Did Jesus have any sibblings?

[Fri13th]

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Proving Mary have Children after Jesus does Not Mean Disrespect - Its placing Mary where she should be.

Yes, I agree with you bro. I think we share the same belief. But that was not I was trying to say about mary, anyways, I still agree with you.

[Fri13th]

Wala man intawn na nagsabong dodong FRI . Both camp are only presenting topics to talk about . What 1 agrees and 1 disagrees . The only sad thing is when someone who doesnt belong to neither one ang makisawsaw and gets out of bounds .

You should be preying on these people , not on the individuals who are RC's and Protestants . How to identify them ? Its not my problem anymore but yours , thats why its a forum because if thats how you see a discussion and interprets it as SABONG , why are you here in the first place ?

Ahh, so dili na sabong inyung mga tinubagan sa usag-usa. Basaha ko nog balik imong mga tubag sa uban diri? Ug gi-dodong pud ko nimo, wala ka kahibalo mas tigulang pa ko nimo. anyway, what I'm trying to say is "hope someday magka unite ra jud ta balik tanan mga Christians kay wala jud modaog nato if mag sige tag debate and wala nalipay si Christ ana."

[A-LifeAquaticHub]

Believe on what? Where can we Get the knowledge of that something to whom we are going to believe? if di man kaha ta musalig sa Bibliya, asa man tah mangita sa kamatuoran sa butang nga atung TUOHAN? google?

Unsa man imu matawag sa ato brothers and sister in other beliefs and those mga katutubo ? They will be Called GENTILE they will be judge basi sa ilang gebuhat sa ilang kinabuhe kung angay ba sila mo sulod sa kingdom sa atong panginoon.. I think kitang tanan siblings of Jesus...
usa pa sad dili ra bible ang pwede nimu katuohan QU'RAN and etc.. expand your knowledge and not be isolate in what you have learn since pagkagamay pa.. Mahirap na ituwid ang puno nang bayabas pag matanda na...

[SioDenz]

Unsa man imu matawag sa ato brothers and sister in other beliefs and those mga katutubo ? They will be Called GENTILE they will be judge basi sa ilang gebuhat sa ilang kinabuhe kung angay ba sila mo sulod sa kingdom sa atong panginoon.. I think kitang tanan siblings of Jesus...
usa pa sad dili ra bible ang pwede nimu katuohan QU'RAN and etc.. expand your knowledge and not be isolate in what you have learn since pagkagamay pa.. Mahirap na ituwid ang puno nang bayabas pag matanda na...

Nganu mutuo man kag Quran nya mutoo sad ka Bibliya nga lahi man na sila ug sinuwat. If naa kay tuhuan ISA di kay Tanan. Sa Quran si Kristo Propeta sa Bibliya si Kristo Anak sa Dios, Ginoo. Same diay na sila? nya pwedi diay natu tuohan sila Duha nga managlahi man na sila ug teachings. Mao bitaw nay atung tuyo unta nganu makig diskusyon tah para makat-on tah sa kamatuoran UG mag identify natu asa ang Tinuod. Di ta mag Diskusyon para TUHUAN natu tanan pagtuo or religion kay di na mao. if naay sakto ISA ra ug mao nay atung pangitaon.

[WengIA]

[QUOTE=SPRINGFIELD_XD_40;12895250]This is a repost of my reply . if you really are into the discussion other than for the sake of proving something , take time to read it .

This is an age old question thrown by the PROTESTANTS to the ROMAN CATHOLICS .

To basically answer the question , one should analize first the question both biblically and in commonsense to reconcile both the people who relies on the bible and those who thinks logically .

Try to compare MT. 27:56 and MK 15:40 , it is said thee that the Virgin Mary had a sister named like herself who was the wife of CLopas or Alpheus( variety of the same name ) and who had two sons , James the Less and Joses as claimed as the brothers of Jesus .

Another instance also for commonsense reasoning , when Jesus was 12 years old and was lost in the temple , as claimed or interpreted that he has 4 brothers and 2 sisters , bringing the acocunt to space them evenly in their respective ages . James must be 10 , Joses must be 8 , Judah must be 6 , and Simon must be 4 . Considering on that gaps , the sisters must be 2 and the other must still be unborn . The Virgin Mary went on to trek 70 kilometers in 3 days one way . Is it possible ? NO .

