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  1. #601

    Quote Originally Posted by Undone23 View Post
    For me the ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy. Angelo Reyes - The weakest general in Philippine History..
    duh! tell us something we dont know. weak? im sure opinion ni nimo coz if its not, unsay basehan nimo nganong weakest general? (weakest general, what a term) kay kung imung basehan maong weak ciya kay ngpakamatay ciya, sayop ka, that action itself on the contrary takes balls to do, the easier way out is to do a lacson rather to sacrifice his life and leaving his family for good, now is that weak?

  2. #602
    I dont think doing ala Lacson is the easy way out, its not easy to hide; he may have evaded the law for now but he cant evade the tormenting thoughts of being a fugitive; he can't run away from the fact na naa kay problema to face in the future, what Lacson did is mere retreating but that doesnt mean he will be free from the problem so I may agree with Undone, he may be one of the weakest Generals by taking his life to end it all. He is no different with the ordinary filipinos that took their lives because of their problems that we hear from the news.

    On the other note:

    if this is true, and they even glorified his death and treat him as a hero tsk tsk

    Reyes' last statement: 'I walked into corruption'

    GMANews.TV - Sunday, February 13




    "I did not invent corruption. I walked into it. Perhaps my first fault was in having accepted aspects of it as a fact of life."
    These are perhaps among the last recorded words of former defense secretary Angelo Reyes, reportedly penned as rough "discussion notes" on Sunday, February 6, as he was preparing for an interview with Philippine Center for Investigative Journalism's (PCIJ's) Malou Mangahas —just two days before he killed himself amidst allegations that he and several other former Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) chiefs of staff received millions of of pesos in send-off money when they retired from service.
    In these terse words, Reyes tried his best to walk the fine line between admitting guilt and insisting that he pursued an honest career as a professional soldier. “I might not be guiltless/faultless, but I am not as evil as some would like to portray," Reyes wrote in his notes that a close confidante later passed to PCIJ’s Malou Mangahas. The full transcript, including Mangahas' own comments, are posted on the PCIJ website. “Tinyente pa ako, ganyan na ang sistema (i.e., “conversion" system, etc.)… ," Reyes explained in his notes. (That's the way it's always been, even when I was just a lieutenant.) “I can perhaps be faulted for presuming regularity in a grossly imperfect system. As CS (chief of staff), [I saw] a big landscape, presume regularity, convenient to ignore it, accept it as part of the system. It’s easy to say, institute reforms after the problems have erupted," Reyes continued in what Mangahas explained as still rough, unpolished, and incomplete notes.
    The statement sheds light on Reyes' motives for killing himself, after it was alleged that he and several other former AFP chiefs received millions of of pesos in "pabaon" (send-off money) upon retirement from service.
    In an ongoing Senate probe, former AFP fund manager Lt. Col. George Rabusa claimed that Reyes alone allegedly received P50 million on his retirement.
    On the morning of February 8, Reyes killed himself in front of his mother’s grave.
    He died from a single self-inflicted gunshot wound to the chest, apparently from a caliber .45 pistol, based on the findings of a special investigation task group of the National Capital Region Police Office (NCRPO).
    Eyewitnesses told police that Reyes, his bodyguard, a driver, and two sons arrived at around 7:00 a.m. at the Loyola Memorial Park in Marikina City. Sometime before 7:30, Reyes reportedly told his sons and bodyguard to go ahead to where their car was parked. Then, standing alone in front of the grave of his mother, a single shot rang out and he fell to the ground. — GMA News
    Last edited by |ceman; 02-12-2011 at 11:56 PM.

  3. #603
    I dont understand why daghan ga defend ni Reyes ngari; yes the senators that accused him had their flaws and im sure corrupt pud na, but the issue here is kung nag corrupt ba si Reyes; I dont think it needs elaboration kay based sa mga na post ngari, they believe that he did so, so why make him a hero?

  4. #604
    Quote Originally Posted by mackiechoy View Post
    duh! tell us something we dont know. weak? im sure opinion ni nimo coz if its not, unsay basehan nimo nganong weakest general? (weakest general, what a term) kay kung imung basehan maong weak ciya kay ngpakamatay ciya, sayop ka, that action itself on the contrary takes balls to do, the easier way out is to do a lacson rather to sacrifice his life and leaving his family for good, now is that weak?

    bro, we live in a democratic country so I can say whatever I want to say... For me its a subjective term (weakest general). and you cant compare him to lacson since lacson is not a general.. I did not say "the weakest senator in the philippines." For all the generals that we know he is the only one who commited suicide for the purpose of avoiding the controversy. and his family has nothing to do with his decision, with or w/out his family he would still pull that trigger. so for me he is the weakest general.

