***truth about jesus christ!

[Resurgence]

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You see it is through this statement that the sin of man is forgiven. DO not complicate things.

With these verses it clearly shows that the purpose of Christ sacrifice was for the forgiveness of mans sins. It is because of Sin that christ has to suffer.






Its all over the bible. I have proofs and sources.

the Divininty of Christ is further elaborated - this portrays Christ higher power and authority over any other created beings in heaven.



Don't be duped by your pastor. You have explanations but its not biblical and you seemed to manufacture your own reasons with no proofs and sources.
That is why I invite you as a fellow believer to open your eyes to the false churches.

And where is the answer to my question? It's a simple question. If you're answer that Christ's crucifiction is for the benefit to mankind, then why should I listen to you or any pastor? I and everybody else is already "saved|. Why should I have to go to church if I am already saved because Jesus died on the cross for me? Do you see the flaw of your logic sir? I am saved already because Christ died on the cross for me, why should I listen to any pastor or even you? Your theory is very dangerous, because people will just say, "Oh, Christ died on the cross for me. I can enjoy my life. I can do whatever I want because Christ died for me." And please, do you even know the interpretations of the verses you quoted sir? Then let me quote some as well.

Even one of the criminals that was crucified along with Jesus was CONDEMNING his crucifiction: "And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us.
But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?
And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.(Luke 23:39-41)".

If your theory is correct, then you and every other "preacher" of the Bible don't have and will never have any right to preach, because we are already saved, even though we don't believe. As you say, Christ died for all mankind, believers and non-believers alike. Your theory eradicates the purpose of repentance, asking for forgiveness from God, being pious, and penitence. Who said I was duped? I could say the same thing to you sir. Since you "glorify" Jesus' crucifiction, then you are practically the same and in league with Judas, Caiaphas, the Pharisees, and all those who conspired to crucify God's beloved. As for me, I will still and will always prefer a Jesus Christ that isn't stuck on a cross, teaching me how to love God, rather than a Jesus Christ suffering for something he never did. Your portrayal of the Supreme Lord is that HE is the SUPREME SADIST, because he enjoys giving PAIN AND SUFFERING TO HIS OWN SON. Again, THE LAWS OF LOVE. IF YOU TRULY LOVE SOMEONE, YOU WOULD NOT STAND OR EVEN BEAR THE THOUGHT OF SOMEONE YOU LOVE GO THROUGH EXTREME SUFFERING. As the saying goes, "God is Love."

Trying saying to any father here, "Dear sir, here's an offering that would please you: the blood of your Son." See if he would be happy. Since we are made in God's image, imagine his reaction to seeing his beloved Son crucified. You don't have to be a Bible scholar to understand the relationship between a Father and his Son. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if God has rejected the world altogether because a majority of its people glorify his Son's crucifiction.

Now the question comes, If Jesus' crucifiction was not "good", why did God allow it? God gives each and every one of us FREEDOM. This includes the freedom to ACCEPT or REJECT his Son. Can you tell me of any other worse rejection of God's beloved Son other than crucifying him? Which is worse, actually listening and applying Jesus' FIRST and FOREMOST COMMANDMENT to your daily life or glorifying the Supreme Lord's Son being crucified?

And please, ANSWER ME DIRECTLY. No more beating around the bush. ANSWER DIRECTLY if you truly feel that Christ's crucifiction is "for the good of all". Then, if you're answer is thus, you would have to agree with what I have posted.

[Resurgence]

Yes for those who follow and accept christ teachings. But Christ death is an essential part of our salvation since this is the payment for our sins in the Past. The payment of sin is death Christ is the substitute to take our place. So that we may live.

If Christ wouldn't have died then we need to pay the penalty of sins by which is death and eternal separation from God and we can never be forgiven


This verse shows that christ died for us so that we may follow him. We may live in accordance to christ teachings.
Well It doesn't say that christ didn't need to die and we can just follow his teachings.

If this is so, then why are so many people DYING every day? Isn't Christ's death enough? Why do faithful Catholics still die sir? Since they already "believe" in Christ, why do they die? Why does everybody here die? Since Christ already gave his life so "we may live"?

[Kenshiro]

And where is the answer to my question? It's a simple question. If you're answer that Christ's crucifiction is for the benefit to mankind, then why should I listen to you or any pastor? I and everybody else is already "saved|. Why should I have to go to church if I am already saved because Jesus died on the cross for me? Do you see the flaw of your logic sir? I am saved already because Christ died on the cross for me, why should I listen to any pastor or even you? Your theory is very dangerous, because people will just say, "Oh, Christ died on the cross for me. I can enjoy my life. I can do whatever I want because Christ died for me." And please, do you even know the interpretations of the verses you quoted sir? Then let me quote some as well.

