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  1. #621

    Quote Originally Posted by mackiechoy View Post
    correction, lacson was a pnp director general, he was a general same as reyes.

    his family had nothing to do with his decision? really? wrong again, his family WAS mostly the reason why he did it, he even did it in front of his mother's grave, he did it to protect his family, his family name even.

    we are talking about the present status... he is now a senator... and they both have a diff cases.. for lacson it was a murder... I would say that you are WRONG stating that his family has direct influence to his decision.. How did you know that his family was the reason he killed himself Were you there before he shoot himself have you asked him Lol

  2. #622
    Quote Originally Posted by Undone23 View Post
    For me the ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy. Angelo Reyes - The weakest general in Philippine History..
    exactly who is for you is the strongest general in the Philippine history ? , are you exaggerating?

    while at it can you share your rank list of the strongest to the weakest generals.


    if this had been a long tradition every or most of the generals would be given their pabaon.

  3. #623
    Quote Originally Posted by Undone23 View Post
    we are talking about the present status... he is now a senator... and they both have a diff cases.. for lacson it was a murder... I would say that you are WRONG stating that his family has direct influence to his decision.. How did you know that his family was the reason he killed himself Were you there before he shoot himself have you asked him Lol
    no you little smart mouth, i didnt ask him but the act that he did it his mother's grave says a lot, and he did it when he was with his children was all because of family, you dont need to be there to know why he did it, in fact his colleagues confirmed he did it because of his family and not only that, he had this to say before he died if you read the news, "We are now in the situation where my honor and the family name are at stake. My family, my children, my grandchildren could say with a lot of truthfulness and pride that in the family, we value honor and integrity. Strength to live it and the courage to face up to the truth. This is the legacy I would like to leave with them."

    and if we are talking about the present status, then both of then are not generals since reyes last govt post was a secretary and he's retired, not general, so it is a similar case, both men are in deep trenches.

    read the news before you start asking how do you know all of a sudden.

  4. #624
    Quote Originally Posted by mackiechoy View Post
    Haunted by the ghost of Angie Reyes
    AS I WRECK THIS CHAIR By William M. Esposo (The Philippine Star) Updated February 13, 2011

    Senators Antonio Trillanes IV, Jinggoy Estrada, Miriam Santiago and AFP (Armed Forces of the Philippines) corruption scandal investigation star witness retired Lt. Col. George Rabusa must be coping with varying degrees of guilt feelings over the suicide of Angelo T. Reyes. If you were in their shoes, after the roles they had played in pressuring Angie Reyes to do what he did — you have to be conscience-less not to be affected.

    Perhaps because he is not a politician and has a lesser ego to pander to, Rabusa was more forthright in admitting that he had inflicted a deep hurt on his former boss, Angie Reyes, thereby contributing to his decision to end his life. Rabusa was gentleman enough to seek the forgiveness of the family of Angie Reyes although he was quick to qualify that he will pursue his mission to expose what he knows about the AFP corruption scandal.

    Contrasting with the humility of Rabusa to acknowledge inflicted injury — Senators Trillanes, Estrada and Santiago hardly showed any regrets or sadness over the tragedy that most of media and the nation feel they significantly contributed to.

    Estrada expressed sympathy for the Reyes family but quickly added that he does not feel guilty for doing what he claimed was his job. Was it his job to be boorish and embarrass Reyes during the Senate Blue Ribbon Committee Hearing when Lt. Col. Rabusa was first presented? Was it Estrada’s job not to even allow Reyes to defend himself when he tried to ask Rabusa a question?

    Perhaps fearing a political fallout after seeing the praises that were being heaped on the late AFP Chief, Estrada proposed to leave out the family of Reyes in the future hearings. Some conviction this Senator has! If he was so sure of the complicity of Reyes and his family in this AFP corruption scandal — just what kind of a Senator is he to now offer to give those he previously accused a free pass?

    Sen. Santiago was the height of insensitivity and devoid of Christian compassion for the family of Reyes when she stated, right after the suicide was announced, that the death of Reyes does not save his family from further investigation. Considering that Reyes had pleaded for his family to be excluded — that was just about one of the lowest points Santiago went down to. Before committing suicide, Santiago called Reyes “one of the greatest *****s in history.”

    Sen. Trillanes was either really uncaring or too driven by resentment perhaps to have uttered “That’s just how life was meant to be for all of us” when asked by media for his reaction to the suicide of Reyes. Coming from a history of reckless and irresponsible actions which had already landed him in jail — it did not occur to this arrogant Senator that he was not empowered by his position to prematurely pass judgment on any Filipino, to say that he does not have a reputation to protect.