  5. #605
    Quote Originally Posted by |ceman View Post
    I dont think doing ala Lacson is the easy way out, its not easy to hide; he may have evaded the law for now but he cant evade the tormenting thoughts of being a fugitive; he can't run away from the fact na naa kay problema to face in the future, what Lacson did is mere retreating but that doesnt mean he will be free from the problem so I may agree with Undone, he may be one of the weakest Generals by taking his life to end it all. He is no different with the ordinary filipinos that took their lives because of their problems that we hear from the news.

    On the other note:

    if this is true, and they even glorified his death and treat him as a hero tsk tsk

    Reyes' last statement: 'I walked into corruption'

    GMANews.TV - Sunday, February 13




    "I did not invent corruption. I walked into it. Perhaps my first fault was in having accepted aspects of it as a fact of life."
    These are perhaps among the last recorded words of former defense secretary Angelo Reyes, reportedly penned as rough "discussion notes" on Sunday, February 6, as he was preparing for an interview with Philippine Center for Investigative Journalism's (PCIJ's) Malou Mangahas —just two days before he killed himself amidst allegations that he and several other former Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) chiefs of staff received millions of of pesos in send-off money when they retired from service.
    In these terse words, Reyes tried his best to walk the fine line between admitting guilt and insisting that he pursued an honest career as a professional soldier. “I might not be guiltless/faultless, but I am not as evil as some would like to portray," Reyes wrote in his notes that a close confidante later passed to PCIJ’s Malou Mangahas. The full transcript, including Mangahas' own comments, are posted on the PCIJ website. “Tinyente pa ako, ganyan na ang sistema (i.e., “conversion" system, etc.)… ," Reyes explained in his notes. (That's the way it's always been, even when I was just a lieutenant.) “I can perhaps be faulted for presuming regularity in a grossly imperfect system. As CS (chief of staff), [I saw] a big landscape, presume regularity, convenient to ignore it, accept it as part of the system. It’s easy to say, institute reforms after the problems have erupted," Reyes continued in what Mangahas explained as still rough, unpolished, and incomplete notes.
    The statement sheds light on Reyes' motives for killing himself, after it was alleged that he and several other former AFP chiefs received millions of of pesos in "pabaon" (send-off money) upon retirement from service.
    In an ongoing Senate probe, former AFP fund manager Lt. Col. George Rabusa claimed that Reyes alone allegedly received P50 million on his retirement.
    On the morning of February 8, Reyes killed himself in front of his mother’s grave.
    He died from a single self-inflicted gunshot wound to the chest, apparently from a caliber .45 pistol, based on the findings of a special investigation task group of the National Capital Region Police Office (NCRPO).
    Eyewitnesses told police that Reyes, his bodyguard, a driver, and two sons arrived at around 7:00 a.m. at the Loyola Memorial Park in Marikina City. Sometime before 7:30, Reyes reportedly told his sons and bodyguard to go ahead to where their car was parked. Then, standing alone in front of the grave of his mother, a single shot rang out and he fell to the ground. — GMA News
    thats still your opinion. for some its easier to die, others, easier to retreat, lacson could might as well go to the netherlands and not come back, and still be able to live a life, now thats better than putting a bullet through your heart. its easier to be alive because your choices are limitless and can still be retracted compared to when youre dead, were sacrifices are to be made and decisions are final.

    and no, weak is not the best term to describe reyes or his actions, maybe smart, maybe honor, maybe fear, maybe something else, but never weak. the only thing you can say weak and reyes in the same sentence is when you talk about his hearing, but regarding his actions, not at all weak.

    weak is somebody trying to jump off a bridge but never did. now thats weak.

  6. #606
    Quote Originally Posted by |ceman View Post
    I dont understand why daghan ga defend ni Reyes ngari; yes the senators that accused him had their flaws and im sure corrupt pud na, but the issue here is kung nag corrupt ba si Reyes; I dont think it needs elaboration kay based sa mga na post ngari, they believe that he did so, so why make him a hero?
    TS is all about reyes, not asking if corrupt ciya or dili, some people admire him, so if they feel he's a hero, let them be.

  7. #607
    so are you saying that people na nag ambak sa bridge, pulled the trigger on their head, hanged themselves (because his mother dont want to buy him a laptop) because of their problems are strong?

  8. #608
    cant agree more!