Even one of the criminals that was crucified along with Jesus was CONDEMNING his crucifiction: "And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us.
But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?
And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.(Luke 23:39-41)".

If your theory is correct, then you and every other "preacher" of the Bible don't have and will never have any right to preach, because we are already saved, even though we don't believe. As you say, Christ died for all mankind, believers and non-believers alike. Your theory eradicates the purpose of repentance, asking for forgiveness from God, being pious, and penitence. Who said I was duped? I could say the same thing to you sir. Since you "glorify" Jesus' crucifiction, then you are practically the same and in league with Judas, Caiaphas, the Pharisees, and all those who conspired to crucify God's beloved. As for me, I will still and will always prefer a Jesus Christ that isn't stuck on a cross, teaching me how to love God, rather than a Jesus Christ suffering for something he never did. Your portrayal of the Supreme Lord is that HE is the SUPREME SADIST, because he enjoys giving PAIN AND SUFFERING TO HIS OWN SON. Again, THE LAWS OF LOVE. IF YOU TRULY LOVE SOMEONE, YOU WOULD NOT STAND OR EVEN BEAR THE THOUGHT OF SOMEONE YOU LOVE GO THROUGH EXTREME SUFFERING. As the saying goes, "God is Love."

Trying saying to any father here, "Dear sir, here's an offering that would please you: the blood of your Son." See if he would be happy. Since we are made in God's image, imagine his reaction to seeing his beloved Son crucified. You don't have to be a Bible scholar to understand the relationship between a Father and his Son. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if God has rejected the world altogether because a majority of its people glorify his Son's crucifiction.

Now the question comes, If Jesus' crucifiction was not "good", why did God allow it? God gives each and every one of us FREEDOM. This includes the freedom to ACCEPT or REJECT his Son. Can you tell me of any other worse rejection of God's beloved Son other than crucifying him? Which is worse, actually listening and applying Jesus' FIRST and FOREMOST COMMANDMENT to your daily life or glorifying the Supreme Lord's Son being crucified?

And please, ANSWER ME DIRECTLY. No more beating around the bush. ANSWER DIRECTLY if you truly feel that Christ's crucifiction is "for the good of all". Then, if you're answer is thus, you would have to agree with what I have posted.

And where is the answer to my question? It's a simple question. If you're answer that Christ's crucifiction is for the benefit to mankind, then why should I listen to you or any pastor? I and everybody else is already "saved|. Why should I have to go to church if I am already saved because Jesus died on the cross for me? Do you see the flaw of your logic sir? I am saved already because Christ died on the cross for me, why should I listen to any pastor or even you? Your theory is very dangerous, because people will just say, "Oh, Christ died on the cross for me. I can enjoy my life. I can do whatever I want because Christ died for me." And please, do you even know the interpretations of the verses you quoted sir? Then let me quote some as well.

Those who accept christ teachings will be forgiven.
Those who don't will not. simple analogy sir. But I will say that a crimminal who repents and follow christ will be forgiven.

But christ sacrifice was necessary

For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

so that we may live

He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; by his wounds you have been healed.

for all have sinned

for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Now the question comes, If Jesus' crucifiction was not "good", why did God allow it? God gives each and every one of us FREEDOM. This includes the freedom to ACCEPT or REJECT his Son. Can you tell me of any other worse rejection of God's beloved Son other than crucifying him? Which is worse, actually listening and applying Jesus' FIRST and FOREMOST COMMANDMENT to your daily life or glorifying the Supreme Lord's Son being crucified?

Remember Jesus Bore the results of our sins which is also the separation of God from us he bore this emptiness as well

about the 9th hour that Jesus was on the cross, He "cried with a loud voice, saying, 'Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?' That is to say, 'My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?'

Trying saying to any father here, "Dear sir, here's an offering that would please you: the blood of your Son." See if he would be happy. Since we are made in God's image, imagine his reaction to seeing his beloved Son crucified. You don't have to be a Bible scholar to understand the relationship between a Father and his Son. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if God has rejected the world altogether because a majority of its people glorify his Son's crucifiction.

Some time later God tested Abraham. He said to him, "Abraham!"

"Here I am," he replied.

Then God said, "Take your son, your only son, Isaac, whom you love, and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains I will tell you about."