So prior to coming up with questions like these , one should consider also to answer the difficulty of what is realistic . dili lang ang unsay atong interpretation because we cant reconcile or for the sake of discussion lang . So now you guys see a part of the answer that is biblical and what makes sense .

Other than that , this is the belief of the ROMAN CATHOLICS today . That is because the RC's of the yesteryears knew better and these are all inheretance of belief's as what they knew as they were really there . The basic error of non believers to this doctrine is the fact tht they dont have no other source of information except the bible . Mind you , all these interpretations carry different meanings abhoring what carries an advantage to their leverage without any valid foundation .

Great example of these are the conclusions of a one great family of 4 brothers and 2 sisters must be recollected that ADELPHOI which is translated " brethren " may also signify " cousins " .

Gi unsa nimo pagka hibalo na they are COUPLES ? Although I agree with you that S3X is a gift from God that is why it is sacred but you have to establish first that Joseph and Mary are couples . Mary never went to normal if you define it as something out of the ordinary , she did not even die .

@MACHINECULT ...

Unless you can present a source that portrays no bias in the contents of their respective site then that would be reliable .

hinumduman nato boss nga naa sad si Mary the mother if Jesus ana nga time wala jud nay clear kung si Mary nga iya igsuon ang gipasabot ana nga Verses.

another evidence boss ay Matthew 12:46-50 The Family of Jesus.. di na pod ko motuo nga cousin gihapon ni jesus ang gipasabot ana oi. Kuyog diay na lang ni Mary perme ang anak sa iyang igsuon?
"For whosoever shall do the will of my Father in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother." Mismo si Jesus nagsulti ani oh..gipakasama niya sa iyang pamilya sa kinsa kadtong mobuhat sa kabubut-on sa iyang Amahan nga atua sa Langit.

syempre kay husband and wife man sila mao couples jud sila abnormal ang usa ka couple kung walay pagsubmit sa iyang partner (1 Corinthians 7:3-5) .. and wala diay namatay si Mary boss? asa man na makita sa bible? It's clearly jud nga gipasobraan lang jud sa daan nga Simbahan kung unsa si Mary.. Wala man jud na gikatugutan sa Biblia nga hatagan nato dakong importansya si Mary nga i-idolize na sya ...it's a man-made ra jud na nga paagi. Gipadayag lang sa bible nga she is a chosen vessel or she is a chosen bearer nothing more on that..She was blessed and honored naman and i believe on that sadly most of our brothers and sisters gipakahimo na nilang idolo, ginaampuan, dalangpanan. She is a normal being like us not a deity that's why si Jesus 100% nga tao kay tungod tao iyang inahan makasasala.We don't need Mary na for our prayers.There is only one mediator between God and Man and that is Lord Jesus Christ.

[machinecult]

Its not about what but who .

Who do you think are the CHRISTIAN APOLOGETICS and RESEARCH MINISTRY ?

Show me a CATHOLIC WEBSITE that tells us that indeed MARY has other children other then JESUS CHRIST . That would make sense .

That'd be like looking for a Communist talking and writing books on how bad Communism is. Funny research it'll be.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

@RAISSAH ...

But I think this is not an issue whether protestante ka or Catholic ka. For me lang ha, if you read the bible and base your faith on the bible, mag wonder jud ka unsay mga meaning and unsay ipasabot anang uban nga mga pulong nga makita sa biblia.

Your points are valid when you say that each and everyone reads the bible but varies their interpretation. Who carries the valid interpretation ? Nobody really knows but for the consolation , I personally would lean on the interpretations and teachings older than anybody else. That is because it is an information passed on from one generation to the other. Who are these people ? Your wild guess would be my answer .

@KENSHIRO ...

One thing that amazed me is that you don't attack the information and facts but the person the provider of information.
This will lead then to senseless personal attacks rather than constructive critical examination of the information given.

This will lead to an actual constructive discussion because the leverage should should be in line to both parties who are exchanging ideas , not the ideas being exchanged . You know why ? Because this is an issue long been discussed way back even siguro panahon pa lang sa reformation . How much more kita na ni dawat na lanbg ug information and seats where we comfortable at ?