    Corruption killed Reyes, say ex-Cabinet men
    By Christian V. Esguerra
    Philippine Daily Inquirer
    First Posted 02:49:00 02/12/2011

    Filed Under: Graft & Corruption, Military, Suicide, Politics, Antonio Trillanes IV, Miriam Defensor-Santiago
    MANILA, Philippines—Corruption killed Angelo Reyes, according to the group calling itself Former Senior Government Officials (FSGO).
    The group, composed of ex-members of the Cabinet, on Friday issued a statement that sought to put into perspective Reyes’ decision to take his own life amid allegations of corruption during his stints as Armed Forces chief of staff and as secretary of defense.
    The FSGO said lawmakers who took part in the Senate inquiry to which Reyes had been invited “could not and should not be blamed” for the suicide, “no matter how hurtful their statements may have been.” It commended the members of the Senate and the House of Representatives for “putting names, faces, numbers and dates to the corruption that every citizen knows infects our officialdom.”
    “General Reyes may have died by his own hand, but in truth, corruption killed him,” the FSGO said.
    It added: “The death of General Reyes reminds us that corruption kills. Most often, it kills poor Filipinos with hunger, disease, disaster or crime because the money meant to help or protect them was stolen. It kills soldiers whose bullets run out, whose guns fail, whose trucks run out of gasoline, whose aircraft crash due to poor maintenance, all because someone stole the money for their needs.
    “Sometimes, corruption kills those that partake of its evil fruit.”
    Pandora’s box
    Reyes shot himself in the heart on Tuesday, more than a week after he was accused at a Senate blue ribbon committee hearing of receiving P50 million as a sendoff gift (pabaon) and a monthly allowance of P5 million during his stint as AFP chief of staff.
    At the hearing, Reyes denied the accusations made by former military budget officer George Rabusa. He asked to be allowed to question his accuser, but was repeatedly rebuffed by Senators Jinggoy Estrada, Antonio Trillanes IV and Teofisto Guingona III.
    Sen. Miriam Defensor-Santiago later spoke during the plenary session and said he was “one of the biggest *****s in history” if he knew nothing about military corruption during his watch.
    In his own statement, the Most Reverend Godofredo J. David, D.D., obispo maximo of the Iglesia Filipina Independiente (IFI), said Reyes’ “unfortunate death ... should compel” President Aquino to order authorities to step up the government investigation of corruption in the military.
    “His death, however regretful, demonstrates that [former state auditor Heidi] Mendoza and Rabusa tripped upon a Pandora’s box, one which the AFP does not want to be opened and, more so, the people to know,” David said.
    The bishop said the congressional investigations “must be pursued in the interest of truth and justice.”
    “While we condole with the family of General Reyes, we believe that his death should not interrupt the ongoing investigations and [the wish to] make those who are responsible answer for their crimes,” the bishop said.
    He said the IFI was praying for the safety of Mendoza and Rabusa, and called on the President to extend protection and support to them “so they can continue to testify without fear for their lives.”
    Smug faces
    The FSGO said Reyes’ death should be seen “in the light of the principle that public office is a public trust.”
    “If he died to escape the consequences of his involvement, or to put a lid on further revelations, or worse, to become a sacrificial lamb for all others more tainted than he, his was not an honorable death,” the group said.
    “The smug faces of unpunished corruption that visited his wake only further dishonor him,” it said, adding:
    “If, on the other hand, his death inspires our leaders to finally clean up the corrupt system in the military that ensnared him, he might yet be the last soldier to die in our people’s war against corruption.”
    The group also said Reyes’ death was a reminder that “those who occupy public office shall be held accountable, by our laws when possible; by public opinion, when necessary; by history, eventually; or by individual conscience, ultimately.”
    Biggest boulder must go
    The FSGO likewise called on Ombudsman Merceditas Gutierrez to step down, describing her as “a boulder along our path toward a righteous and just Philippines.”
    Gutierrez and special government prosecutors are under fire for striking a plea bargain with ex-military comptroller Carlos Garcia that would clear him of a P303-million plunder case.
    “The whole nation wants its government to move along the tuwid na daan (straight path) and this incumbent Ombudsman is one of the biggest boulders on its way,” the FSGO said. “Everybody wants this boulder out. She no longer has any excuse for trying to stay.”
    The FSGO also urged Rex Robles, a retired commodore and Reyes’ confidant, as well as others who might be knowledgeable about corruption in the military, to “pay their respects to General Reyes by coming out with the truth, rather than expecting others to do their work for them.”
    “Truth telling is the responsibility of everyone who knows the truth,” it said.

  9. #609
    Quote Originally Posted by Undone23 View Post
    bro, we live in a democratic country so I can say whatever I want to say... For me its a subjective term (weakest general). and you cant compare him to lacson since lacson is not a general.. I did not say "the weakest senator in the philippines." For all the generals that we know he is the only one who commited suicide for the purpose of avoiding the controversy. and his family has nothing to do with his decision, with or w/out his family he would still pull that trigger. so for me he is the weakest general.
    correction, lacson was a pnp director general, he was a general same as reyes.

    his family had nothing to do with his decision? really? wrong again, his family WAS mostly the reason why he did it, he even did it in front of his mother's grave, he did it to protect his family, his family name even.

  10. #610
    Quote Originally Posted by |ceman View Post
    so are you saying that people na nag ambak sa bridge, pulled the trigger on their head, hanged themselves (because his mother dont want to buy him a laptop) because of their problems are strong?
    who said what?

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