Hospitals, abusing nurses!

[RMK711]

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boss, volunteer nurses are not there in the hospitals to be trained but they are there to have experience..training is working under a superior like what student nurses are, volunteer nurses are on the same level with staff nurses, they have they same job descriptions but are not paid..

and there is no expense for a hospital to have a volunteer nurse, because it is the nurse giving services to the hospitals for free, ang volunteer nurse na gni hnuon nibayad..

and also, those volunteer nurses are already licensed, they have completed training for 3 yrs..nya inig m.volunteer sila, sila pay pabayron? ok ra mn ang m.volunteer bsta dli lng pabayron..what's the rationale na pabayron pa mn ang volunteer na they are already giving services for free..

The fact that they are there "to gain experience" means they are learning from more experienced nurses. Don't tell me that these fresh grads already know everything, it is a certainty that they are being taught some very important things by the experienced personnel. I'm not suggesting that they should pay the hospital I'm merely saying that the nurses complaining about not being paid are not looking at it the right way. The right way to think about it is that they actually are getting paid a salary but that salary is being deducted to zero in order to pay for the training they received. In other words, the hospital and the nurse are both benefiting from the arrangement.

[DeathFox]

^^i have to agree with this. but due to over supply wla na gyud mhimu ang nurses but to bend over just to gain experience.kaluoy oi mahal bya kau ang tuition

Na, ngano ni.enter ug Nursing. Maypa diretso nalang ug call center instead of college. Didto man gihapon sila padulong. >_<

[DeathFox]

And this topic alone proves my point na "EASY WAY" out ra ganahan nila. Ngano man mu.reklamo pa man na "gi.abuso" kuno sila. Nahan dagway sila na human ug graduate ug Nursing, kalipay na dayun. Tsk. Tsk.

Ga.expect ning mga tapulan na just coz they endured 4 years, they expect na di na magpoblema.

[FranZeno]

The fact that they are there "to gain experience" means they are learning from more experienced nurses. Don't tell me that these fresh grads already know everything, it is a certainty that they are being taught some very important things by the experienced personnel. I'm not suggesting that they should pay the hospital I'm merely saying that the nurses complaining about not being paid are not looking at it the right way. The right way to think about it is that they actually are getting paid a salary but that salary is being deducted to zero in order to pay for the training they received. In other words, the hospital and the nurse are both benefiting from the arrangement.

if you are a nurse then you would understand what I meant.

You should be on the same boat as us to know what is experience and what is training in a hospital setting. "to gain experience" to a nurse means to work in a hospital as what a regular employee would do, not to be trained. We are not volunteering in a hospital to learn how to administer parenteral meds, oral meds, etc because we already know that even before we graduated. What is there to learn more in a hospital as volunteers if we were trained for the same job when we were still undergrads?

And I'm not complaining, or shall I say most of us, because we are not paid, but because what's the point of us paying them for our services? It would appear na kami ang nagsweldo sa amo kuyog na regular employees sa hospital. I would be satisfied being a volunteer without pay, but having to pay for it is too much.

Do you get it? We do the services for them and we pay them. It's clearly taking advantage.

FYI nlng, I also volunteer but the hosp is not asking us to pay. It would clearly be unfair if I would still have to pay them and clearly I'm not volunteering in their hospital to be taught, because no one is teaching/training me there, I'm not moving there with a trainer, I do the same job as those regular employees.

I'd say lucky for me because the hosp is not asking us to pay and we are compensated with allowances/meals, but what about those hosp that do otherwise? Luoy sd.

[FranZeno]

Na, ngano ni.enter ug Nursing. Maypa diretso nalang ug call center instead of college. Didto man gihapon sila padulong. >_<

At least naay diploma dba if m.graduate og college? Ako, bahala na call center ko m.trabaho bsta naa koy diploma mapakita na nitiwas jud ko sa ako pgskwela..sense of accomplishment na sd na..hahaha

[EgentKakashi]

Duh, I already turned down already two offers to work in Singapore as a programmer. >_>

signal # 5 ....Good for you sir dako kag salary diri sa pinas..

[RMK711]

if you are a nurse then you would understand what I meant.

You should be on the same boat as us to know what is experience and what is training in a hospital setting. "to gain experience" to a nurse means to work in a hospital as what a regular employee would do, not to be trained. We are not volunteering in a hospital to learn how to administer parenteral meds, oral meds, etc because we already know that even before we graduated. What is there to learn more in a hospital as volunteers if we were trained for the same job when we were still undergrads?

