Kahirapan ng Pinoy: Hindi dulot ng “Korapsyon” kundi Kabobohan, Sobrang Hilig sa “Par

[Tin_Tin]

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Being poor is a mindset, I believe.

[emow]

You know, I can easily relate to this one that just happened to me a week ago.

Our family car at home, which I always drive and maintain on, is about to break down because the wheels are getting thinner and thinner. Disgrasya ug damage ang pwedeng I-resulta ani. While I'm no pro with repairing the car, I asked my dad what to do. He told me to replace the wheels with a cheap new one, kanang mga 1500 kuno. Of course, akoy bayad. So what I did is that I went to my friend who is a car freak and asked if he can get me a pair of wheels. He said yes, and alangan since its a pretty elegant car, it wont hit the roads with a surplus cheapo wheels. I agree with this one since I want reliability. The price for the wheels: 8000. I know na mahal pero it was for reliability. So I went home lang sa and told my dad about it.

Instead of approving it since ako may mobayad bisag wala koy problem sa price, we had a lengthy argument. Ni-apil pa gyud akong mom and they all said "no, that's too expensive". Kana lang kunong surplus kay mas barato. So para mahilom nalang gyud, I asked them one last question: "8000, akoy bayad, no questions asked, LIBRE ni, or mo-settle gyud mo sa baratohong BULOK pero kamoy bayad ha? Wa koy ihatag ninyo bisag sinsiyo".

And they all opted for the surplus wheels. Wa na ko mosaba. Kapoyan kog argue. Pasalamat pa gani kong di ko mogasto ug 8k for wheels.

My point here is that, most sa mga pinoy ganahan kaayo ug band-aid solution. Kana bitawng tingi-tingi na baligya nato, this is contributing to that mentality. Why would you pay for 1.25 pesos na stick of cigarette instead you can save a lot more if you buy a box of cigarrete where a stick is actually cheaper than the tingi-tingi. Why buy sachets of milk if makabarato ka when you buy the boxes or the cans? Why buy sachets of shampoo if makabarato ka when you buy the bigger ones?

I'm not encouraging opulence or any sorts. In my case sa akong sakyanan, all I want is reliability. If I were using those surplus wheels, kapila kaha ko mag-ilis ug wheels no compared to using those 8k wheels? I-add pa nimo ang hassle sa inconvenience, the price, waste of time. And since cars are LUXURIES, you should be willing to give your left nut.

Ahhh the wonders of ignorance...

Sakto ka bro... Filipinos must change in the simplest of ways first to be able to change this entire country... And also, there is a growing trend of "commission" in Filipinos.... It seems no one is exempted in asking for commisions from simple purhases.... I know many professional, decent-looking people who haggle for commisions with the purchases of their respective companies... one example is a teacher who bought supplies from us and asked us to overprice (AS IN DAKU PATONG) the items in the receipt...mucho stupido...we declined, and with it we lose a customer....Watch out for this behavior, if you are one of them, you have a conduct that is very unbecoming...sucks to be you... When we use poverty as an excuse to step on others, then we have already lost the dignity as a human person....

[AntitaniC]

hmmm... I don't believe in this really... daghan party people sa kalibutan.

daghan pud kugihan sa pilipinas... ang real problem sa pinas jud kai population and education. if we can fix that, we will proliferate more than before.

problems pud sa some government teachers. dili na kaau updated sa panahon ug stubborn na kaau sa ilang old beliefs and won't embrace change and advancements. ang ending ang ma tudlo sa students kai outdated. big example is their pronunciation. most of the public students don't have the correct one.

[cebugdev]

I disagree. Ito ang aking pananaw:
1. Government has the lead role. It can change the culture. It can create and implement laws. Kung kabobohan man ang dahilan nang kahirapan, yan ay kabobohan nang mga government officials.

Then who voted our government officials? if in your words "bobo" ang gobyerno, eh bakit binoto pa cla ng mga pinoy? So sino ang bobo sa palagay mo?
Sino ang bumoto sa mga "bobong" politiko?

I disagree. Ito ang aking pananaw:
2. Alam naman natin na hanggang sa panahon ngayon marami pa rin mga taong illiterate, yan ay dahil nagpa baya ang ating gobyerno.

There are public schools, but some filipinos choose not to go to school and work instead, kaya hindi mo masisi ang gobyerno kng illiterate cla.

Another Example: Anak ng labandera namin, pinag-aral ng pamilya ko, pero hindi cya natapos dahil nagbulakbol at na-aliw sa barkada, sino sisisihin mo ngayun? ang nagpa-aral o ang pina-aral?
Common sense!

