MERGED: FEDERAL DEMOCRACY: A solution to the sick country, the Philippines.

[Romeojin]

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unsa man diay dautan sa akong mga pangutana nganong dili man tubagon ug tarong? Tubaga usa para maka hinuklog sad intawon ka kung unsay na jud ang panghitabo. immature! pag-sure diha reojin uy... ang immature lang no kay kanang

1. dili kahibaw mubasa ug instruction,

2. wala pakabana kung unsa nay nahitabo sa palibot, giliman uroy ka kung pila nana ka dikada kanang mga problemaha nga akong gipatubag nimo,

3. mao jud bitay mga gusto ko nga matubag na nimo, bcn sa pila na ka dekada nga problema matubag sa dili kunuhay immature nga parehas nimo.

connected ba na sa topic.. OT kaau.

ang tubag kasagaran ana.. kulang budget ang government

[masakiton]

me? naa rako permi naghulat sa tubag sa akong mga pangutana....

akong ibalik kay murag wala man ka ni basa... hehehe pait

Nganong naa pamay walay mga kaon? walai ika palit
Nganong naa pamay way grado? wala man naka human eskwela
Nganong kulang man ang atong mga school, reading materials ug uban pa? mismanage funds due to corrupt government offcials (people)
Nganong muabot man ug 80 ka estyudante ang kada classroom?mismanage funds due to corrupt government offcials (people)
Nganong dili man timbang ang atong hostisya? due to corrupt government offcials /employee (people)
Nganong daghan mang crimen ang wala nasulbad? due to corrupt government offcials /employee (people)
Nganong kulang man ang seguridad sa katawhan? due to corrupt government offcials /employee (people)
Nganong naay may mangurakot? due to corrupt government offcials /employee (people)
Nganong nangurakot mana cla? greedy government officials / employee (people)
Nganong nakapangurakot mana cla? depend sa taw
Nganong ni Lungtad mani ug pila na ka Decada? anad nata sa kalisod

Kindly enumerate also your answers, pls.

Hahaha wurag broken record. But you still havent proven nga it's the people, not also the system that they adopt.

federal countries - mas dako pa GDP ang pinas
iraq , ethiopia, sudan

brazil and Australia = ang GDP nila kai dako kaayo ug difference (same system of government )


communist countries
north korea nag lisod ila taw tungod mga ila great leader (getting worst)
Vietnam - communist state pero arrang2x ug kahimtang (improving)

same gov system different people managing the country

Ang singapore kadto ang state of johor pa nag manage pobre pero after ni take over c lee kwan yu... diha na sila nag sugod ug asenso (same government system, same place, different head of the system)

cebu = under sa administration ni tomas kai nag cge asenso maski kinsa ang presidente
cebu = nakita ang dakong difference under ni tomas ug ni alvin (same government system, same place, different people)

Cebu province = under ni lito osmena ug gwen garcia ... makita pud ang difference (same government system, same place, different people)

[RMK711]

lol 3 countries did you look carefully on the study you the keep posting craps and when i demand for your proofs.. nothing

you are clamoring for a different kind of federalism then lol a new kind called de-decentalized formed. let me elaborate

current system:
local government --> national government

federalism:
local government --> state government --> federal government

No this isn't the correct structure of the federal system. There is no one structure that defines all institutions in a federal arrangement, as I said before, some institutions are naturally national in scope and others are merely local. In my experience of Australia, this is what a strictly local (state) institution looks like:

Vicroads (Roads and Licensing Authority equivalent to LTO):

District -> State
Vicroads -> State of Victoria Vicroads Chief Executive

There is no national office, hence no duplication. It is a strictly local institution structure.

An example of their hybrid local/national institution structure:

Justice System:

On matters of local and criminal litigation:

District -> State

Magistrate Courts -> CA (State) -> Supreme Court (State)

On matters of federal or national and constitutional questions:

National Level Only (These suits don't go through the state courts)

Federal Courts of First Instance -> Federal CA -> Supreme Court (Federal)

So as you can see there is a different supreme court structure for issues of local and national scope. There's no duplication because the courts address different things. Duplication is only if the federal courts hear the same cases as the state courts, which isn't the case. That's why I keep saying, this duplication that you keep bringing up, is not really duplication. These aren't stupid people running these countries, they aren't going to put up a building just for the sake of having something local if it's not necessary. Local institutions for local issues. National institutions for national scope. Do you understand? The main difference between Federal and Centralized systems is that local institutions are under the direct and sole supervision of the State authority, whereas in a centralized system, everything is subject to review of the national government. Otherwise, local and national institutions exist in both systems. It's just that in a centralized system like ours, even matters of local concern like education and health, are passed onto the national government whereas in a federal system, the state government has full responsibility in these areas. There is no national Department of Education in Australia. The state governments handle education solely.

since you dont believe that national government will be equivalent to state government in a federal system. the duplication i keep stating. which will make running the government much expensive and inefficient than the present government


in your system:
local government --> federal government
cause local government will still rely on Manila (like you said we used the same infrastructure what we had now) is that decentralized?

See above on the distinction between institutions with local and national scope. Many State institutions do not have a Federal counterpart, hence no duplication. The buck stops with the State Premier's office (a much more powerful version of our Governor) also called the mini-Prime Ministers. Only on federal matters does the Federal government have the final say (this involves mainly military, taxation and foreign affairs) and in many of these instances, the State government has no powers at all so again no duplication (there is no State Army or State Foreign Affairs)...

its already expensive splitting to 11 states and you want us to split equivalent to the number of our provinces.