And I'm not complaining, or shall I say most of us, because we are not paid, but because what's the point of us paying them for our services? It would appear na kami ang nagsweldo sa amo kuyog na regular employees sa hospital. I would be satisfied being a volunteer without pay, but having to pay for it is too much.

Do you get it? We do the services for them and we pay them. It's clearly taking advantage.

FYI nlng, I also volunteer but the hosp is not asking us to pay. It would clearly be unfair if I would still have to pay them and clearly I'm not volunteering in their hospital to be taught, because no one is teaching/training me there, I'm not moving there with a trainer, I do the same job as those regular employees.

I'd say lucky for me because the hosp is not asking us to pay and we are compensated with allowances/meals, but what about those hosp that do otherwise? Luoy sd.

Not a nurse, but I know what fresh grads are like and I know there are a lot of gaps in their knowledge. Maybe you are one of the rare grads who already know everything, but that isn't the case for most of them. In the first place, if what you are saying is true and that fresh grads don't need to be trained, why is it the foreign governments/companies are requiring work experience? Isn't it because they believe fresh grads are not hirable and do not meet their standards of training/expertise? That's the only logical conclusion.

Also, as I've explained already before I'm not in fact asking nurses to "pay" for their training. If you read what I said, what I'm really saying is that nurses should not complain about not being paid because the right way to think about it is that they are being paid a salary but that salary is being paid back as a training fee. So the nurse doesn't have to pay a training fee and the hospital doesn't have to pay the nurse. Nevertheless, the hospital and the nurse are benefiting from the arrangement.

Unpaid internships are not practiced only here, but even in developed countries. It's not really unpaid if the person is getting something out of the equation. As long as it is a temporary (that is, has a fixed duration) then there is nothing wrong with it.

[FranZeno]

Not a nurse, but I know what fresh grads are like and I know there are a lot of gaps in their knowledge. Maybe you are one of the rare grads who already know everything, but that isn't the case for most of them. In the first place, if what you are saying is true and that fresh grads don't need to be trained, why is it the foreign governments/companies are requiring work experience? Isn't it because they believe fresh grads are not hirable and do not meet their standards of training/expertise? That's the only logical conclusion.

Also, as I've explained already before I'm not in fact asking nurses to "pay" for their training. If you read what I said, what I'm really saying is that nurses should not complain about not being paid because the right way to think about it is that they are being paid a salary but that salary is being paid back as a training fee. So the nurse doesn't have to pay a training fee and the hospital doesn't have to pay the nurse. Nevertheless, the hospital and the nurse are benefiting from the arrangement.

Unpaid internships are not practiced only here, but even in developed countries. It's not really unpaid if the person is getting something out of the equation. As long as it is a temporary (that is, has a fixed duration) then there is nothing wrong with it.

Because that's their policy for hiring IENs, because our curriculum/standards are not the same with theirs that's why they need those extra years as requirements for IENs. If it's their own graduates then they won't need them to have experience.

Actually in some hospitals here, esp private hosp, fresh grads are on probation for months before they get hired. But they will be hired after probation and they are not made to pay for being on probation.

[DeathFox]

Not a nurse, but I know what fresh grads are like and I know there are a lot of gaps in their knowledge. Maybe you are one of the rare grads who already know everything, but that isn't the case for most of them. In the first place, if what you are saying is true and that fresh grads don't need to be trained, why is it the foreign governments/companies are requiring work experience? Isn't it because they believe fresh grads are not hirable and do not meet their standards of training/expertise? That's the only logical conclusion.

Also, as I've explained already before I'm not in fact asking nurses to "pay" for their training. If you read what I said, what I'm really saying is that nurses should not complain about not being paid because the right way to think about it is that they are being paid a salary but that salary is being paid back as a training fee. So the nurse doesn't have to pay a training fee and the hospital doesn't have to pay the nurse. Nevertheless, the hospital and the nurse are benefiting from the arrangement.

Unpaid internships are not practiced only here, but even in developed countries. It's not really unpaid if the person is getting something out of the equation. As long as it is a temporary (that is, has a fixed duration) then there is nothing wrong with it.

why would they even pay those "Nurses" na gihig ulo. Ingnan dili na sila ma.accomodate kay full na ilang nursing staff. and budget nila is for their STAFF na actually will work for them. So dapat lang mubayad kay

1) Namugos na didto mu.work bisag puno na
2) Dili libre ng training

[DeathFox]

signal # 5 ....Good for you sir dako kag salary diri sa pinas..

i've moved on from enjoying life based on money >_>

as long as naay maka.on, naay mapuy-an, naay magasto, ok na. poblema sa uban, dili ma.contento. Pinoy mentality, suyaan kaayo sa grasya sa uban. >_>