Martin Luther never came up with a protest for the sake of protest it was through a careful study of the scriptures on how the Papacy has corrupted and clearly violated the Biblical doctrines.

It is not a careful study bai , it is more on something he does not disagree with during those turbulent times of Christianity . Mind you , Martin Luther was an Augustinian monk , under the philosophy and teachings of St. Augustine of Hippo , considered as one of the church's greatest doctors and faith defender .

It doesn't make any sense but its blind obedience in its purest form. There is no credibility but secretivity.
That is why most of you says the Bible is not reliable because you yourself distorted its doctrine and its meaning.

Most Catholics ? Haha ! You are clearly joking bai . How can one distort the meaning of the doctrines when that someone is the oldest practicing Christian denomination ? Mao bitaw pwerting daghana versions sa bible karon.

What if the pope tells you to eat shit then it doesn't matter what it is right? Since you don't question on what but who told you. This is clearly blind obedience.
How do you know if the person is credible? Because someone told you that someone is credible? Then how do you know if that someone that told someone is credible because that someone is told by someone who is credible. It goes on and on.

You are clearly living the age of modern times . That only justifies that the person you consider as authority is just . When the pope was selected to accept the task , wala na siya gi pugos , wala na siya mapya , wala na siya gi appoint etc . Unless you are talking about the black popes and the church leaders of the dark ages , daghan questionable gyud . This will direct you on the changes over the years . The change for the better .

Ikaw protestante ka ? What makes you think that you should follow Martin Luther's teachings also ? How sure are you that he is right ? Unless di ka protestant then it wont make any sense to you .

@FRI ...

Ahh, so dili na sabong inyung mga tinubagan sa usag-usa. Basaha ko nog balik imong mga tubag sa uban diri? Ug gi-dodong pud ko nimo, wala ka kahibalo mas tigulang pa ko nimo. anyway, what I'm trying to say is "hope someday magka unite ra jud ta balik tanan mga Christians kay wala jud modaog nato if mag sige tag debate and wala nalipay si Christ ana."

Actually ... ang word na sabong imong gi intend sa isa ka away . Walay away nahitabo lage diri dodong . Unless ang interpretation nimo sa mga pagbadlong nako is aka sabong , I dont give a horsecrap kung maguwang ka nako but that kind of mindset only proves htat you are a DODONG .

Ang issue ngari is dili si Christ but si Mary .

@WengIA ...

Yes wala namatay si Mary . You wont find that in the bible because you wont see the sentence there that states " MARY DID NOT DIE " and instead you will configure that MARY ASSUMED INTO HEAVEN . That is based on the 3 Marian Dogma's that are very important to the teachings of the Roman Catholic church . When Mary was concieved without original sin , it is only rightful that her body and soul went straight to heaven because it is incorruptable .

Here is a good read with sensible reasonings that clearly indiciates no SOLA SCRIPTURA .

Assumed into Heaven

Wala man jud na gikatugutan sa Biblia nga hatagan nato dakong importansya si Mary nga i-idolize na sya ...it's a man-made ra jud na nga paagi. Gipadayag lang sa bible nga she is a chosen vessel or she is a chosen bearer nothing more on that..She was blessed and honored naman and i believe on that sadly most of our brothers and sisters gipakahimo na nilang idolo, ginaampuan, dalangpanan. She is a normal being like us not a deity that's why si Jesus 100% nga tao kay tungod tao iyang inahan makasasala.We don't need Mary na for our prayers.There is only one mediator between God and Man and that is Lord Jesus Christ.

I dont know where to start with you . Are you a Protestant bai ? If you are then you have to re read your BIBLE again , you will see a lot of inconsistencies and discrepancies sa statements nimo maski mo follow ka sa SCRIPTURE ALONE na dogma .