Which why I said the number of states is subject to debate anyway...

i lived in Mindanao for several years and most of my relatives. i know the situation, you think muslim lang tag-iya ng mindanao thats the problem, mao na naglagot ang mga christians tungod anang ARMM issue sunod di pa na sila kontento? Pinoy tag-iya sa pinas !! and sorry if i dont trust those MILF and other fronts nila..

Well I don't live in Mindanao so I'll take your word that the Catholics don't like the Muslims. Well that right there tells you there needs to be a solution that involves separating people who hate each other, because otherwise this war will cost more lives. You can complain what you want about the insurgency the fact of the matter is it's real, and they want out. The only question left is, should we let them go peacefully like Malaysia did with Singapore or will we let the bloodletting continue until the next generation?

The Daily Tribune <<< Without Fear or Favor >>> <- yesterday news
matinga pa ka nganong hinay ang progress didto.

thats the problem people supports federalism cause they feel they can break away from the Philippines. you think way conflict ana..

OT na kaau ang breakaway scenarios sorry kung ma labelled ka na anarchist.

Breaking away can happen in a centralized system too.. it is not the system that causes this but the grievances (perceived or real) by the affected minorities/regionists...

[Romeojin]

pag-sure uy dha romeojin, Kinsa man jud diay ang gobyerno?

lemme rephrase that. an individual who doesnt rely on the government does no mind whatever the government system is.

ok na?

[laplink]

lemme rephrase that. an individual who doesnt rely on the government does no mind whatever the government system is.

ok na?

Kasabot ka kung kinsa nang gobyerno? Kita intawon na dodong. wla bana sa leksyon sa nyoha? ako public school nag-ekwela pero gitudlo ni sa amoa nga ang gbyerno mao kita. substance

[Romeojin]

@RMK

we dont have federal court counterpart right now.. federal court judges are appointed by the President. No State Police counter part. No State Capitol, absolutely provincial cannot be used nor combined.surely there would be a lacking facilities/infrastructure.. thats why expensive are federal government than a centralized government.

refer nalang ani sa proposal
Federalism in the Philippines - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

thats the problem with the mindanao conflict there are areas na lisod i distinguished. nganong ma sulod man ang are sa ARMM na dugay naman ang mga catholics didto. thats one reason nganong kusog si Erap sa Mindanao.

mas lisod mo break away in a centralized government, ma consider lang ni as unrest/rebellion.

[Romeojin]

Kasabot ka kung kinsa nang gobyerno? Kita intawon na dodong. wla bana sa leksyon sa nyoha? ako public school nag-ekwela pero gitudlo ni sa amoa nga ang gbyerno mao kita. substance

then what ? part ka sa majority, democracy tawon ta majority wins. tan-aw nimo pro tanan sa federalism. cha2x di gani ma push kani pa kaha.

[bearish]

Nganong naa pamay walay mga kaon?

kung mag kugi lang ang tawo, maka kaon man gyod. wa man ko kabati sa news nga naay nangamatay tungod kay way kaon.

Nganong naa pamay way grado?

irresponsabling mga ginikanan, dili pa eskwelahon ilang mga anak.

Nganong kulang man ang atong mga school, reading materials ug uban pa?

gi kurakot sa mga politiko ang budget para ani.

Nganong muabot man ug 80 ka estyudante ang kada classroom?

kuwang ug classroom, kuwang ug magtutudlo, wa may ikasweldo kay gi kurakot naman sa tawo ang budget

Nganong dili man timbang ang atong hostisya?

kay basin kurakot sad ang mga huwes.

Nganong daghan mang crimen ang wala nasulbad?

Tapolan mo sulbad ang mga awtoridad, kulang sa kahimanan, kurakot ang hustisya, loopholes sa balaod.

Nganong kulang man ang seguridad sa katawhan?

tungod kay daghan ganahan mo buhat ug crimen kay dili man sulbaron sa mga awtoridad.

Nganong naay may mangurakot?

naa gyod na sa kinaiya sa tawo nga kurakot gyod.

Nganong nangurakot mana cla?

para dali ma datu, mao man nay kinaiya sa tawo, gusto madatu dayon, bisan di maghago.

Nganong nakapangurakot mana cla?

Kay naa may kwarta nga pwede kurakoton.

Nganong ni Lungtad mani ug pila na ka Decada?

kay nindot man ni para sa mga kurakot. ikaw kung kurakot ka, then naa ka sa pwesto ganahan kaha ka usbon ni?


In summary, ang problema nato mao jud ang kurapsyon. Ingon man si PNoy nga kung walang Corrupt, Walang Mahirap. So, mo asenso na nya ta ani.

[BIGMAN]

lemme rephrase that. an individual who doesnt rely on the government does no mind whatever the government system is.

ok na?

Sovereignty resides in the people and all government authority emanates from them. The government is of the people, by the people and for the people. So, we all depend on our officials. Whenever they will not perform well in office, we are affected. Whatever happens to the economy, people are affected. Maybe, you are very rich that you don't feel the effect of economic crisis to poor people like us.

[bearish]

Sovereignty resides in the people and all government authority emanates from them. The government is of the people, by the people and for the people. So, we all depend on our officials. Whenever they will not perform well in office, we are affected. Whatever happens to the economy, people are affected. Maybe, you are very rich that you don't feel the effect of economic crisis to poor people like us.

Wa kaayo ko kasabot ani pagka storyaha. Ang gihisgotan kay "people", but suddenly mokalit man lang ug "So, we all depend on our officials." Kita man kaha mga tawo ang soveriegn ngano mag depend man ta sa mga officials, naglibog man ko ani oi.