Early the next morning Abraham got up and saddled his donkey. He took with him two of his servants and his son Isaac. When he had cut enough wood for the burnt offering, he set out for the place God had told him about. On the third day Abraham looked up and saw the place in the distance. He said to his servants, "Stay here with the donkey while I and the boy go over there. We will worship and then we will come back to you."

Abraham took the wood for the burnt offering and placed it on his son Isaac, and he himself carried the fire and the knife. As the two of them went on together, Isaac spoke up and said to his father Abraham, "Father?"

"Yes, my son?" Abraham replied.

"The fire and wood are here," Isaac said, "but where is the lamb for the burnt offering?"

Abraham answered, "God himself will provide the lamb for the burnt offering, my son." And the two of them went on together.

When they reached the place God had told him about, Abraham built an altar there and arranged the wood on it. He bound his son Isaac and laid him on the altar, on top of the wood. Then he reached out his hand and took the knife to slay his son. But the angel of the LORD called out to him from heaven, "Abraham! Abraham!"

"Here I am," he replied.

"Do not lay a hand on the boy," he said. "Do not do anything to him. Now I know that you fear God, because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son."

ANd the result is

I will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and will give them all these lands, and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed,

Do not underestimate the faith of Christ

And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death--even death on a cross!

and his love

Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends

To save your loved one even if it means your death is good even to the one who makes the sacrifice.
what has happened to your morality where is your honor?

what you portray is selfishness cowardice saving oneself first and foremost before your loved ones. This makes a person coward. Christ is more honorable than that.
compare it to this:

A good example of Honor:

Bushido - Bushidō (武士道?), meaning "Way of the Warrior", is a Japanese code of conduct and a way of the samurai life, loosely analogous to the concept of chivalry. It originates from the samurai moral code and stresses frugality, loyalty, martial arts mastery, and honor unto death.

Now the question comes, If Jesus' crucifiction was not "good", why did God allow it? God gives each and every one of us FREEDOM. This includes the freedom to ACCEPT or REJECT his Son. Can you tell me of any other worse rejection of God's beloved Son other than crucifying him? Which is worse, actually listening and applying Jesus' FIRST and FOREMOST COMMANDMENT to your daily life or glorifying the Supreme Lord's Son being crucified?

Christ experienced rejection from God, rejection from God is what you experience if you sin and Christ bore all our sins so he experienced rejection by God. you should be the one who felt God's rejection not Christ but christ willingly took this rejection for you so that through him you could be close to God.

And please, ANSWER ME DIRECTLY. No more beating around the bush. ANSWER DIRECTLY if you truly feel that Christ's crucifiction is "for the good of all". Then, if you're answer is thus, you would have to agree with what I have posted.

It is definetly not good for Christ since he has to suffer but its definitely good for us all.
That is the point of the sacrifice.

If you save your love one even unto death this is good for the one who is saved and for the one who makes the sacrifice it is also considered more honorable.

Why worry about Christ if he has been resurrected and he has overcome death and ascended to heaven seated at the right hand of God.
You should be the one worried with all these false doctrines.

Sir im still showing respect towards your post no matter how sensless they are.

I don't care if people ridicule me but I care to lead you to the truth and open your eyes.

[battle axe]

tig apilan mog dabate sa plaza mga bro?hahaha

[Resurgence]

Those who accept christ teachings will be forgiven.
Those who don't will not. simple analogy sir. But I will say that a crimminal who repents and follow christ will be forgiven.

But christ sacrifice was necessary


so that we may live


for all have sinned




Remember Jesus Bore the results of our sins which is also the separation of God from us he bore this emptiness as well






ANd the result is

Do not underestimate the faith of Christ

and his love


To save your loved one even if it means your death is good even to the one who makes the sacrifice.
what has happened to your morality where is your honor?

what you portray is selfishness cowardice saving oneself first and foremost before your loved ones. This makes a person coward. Christ is more honorable than that.
compare it to this:

A good example of Honor:

Bushido - Bushidō (武士道?), meaning "Way of the Warrior", is a Japanese code of conduct and a way of the samurai life, loosely analogous to the concept of chivalry. It originates from the samurai moral code and stresses frugality, loyalty, martial arts mastery, and honor unto death.


Christ experienced rejection from God, rejection from God is what you experience if you sin and Christ bore all our sins so he experienced rejection by God. you should be the one who felt God's rejection not Christ but christ willingly took this rejection for you so that through him you could be close to God.


It is definetly not good for Christ since he has to suffer but its definitely good for us all.
That is the point of the sacrifice.