I disagree. Ito ang aking pananaw:
3. Kung may maraming mga taong nakatira sa squatters area, yan ay dahil hindi napagbigyan nang attention sa gobyerno. May mga batas tayo, pero hindi lubos ang pagpapatupad. Minsan double standards ang gobyerno.

Before even mentioning people living in squatters area, do you have any idea where those people came from?
- some of them are from provinces that went to the city to find gold... unprepared! meaning, no right background to help themselves look for a job.
- some of them are stoways (naglayas) from their family because of some reasons like, nag tanan, nabuntis ng maaga pinalayas ng pamilya
- some of them have criminal records thus hides in crowded places.

People must not always WAITS help from government, dapat may initiative tayo na bumangon sa sarili nating paa.

Eh alam naman pala nila na mahirap mabuhay sa City eh bat pa cla pumunta sa city, dapat umuwi na cla at mabuhay ng simple.

I disagree. Ito ang aking pananaw:
4. Mahirap ang ating bansa, dahil walang taimtim na programang pangkabuhayan, ang mayaman ay lalong yumayaman, ang mahirap ay lalong humihirap. Maraming hindi nagbayad nang tamang buwis, karamihan sa mga malalaking negosyante ay hindi bumabayad nang tama, dahil alam nila na makukurakot lang din.

Check again, programang pangkabuhayan hinahanap mo? take a look around towns, provinces.
Its the filipinos that dont want government programs not the other way around.

Ang mayayaman lalong yumayaman because they work hard even they have enough, they are not lazy, they innovate, they compete, they WORK hard, they dont complain.

Pero ang mga wlang pera? Ayun tulog, reklamo ng reklamo, tamad!

I disagree. Ito ang aking pananaw:
5. Sumisikap tayo umangat ang ating buhay. Nakabili tayo nang sasakyan. Dahil dun, naging miserably ulit ang ating buhay dahil ang kikitain natin ay mapupunta na rin sa napakamahal na gasolina, napakamahal na maintenance cost. Itoy dahil sa kaawa-awang condition nang ating mga kalsada at walang control sa presyo ng langis. Nasaan ang budget natin sa pag aayos ng ating mga daan? Bakit hindi pwede ibasura ang oil deregulation law? Bakit mayron tayong E-VAT na lumalabag sa principle of taxation?

People like you should be educated on what are luxury items! things like cellphone, cars, computers/laptops are luxury items. Therefore, dont even complain why Gasoline or cellphones, electronic devices and even text messages are expensive.
Its a luxury items, get it?

I disagree. Ito ang aking pananaw:
6. Sumisikap tayong kumikita araw-araw, pero ang presyo nang mga pangunahing pangangailangan ay palagi din lumulobo. Walang control ang gobyerno.

Study economics 101 first bro, then youll understand why prices go up and down.

I disagree. Ito ang aking pananaw:
7. May mga taong pasaway, pero walang ginawa ang gobyerno. Maraming mga krimen hindi na solve nang gobyerno. Maraming katiwalian, walang action ang gobyerno.

WHo are you to assume na wlang ginagawa ang gobyerno? wla kang nakikita na aksyon?
Bakit nagrereport ba sayo ang NBI or PNP sa lahat ng galaw nila?
May idea ka ba sa mga operations na ginagawa nila araw-araw?
ikaw ba ang Hepe ng Pulis?

I disagree. Ito ang aking pananaw:
8. Hangad nang bawat isa ang umasenso, pero ang alam nilang solution dyan ay walang iba, kung di mag iibang bansa. Parang hindi pa ring gumigising ang gobyerno tungkol dyan at an gating mga OFW ay parang binobola pa na tinatawag na “modern heroes”.

Kasi hindi cla tumitingin sa ibang direksyon, the answer is always there and is very obvious.. If di ka umaasenso sa trabaho mo.. Mag negosyo!
Dumeskarte sa buhay ng tama, eh bat andaming tao na nagiging milyonaryo sa panahon ngayon? eh dba
na uso yong mga food carts sa mall? na uso na rin ang franchising, outsourcing at kng anu-anu pa na pwedi pagkakitaan..

Look on the bright side not always on the negative side.

I disagree. Ito ang aking pananaw:
9. Alam kung napakarami pang pwede gawin sa ating gobyerno para matugonan ang kahirapan, pero parang hindi dyan ang direction natin ngayon.

Kasi puro negative ang nababasa, napapanood at naririnig mo, hindi ka kasi tumitingin sa ibang angulo..
Are you even aware of the Pantawid project by PGMA? or any government projects? I guess not since media
does not cover GOOD news report.

