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why are people hostile to Jesus Christ? weren't you taught that he is God and he came to pay for your sins?
ahehehehe im not that good faith defender mga bro.. but one thing i can say, satan is a great deceiver... who knows one of us here is satan..heheheh
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battle axe, sakto ka Satan is the great deceiver. he can appear like an angel of light. kailangan as Christians we should study the word of God.
This is the thing that the lost need to understand. He is coming back again to judge this wicked world. It is no joke what Jesus did for us on the cross!
Re:19:11: And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Did I belittle Christ's being fearful of being crucified? Where did I state that sir? And you haven't OBVIOUSLY answered my question. If his crucifiction was a "good" thing, why did he ask his Father to forgive those who crucified him because they did not know what they were doing? I NEED AN ANSWER...not more theories. And regarding Christ's purpose here, was it to "die on the cross"? Or to teach people that the way to the Kingdom of God is to "love God with all your heart, all your mind, your entire being."? Because if it was to "die on the cross", well, I don't need to do anything now do I since he "died on the cross". This is the problem with your belief. You cannot answer why Jesus asked his Father to forgive those that crucified him because it would conflict with your belief that his crucifiction was for the benefit of mankind. Am I right? Since when do we become "pure" by accepting the crucifiction of God's beloved as a "good sacrifice"? I don't believe his crucifiction is a "voluntary sacrifice". I DO BELIEVE that his descending here on this Earth to teach the path to the Kingdom of God is what constitutes as his SACRIFICE. Jesus came here to preach LOVE FOR GOD even though he knew that THERE WOULD BE PEOPLE THAT WOULD REJECT HIS TEACHINGS, not to die on the cross. If his purpose was to save mankind by dying on the cross, he would never had spoken his first and foremost commandment, now would he? DO YOU SEE MY POINT? And to date, no priest or anybody in the Catholic church has ever answered my question: If Jesus' crucifiction was for the "benefit of mankind", why did he ask his Father to forgive those that crucified him because they did not know what they were doing? Now, can you answer me SIR? All I get from you is a brand new theory each and every time.
You see it is through this statement that the sin of man is forgiven. DO not complicate things.
With these verses it clearly shows that the purpose of Christ sacrifice was for the forgiveness of mans sins. It is because of Sin that christ has to suffer.
"Surely He has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows. Yet we esteemed Him stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted. But He was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities. The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray. We have turned, every one, to his own way. And the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.
"Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise Him. He has put Him to grief. When You make His soul an offering for sin, He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in His hand. He shall see the labor of His soul, and be satisfied. By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many, for He shall bear their iniquities." (Isaiah 53:4-6, 10-11)
"For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. " (Romans 5:6-)Revelation 13:8 states: “… And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.”Its all over the bible. I have proofs and sources."This is my body which is (given) for you.... This cup is the new covenant in my blood" (1 Cor 11:24-25)
the Divininty of Christ is further elaborated - this portrays Christ higher power and authority over any other created beings in heaven.
Don't be duped by your pastor. You have explanations but its not biblical and you seemed to manufacture your own reasons with no proofs and sources.Revelation 5
1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.
2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?
3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.
5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.
8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;
12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.
That is why I invite you as a fellow believer to open your eyes to the false churches.
Last edited by Kenshiro; 04-12-2011 at 05:46 AM.
Yes for those who follow and accept christ teachings. But Christ death is an essential part of our salvation since this is the payment for our sins in the Past. The payment of sin is death Christ is the substitute to take our place. So that we may live.
If Christ wouldn't have died then we need to pay the penalty of sins by which is death and eternal separation from God and we can never be forgiven
This verse shows that christ died for us so that we may follow him. We may live in accordance to christ teachings.2 corinthians 5:15
And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
Well It doesn't say that christ didn't need to die and we can just follow his teachings.
Last edited by Kenshiro; 04-12-2011 at 06:37 AM.
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