation then its gud for you. But its seems your limit is your own capacity to think well I respect it.

Let me ask you sir, who decides your choices? Society or you? Example, when you steal... does society tells you that it's wrong to steal? You will know that first and foremost that it is wrong to steal and it is right not to steal. I think my capacity to think is not of your concern. The discussion is about morality and society and the situation falls in your own.

You work in hospital right? well those who are diagnosed are indeed dumb. Why? because they abuse it. A hospital does not represent a case of the users, but rehab i think. Well those claim of yours are drug addict I think not weed users. There might be misconception between the two... Cigarette and Cigars are far more dangerous than weed, according to science. Too much of something is BAD. Addiction defy this thats why they are dumb.

Sir, you started an argument about health issues using pot. I gave you that symptoms and factual basis what pot can do yourself. Di ba you claimed that "still there is no convincing evidence that marijuana is bad". I gave you all the facts and here you said "misconception...". Inherent to what the discussion is that pot can cause health problems. I don't believe that for years of using weed for the purpose of medicinal values will not lead to health problems. Don't you agree? You inhale a smoke... that's a risk for your internal organs.

Nice posts then, communism... so if a state of belief is a religion, then everyone has religion right? athiest I think oppose to this, but i cannot speak for them. Higher form of Belief is Faith. Religion usually is based on Faith. I think we have a little inclination of ideas. But I do not say I am right nor you are right. Its Ideas... hehehe.

You got it all wrong. Communism has leaders and people follow them. Atheist don't follow anyone except themselves. Communism is an organized entity... atheism isn't. I don't see a church for the atheists or a government of atheists. They are individual people who made a choice for themselves.

[kebot]

Let me ask you sir, who decides your choices? Society or you? Example, when you steal... does society tells you that it's wrong to steal? You will know that first and foremost that it is wrong to steal and it is right not to steal. I think my capacity to think is not of your concern. The discussion is about morality and society and the situation falls in your own.


Sir, you started an argument about health issues using pot. I gave you that symptoms and factual basis what pot can do yourself. Di ba you claimed that "still there is no convincing evidence that marijuana is bad". I gave you all the facts and here you said "misconception...". Inherent to what the discussion is that pot can cause health problems. I don't believe that for years of using weed for the purpose of medicinal values will not lead to health problems. Don't you agree? You inhale a smoke... that's a risk for your internal organs.

You got it all wrong. Communism has leaders and people follow them. Atheist don't follow anyone except themselves. Communism is an organized entity... atheism isn't. I don't see a church for the atheists or a government of atheists. They are individual people who made a choice for themselves.

1. I decide my choices brad, based on the teaching of my dogma. But I obey the laws of the land (balaod).
2. Smoking is indeed bad cannot argue on this. But to point out that marijuana is more hazardous than cigarette, I say Im not convinced by the findings you have presented.
3. Communism in that sense you are right. But if you say communism is a religion because it is based on belief then I think there will be a discussion between the fine line between religion and belief.Well communism is forcing people to become athiest right? If you don't agree better read some communism and religion...

[flying fish]

Mr kebot allow me to ask specific question & may i remind you before hand that i havent read the previous discussions here so kindly excuse my ignorance,
In your personal opinion would it be possible for humans to go on with their lives living peacefully knowing what is justice and fairness w/o the intervention of god concept or of the necessity of religion?

[kebot]

Mr kebot allow me to ask specific question & may i remind you before hand that i havent read the previous discussions here so kindly excuse my ignorance,
In your personal opinion would it be possible for humans to go on with their lives living peacefully knowing what is justice and fairness w/o the intervention of god concept or of the necessity of religion?

Good Question brad. For me knowing the dogma of my belief gives me a chalk line between White and Black. As for the dream of peace, of course that can be attainable for a few people... But for global peace I think the discussion of right and wrong is the first basic step to achieve Peace. If this cannot be settled then its impossible in this lifetime brad, some people just cant be indifferent about it. To remove religion in the life of people is to make a new generation that suppress religion from them... Only then the new breed will go on without God, or is it? That I do not know. One thing is certain, we cannot have peace but we can be indifferent about belief...

This is my personal opinion brad no need for further discussion about it. What about you fish? How do you percieve life without religion...