I disagree. Ito ang aking pananaw:
10. Napakarami pang pagkukulang nang ating gobyerno, para sisihin ang ating mga mamamayan hinggil sa kahirapan. Yan ay lubos na kapabayaan at pagiging pagka iresponsable sa ating pamahalaan.

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like what i said, who chooses the government? It is the people..
Alam naman pala natin na ireponsible ang pamahalaan, then why are we still voting the same people every election?

Its the mindset of the people, its the people who has the problem not the government..

If you even know what "government" means, then youll understand that the power of the government emences from the people. Its the people who choose the government, its the people who gives the power to the government, its the people who comprise our country. The people are the majority not the government.

Take a look at Japan, People dont care about politics, as they say, "Let the politics be handled by politician"
Japanese follow laws to the last letter, japanese care and love thier country that even when they see you throw away garbage on the street then they will call your attention or report you..

Negative and pessimistic mindset by the people(like the mindset of the OP), brings this country down.
Bad media brings this country down.
lastly, submission that our country has no chance to rise, brings this country down.

[JcBoY]

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I've just brought this topic to the surface.

Paita! kaingon ba nako ug imo ni original TS. Wa ba ka mahibalo nga ang imong gibuhat usa ka-pamaagi sa CORRUPTION. Tumana ang hangyo sa Mod nga i-edit ni imo thread unya butangi sa imo SOURCE oi!

[Eve's Apple Project]

@ Bearish & Cebugdev: nice na ni nga discussion diri dah.. Both have good points of views. depende ra ni nato unsaon nato pagsabot. lisod man jud nato ma discuss tanan diri kay lisod man jud pagtransfer sa tanan natong ideas. I hope di lang ta maglalis diri for no reason. I hope we can make this thread informative. IMHO, i agree on both of you. We are to blame not only the people but also the gov't why we are who we are today. the Gov't should work hard to change our nation while the people should work harder to improve themselves. We should not blame the gov't why we are poor, instead, we should work harder. But in saying this, It is still the GOv'ts obligation to improve our nation. although sakto nga di nato i blame ang gov't why pordoy ta, but i would agree nga SILA jud ang dapat iblame why walay mga balaod gihimo para maimprove ta. THey took an oath to serve the people. sometimes I wonder, Maybe we are living in a RAT race. we can't tell where the problem started. is it really the Gov'ts fault or is it Ours? share pamo guys para lingaw ta diri.

[Maikeru]

IMO, one of the reason why we are not progressive is, most of us, lacks discipline. Most of us don't love our country. Most of us have the attitude "what can the country do for me instead of what can i do to my county" - it is a "me first before others" attitude.

If we hope for a change - a progressive Philippines, then love our country and do what you can for our country in big things or in small things.

It doesn't help if all we do is point and blame but do nothing ourselves.

[sgrnim]

noy.juan@ i like what your father teach you..
"DONT WORK FOR MONEY, LET MONEY WORK FOR YOU!, THIS IS HOW WINNER DOES IT"

agree ko ani...even me i let my money work for me..like what for example? sa ako sweldo naa jud na excess 1000 every month ky ni undang mn ko ug laag2x, smoke, tungits ug inum. na tigum naku ang excess naku nga 1000 a month for 2years until now..usa ra ako gi buhat..ako gi time deposit.. yearly atlest dili ma tulog ako kwarta na pundo pa ni tubo pa jud bisan ginagmay ra.hehehe....this is real...

[cebugdev]

@ Bearish & Cebugdev: nice na ni nga discussion diri dah.. Both have good points of views. depende ra ni nato unsaon nato pagsabot. lisod man jud nato ma discuss tanan diri kay lisod man jud pagtransfer sa tanan natong ideas. I hope di lang ta maglalis diri for no reason. I hope we can make this thread informative. IMHO, i agree on both of you. We are to blame not only the people but also the gov't why we are who we are today. the Gov't should work hard to change our nation while the people should work harder to improve themselves. We should not blame the gov't why we are poor, instead, we should work harder. But in saying this, It is still the GOv'ts obligation to improve our nation. although sakto nga di nato i blame ang gov't why pordoy ta, but i would agree nga SILA jud ang dapat iblame why walay mga balaod gihimo para maimprove ta. THey took an oath to serve the people. sometimes I wonder, Maybe we are living in a RAT race. we can't tell where the problem started. is it really the Gov'ts fault or is it Ours? share pamo guys para lingaw ta diri.

OT: for healthy discussion lang,
Im just presenting from a different point of view which is aan optimistic pinoy point of view.

[sgrnim]

i believe change will start at home...not in the government only. but it starts WITH ME.