If you save your love one even unto death this is good for the one who is saved and for the one who makes the sacrifice it is also considered more honorable.

Why worry about Christ if he has been resurrected and he has overcome death and ascended to heaven seated at the right hand of God.
You should be the one worried with all these false doctrines.

Sir im still showing respect towards your post no matter how sensless they are.

I don't care if people ridicule me but I care to lead you to the truth and open your eyes.

Since you say sir that Jesus' crucifiction was for the "good of all", then you are in league with Judas and the Jewish High priests who crucified him. End of discussion.

And regarding your truth sir, I can say that it is senseless as well. I have no wish whatsoever to follow a doctrine that is not based on love and ultimately glorifies crucifying a humble servant of God. So what if Jesus was ressurected? Wouldn't have it been better if he HAD not BEEN CRUCIFIED at all? And again I reiterate, since Jesus has bore all our "sins", then repentance, asking for forgiveness, penitence, confession loses all its merits. Because Jesus has already bared our sins. What's so senseless about that sir? It's plain common sense. Why should anyone have to go through repentance if Jesus already bears your sins? If Christ truly bore our sins, explain this then: "Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. (Galatians 6:7)".

Senseless as it may seem to you, it's the only truth that has opened my eyes. The only thing that finally adds the flavor of Love in the relationship between The Supreme Lord and his Son.

[Christian_Hedonism]

Resurgence, I'm not preaching, i was only asking if you guys never heard of Jesus' death on the cross so our sins will be taken away.

to your question, "Since he already died on the cross, aren't each and everyone of us already SAVED?" ... if we read the bible it says that only those who believe will be saved. In effect it is saying that if you reject the teachings and works of Jesus you have no salvation and that's one reason why you hear Christians preaching the word so people could hear the call of God.

[WordofGod]

@resurgence:

Hello Bro,
It is very encouraging to share things we learned as believers of God. Though with our limited knowledge, we tried to express our faith and understanding about the truths. And it is desirable also to offer truths which can be found in the word of God alone since it is the basis of our understanding and belief about the fullness of the gospel and the coming kingdom of God.

I would like to share my limited view also to the rest of us here who desires to know more of the Christian belief.

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If his crucifiction was a "good" thing, why did he ask his Father to forgive those who crucified him because they did not know what they were doing? I NEED AN ANSWER...not more theories.

1Cor 3:19: For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
2Cor 4:4: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Eph 3:9: And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

God, since from the foundation of the world already have in his mind the eternal plan of man's salvation. He already have all the countermeasures he is going to have should man fall and disobey his will.

Since the dawn of time, man in his early stage have limited knowledge about the world around him and God knowing his limitations, gave him a simple Law which is to obey him. Man is autonomous and disobeyed him. God punished man by causing a great flood in the entire earth.

As man's knowledge and awareness develops, God also supplies the need of man for certain Laws which is necessary for them to replenish and co-exist with fellow humans. They received the 10 commandments. But still, man in his autonomy, pride and disobedience, would always incline to commit sin and to resist God's rule. God sees man to have fallen short from his holiness and find him worthy of death and punishment.

But despite of this, God in his eternal Love to humanity (which he has in the community of the trinity) revealed his third and final plan, sent His only begotten SON to shed his blood for us as a remission of our sins. God sees that nothing in man can satisfy his wrath that he is going to pour out like what he did on the flood and to justify man before his HOLINESS and JUSTICE!

1Cor 15:22: For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
Rom 5:12: Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Rom 5:14: Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
Rom 5:17: For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
1Cor 15:21: For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

WE ARE NOW UNDER GRACE! Through the finished work of Jesus on the cross. This has something to do with the words of Jesus also and what it meant when he says "IT IS FINISHED" while hanging on the cross and giving up the ghost. We can read more about the LAW and the GRACE contrasted in the book of Romans chapter 7.

Gal 2:16: Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Rom 3:20: Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Rom 4:15: Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
Rom 5:13: (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Rom 5:20: Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

Jesus, when he revelead himself as the one sent from the father was accused of heresy and was conspired to be put to death.

John 19:7: The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God.
Heb 9:26: For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
John 1:10: He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
John 3:17: For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Rom 3:19: Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

And regarding Christ's purpose here, was it to "die on the cross"? Or to teach people that the way to the Kingdom of God is to "love God with all your heart, all your mind, your entire being."?

I think the main purpose of Christ here on earth is to advance God's kingdom by becoming the perfect sacrifice through fulfilling the will of the father.

Because if it was to "die on the cross", well, I don't need to do anything now do I since he "died on the cross". This is the problem with your belief.