    Trillanes is an elected legislator — another major mistake of the Filipino voters — but he does not even respect the presumption of a person’s innocence sans any presentation of evidence, due process and conviction. What gave Trillanes the right to say to Reyes in front of a nation following the Senate hearing live on television that he does not have the right to defend himself and has no reputation to protect? He only had his own personal opinion of Reyes and the say so of Rabusa. No documentary evidence, no due process, no cross examination of a hostile witness and yet Trillanes acted like judge, jury and executioner by declaring that Angie Reyes had no reputation to protect.



    Even Lt. Col. Rabusa acknowledged in an interview with ANC’s Karen Davila that Trillanes went overboard and that the Senator’s unexpected boorish treatment of a Mistah (fellow graduate of the Philippine Military Academy or PMA) must have heavily impacted on the late AFP Chief. A Mistah is not supposed to do that to another Mistah, especially one as senior to Trillanes as Reyes was.

    Senator Gringo Honasan expressed the need for civility in the Senate hearings. “We can moderate the conduct of our hearings so we can take into consideration the reputation, the name, the future of the children and grandchildren who have nothing to do with this issue,” he said.

    Senate President Juan Ponce-Enrile confirmed that boorish behavior does not have a place in the Senate. “You can ask questions, exercise your right of cross-examination, but you have to be very circumspect in the words that you use in asking the question and the manner you ask the question,” Enrile said.

    A STAR online reactor registered this comment in a February 9 news story about the Senators that pushed Angelo Reyes to commit suicide: “Section 21, Article VI of the Constitution, states, “The Senate or the House of Representatives or any of its respective committees may conduct inquiries in aid of legislation in accordance with its duly published rules of procedure. The rights of persons appearing in or affected by such inquiries shall be RESPECTED.”

    Another STAR online reactor stated: “No, you don’t have to explain because you don’t have any reputation to protect,” Trillanes told Gen. Reyes during the Senate hearing. Imagine a lieutenant telling his Chief of Staff dead on his tracks when the latter tried to explain the goings on at the AFP Command. The Looney navy man should have been more respectful to a higher ranking officer and fellow graduate of the PMA. …Senate hearings MUST be done in aid of legislation which is its mandate but recent hearings are for maligning people they hated, fodder for negative publicity and an aid for grandstanding.”

    The Senate and the Congress should announce to the nation just what exactly is the code of conduct for Senators and Congressmen during hearings and investigations — clearly stating what is considered undesirable and un-parliamentary behavior. This should be presented before every Senate and Congress hearing.

    For those Senators with blood on their hands, let’s all pray for them.
    I don't agree with this article at all! Maypa si Miriam ug Trillanes wala magpa pogi sa media...

    Just because a person who is obviously part and parcel of corruption dies... wer supposed to honor them and sing good graces about them... that's just stupid imho.

    Sobra ra ta ka forgiving as a nation and that kind of attitude will embolden corrupt people because they know that we will just easily allow or forgive them.

    So Angelo Reyes shot himself... people may have driven him to do it but he was not forced to do it. He made that decision and he has his own reasons whether it be personal feelings of guilt, humiliation, hopelessness...

    I would say that other corrupt people from the AFP take his lead and kill themselves too. That's one way of ridding out the corruption in the AFP.

    And about the issue of "respect".... respect is given not because of someone's position... rather, respect is earned through words and deeds. You can follow orders of a senior officer but that does not mean that the senior officer has earned the respect of his subordinates.

    So Reyes was a General while Trillanes was then a Lieutenant... but one was involved in corruption while the other fought and exposed the corruption... now.. who among the two is more deserving of respect?

    The only person with blood on his hands is the one who pulled the trigger...
    Last edited by vipvip68; 02-13-2011 at 10:35 AM.

  5. #625
    Quote Originally Posted by hush232002 View Post
    we dont know for sure but he should know that no one got hanged, imprisoned for life..(kung ma priso hayahay gihapon mura ra ga check in sa hotel) because of corruption or plunder charges diri... no honor in ending your life....period undebatable..bisag asa pang kalibutana bisag asa pang militariha...iya lang gi pakauwawan ang mga sundawo sa iyang gibuhat
    Pakauwawan? Really now are you a soldier? Ever served your country with your life on the line? Or keyboard warrior lang?

    The samurai honored peers and even enemies alike who committed seppuku. A samurai who honorably killed himself saved his family the dishonor of losing their title and caste rank.

    The Taliban, Hamas, Iran and many military organizations all honor warriors who willingly die in suicide missions.

  6. #626
    Quote Originally Posted by |ceman View Post
    he may be educated, top 10 of his class or even a harvard grad as a military man; yes he succeeded in all of these for all I care, but the ultimate test for being a soldier is to do the right thing where or when it matters, to defy corruption, to save his country by giving the information may he be part of the rotten system or not, to face the consequences of his actions, to face the truth (maybe he cant handle the truth hehehe); for me, its not about the credentials that define the person, but the actions he took when his country needed him the most. Bisag bali balihon pa nimu ang kalibutan, there is no honor in ending your life while your country is hanging on the balance.
    nice one bro!