By the way , add on lang ko . What word man na DISTINCT kaayo but never ni nimo makita sa BIBLIYA gyud?

another evidence boss ay Matthew 12:46-50 The Family of Jesus.. di na pod ko motuo nga cousin gihapon ni jesus ang gipasabot ana oi. Kuyog diay na lang ni Mary perme ang anak sa iyang igsuon?
"For whosoever shall do the will of my Father in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother." Mismo si Jesus nagsulti ani oh..gipakasama niya sa iyang pamilya sa kinsa kadtong mobuhat sa kabubut-on sa iyang Amahan nga atua sa Langit.

Unless ni basa ka sa reply nako ni RAISSAH sa page 2 man siguro , this would be redundant . Heck I can even call you brother because iSTORYAN ka . Does that make us brothers ? YES why not ! Does that make you the son of my mother ? You tell me .

[A-LifeAquaticHub]

Nganu mutuo man kag Quran nya mutoo sad ka Bibliya nga lahi man na sila ug sinuwat. If naa kay tuhuan ISA di kay Tanan. Sa Quran si Kristo Propeta sa Bibliya si Kristo Anak sa Dios, Ginoo. Same diay na sila? nya pwedi diay natu tuohan sila Duha nga managlahi man na sila ug teachings. Mao bitaw nay atung tuyo unta nganu makig diskusyon tah para makat-on tah sa kamatuoran UG mag identify natu asa ang Tinuod. Di ta mag Diskusyon para TUHUAN natu tanan pagtuo or religion kay di na mao. if naay sakto ISA ra ug mao nay atung pangitaon.

if naay sakto ra ug mao nay atung pangitaon dayun ingnan ko nimu tuo ka Quran Tuo Kag bible basaha ug ayo naa nay etc.. not only Quran & bible but include all the holy books kapuya ba ani sir oi, Wa ko nituo ug Quran wa pud ko nituo ug 100% sa bible mao btaw ako gpangita ang tinuod sa tanan.. In proper ways of judging you should open your mind in both parties dili kay mag focus raka sa usa mao na ako pasabot examine all possible evidence that you have gather kay mag focus raka ug bible, itudlo jud ana pang kristyano ra so ikaw mismo dili ka mag wonder.... As far as i concerned we are all siblings of jesus..

Did Jesus ever say the exact words "I am God?"
No, Jesus never said the exact three words, "I am God". But Jesus also never said the exact four words, "I am a prophet" or the exact four words "I am a man," but we know he was both a prophet and a man. It is not necessary for Jesus to say the exact phrase "I am a man" for us to know that he was a man. Likewise, it is not necessary for Jesus to utter the exact three words "I am God" in order for us to determine whether or not he is divine. Jesus may not have said the exact sentence "I am God" but he did claim the divine name for himself (Exo. 3:14 with John 8:5 and he also received worship (Matt. 2:2; 14:33; 28:9; John 9:35-3.

When Moses was up at the Mount speaking to God, Moses asked God what his name was. God said, "I AM WHO I AM"; and He said, 'Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel,' 'I AM has sent me to you,' (Exodus 3:14). In John 8:58 Jesus said, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am." Right after this the Jews picked up stones to throw at him. Later, in John 10:30-33 Jesus claimed to be one with the Father and the Jews wanted to stone him again because they said to Jesus, "You, being a man, make yourself out to be God." Jesus had claimed the divine name for his own and the Jews wanted to kill him for it. Therefore, from Jesus' own mouth we see that he was claiming to be God.

[necrotic freak]

sus panahon paman ni sa SnO thread sauna nga pangutana, hehe pwerting lantugi namo ani sa mga taga dating daan.

kanang gihisgutan sa bibliya nga brothers of Jesus, anak na ni Jose sa una niyang asawa. teenager pa si maria gi paris na sila ni Jose nga usa ka byudo ug dunay nga anak.

[Aphiemi]

share lang ko. para nako walay problema kong naa bay igsoon si Jesus or wala kay di man na maka apekto sa iyang pagka divine.

then wlay problema pod if Mary is not a virgin, di man pod na maka apekto sa pagka divine ni Hesus.

ang mgka problema ra ani kay ang mga Marian kay mo agi man gud sila ni Mary. So katong dili motoo sa Marian theology diretso man kay Jesus so walay problema. Mao ng its better nga diretso na lang ta ni Hesus, ingon bitaw siya nga I am the way, the truth and the life.