We need to know that Jesus in his human form, was given supernatural powers to raise the dead, heal the sick, cause the blind to see, let the lame walk, feed the multitudes, walk on water and so on...But, do you think that he is unable to manipulate his accusers? Absolutely he had that power but he was just doing what the father wills in him!...as what he says, IT IS FINISHED!

You cannot answer why Jesus asked his Father to forgive those that crucified him because it would conflict with your belief that his crucifiction was for the benefit of mankind. Am I right?

Simply because he felt pity on them who don't know the truth! Jesus knew what would it be like to be in Hell and being away from the presence of God! He knew the judgment and the just wrath of the father.

That is where we see how great and deep is the love of God for us!

Since when do we become "pure" by accepting the crucifiction of God's beloved as a "good sacrifice"? I don't believe his crucifiction is a "voluntary sacrifice

".

We have the freedom to disbelieve. but by doing so, we cannot dent and demerit the truths of his sacrifice on that cross!

Rom 5:1: Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Rom 5:9: Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

I DO BELIEVE that his descending here on this Earth to teach the path to the Kingdom of God is what constitutes as his SACRIFICE. Jesus came here to preach LOVE FOR GOD even though he knew that THERE WOULD BE PEOPLE THAT WOULD REJECT HIS TEACHINGS, not to die on the cross.

You have the point bro, but we have to accept the whole message of the gospel of Jesus and not just portions of it. If we take lightly of the cross of Christ, the death of the HOLY one of GOD, we should consider what would be the perfect and righteous judgment we should undergo to suffice God's justice to ourselves. Let me ask you this, what have you done in your entire life where can be proud of yourself and could stand before the judgment of God?

Rom 5:9: Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Rom 5:10: For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
1Cor 1:18: For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
1Cor1:21: For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

Paul as an Apostle, teaches us these things through his encounter with the resurrected Christ and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in his life. All things were changed for him!

By putting our faith in Him as the one sent by God and believing on his teachings. Believing also means with the core of our being. There should be a significant changes in our lives as a result of the working of the Holy Spirit in us.

Rom 10:9: That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Eph 2:8: For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9: Not of works, lest any man should boast.

If his purpose was to save mankind by dying on the cross, he would never had spoken his first and foremost commandment, now would he? DO YOU SEE MY POINT? And to date, no priest or anybody in the Catholic church has ever answered my question:

Let me ask, haven't all the prophets and the commandment of God already taught us that? what's the difference of Jesus and the rest fo the prophets if that is the only point and purpose why he was here leaving his Glorious throne and status in the heavens?

Still, the world will be same even if we hear long lines of prophets preaching about the Love of God, the first and foremost commandment. And still man will fall short before a HOLY GOD!

We have to understand the whole message of the cross and God's eternal plan of salvation!

Phil 3:10: That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
Heb 9:15: And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

1Pet 1:14: As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:

[kai3rebel]

wow!!! grabeha najd dri oi...

[Christian_Hedonism]

let me share something too.

And regarding Christ's purpose here, was it to "die on the cross"? Or to teach people that the way to the Kingdom of God is to "love God with all your heart, all your mind, your entire being."?

both.

If his crucifiction was a "good" thing, why did he ask his Father to forgive those who crucified him because they did not know what they were doing? I NEED AN ANSWER...not more theories.

i think the proper word is crucifixion. The people did a terrible mistake of crucifying the son of God. It was His love that compelled Him to ask the father to forgive them.

Because if it was to "die on the cross", well, I don't need to do anything now do I since he "died on the cross". This is the problem with your belief.

partially true,but if you reject his teachings what good will His crucifixion brings?

Since when do we become "pure" by accepting the crucifiction of God's beloved as a "good sacrifice"? I don't believe his crucifiction is a "voluntary sacrifice

Jesus gave himself by his own freewill.

I DO BELIEVE that his descending here on this Earth to teach the path to the Kingdom of God is what constitutes as his SACRIFICE. Jesus came here to preach LOVE FOR GOD even though he knew that THERE WOULD BE PEOPLE THAT WOULD REJECT HIS TEACHINGS, not to die on the cross.

he came to show the love of God. His death was the ultimate proof of that love.

If his purpose was to save mankind by dying on the cross, he would never had spoken his first and foremost commandment, now would he? DO YOU SEE MY POINT? And to date, no priest or anybody in the Catholic church has ever answered my question:

we cannot fulfill the commandments, he has to pull us out from sin and his death is the payment.

[WordofGod]

good evening