  7. #627
    Quote Originally Posted by vipvip68 View Post
    I don't agree with this article at all! Maypa si Miriam ug Trillanes wala magpa pogi sa media...

    Just because a person who is obviously part and parcel of corruption dies... wer supposed to honor them and sing good graces about them... that's just stupid imho.

    Sobra ra ta ka forgiving as a nation and that kind of attitude will embolden corrupt people because they know that we will just easily allow or forgive them.

    So Angelo Reyes shot himself... people may have driven him to do it but he was not forced to do it. He made that decision and he has his own reasons whether it be personal feelings of guilt, humiliation, hopelessness...

    I would say that other corrupt people from the AFP take his lead and kill themselves too. That's one way of ridding out the corruption in the AFP.

    And about the issue of "respect".... respect is given not because of someone's position... rather, respect is earned through words and deeds. You can follow orders of a senior officer but that does not mean that the senior officer has earned the respect of his subordinates.

    So Reyes was a General while Trillanes was then a Lieutenant... but one was involved in corruption while the other fought and exposed the corruption... now.. who among the two is more deserving of respect?
    You mean Trillanes the "warrior" who endangered the lives of civilians in 2 sieges? The same Trillanes who after being the recipient of a judicial order not to his liking decided to hold an entire hotel hostage? Or believe ka sa combat experience ni Trillanes?

    Or the same Trillanes who after the death of Reyes turned tail and took back all his accusations saying di man diay si Reyes? What conviction.

    FYI di na siya lieutenant.

  8. #628
    Quote Originally Posted by mackiechoy View Post
    no you little smart mouth, i didnt ask him but the act that he did it his mother's grave says a lot, and he did it when he was with his children was all because of family, you dont need to be there to know why he did it, in fact his colleagues confirmed he did it because of his family and not only that, he had this to say before he died if you read the news, "We are now in the situation where my honor and the family name are at stake. My family, my children, my grandchildren could say with a lot of truthfulness and pride that in the family, we value honor and integrity. Strength to live it and the courage to face up to the truth. This is the legacy I would like to leave with them."

    and if we are talking about the present status, then both of then are not generals since reyes last govt post was a secretary and he's retired, not general, so it is a similar case, both men are in deep trenches.

    read the news before you start asking how do you know all of a sudden.

    NO what I see here is you are a total dumb@ss!! You are making assumptions.. Like this and that because the media said so.. You are totally brain-washed by the media... And you are defending the person's legacy of corruption gimme a break. All that he said was all lies, using his family just to look innocent but in reality he is not a true man, he is not a warior. Just like Judas that is so guilty that he just banged himself to death instead of asking forgiveness.. You know what im sayin

  9. #629
    Quote Originally Posted by hush232002 View Post
    we dont know for sure but he should know that no one got hanged, imprisoned for life..(kung ma priso hayahay gihapon mura ra ga check in sa hotel) because of corruption or plunder charges diri... no honor in ending your life....period undebatable..bisag asa pang kalibutana bisag asa pang militariha...iya lang gi pakauwawan ang mga sundawo sa iyang gibuhat
    yes there is honor, in japan its called harakiri or seppuku as it is a form of capital punishment for a samurai who had committed serious offenses, or performed for other reasons that had brought shame to them. so if reyes thought the investigations would bring shame to his family and himself, he'd rather punish himself than live and defend his case that will still bring self shame to him and for his family, so yes there is honor, compared to erap and garcia na ok ra sa ila mapriso and then huwat sa tide na mubali then baws2x nlang.

    and another point why there is honor, because many of our govt officials now are linked with corruption cases, some are indicted some just hearsays but for the normal filipino people it is most certain that there is truth to these allegations and still most of them gets a pass, almost a norm for accused govt officials, but reyes, instead of being one of them, get tried and then walk away later on, he on the other hand, took it into his own hands and had the decency to punish himself compared to the others who insists they're clean and play hypocrite.

  10. #630
    Quote Originally Posted by Undone23 View Post
    NO what I see here is you are a total dumb@ss!! You are making assumptions.. Like this and that because the media said so.. You are totally brain-washed by the media... And you are defending the person's legacy of corruption gimme a break. All that he said was all lies, using his family just to look innocent but in reality he is not a true man, he is not a warior. Just like Judas that is so guilty that he just banged himself to death instead of asking forgiveness.. You know what im sayin
    you dont know what youre saying, all he said were lies? that was a statement you dunce, read the news, now your playing judge and jury, and youre the one thats brainwashed, and no, im not defending corruption, its about honor, if you think you made a mistake, you pay for it, not continue to play it.

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