MERGED: FEDERAL DEMOCRACY: A solution to the sick country, the Philippines.

[okah]

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mao ning ingon ani gihapon ta tungod sa mga taw nga parehas nimo
di gustong mag-usab. abi, sila, wa mausab, di nalang sad ta mag-usab?

Ikaw mausab kaha ka kung kwarta na hisgutan. asa ko tuo nga mausab ka. Majority sa tawo basta kwarta mayawa na. Try to convince sa mga tawo kuno nga mag usab unya ako sad manghatag ug kwarta para dili sila maugusab, tan-awon nato.

[Peace]

Ikaw mausab kaha ka kung kwarta na hisgutan. asa ko tuo nga mausab ka. Majority sa tawo basta kwarta mayawa na. Try to convince sa mga tawo kuno nga mag usab unya ako sad manghatag ug kwarta para dili sila maugusab, tan-awon nato.

ay, tan-awa lang unya basin ikaw kaha mausab kung kwarta nay hisgutan
i don't need dirty-money.

[okah]

ay, tan-awa lang unya basin ikaw kaha mausab kung kwarta nay hisgutan
i don't need dirty-money.

ayaw pag sulti ug patapos inday. wala palang siguro ka mag lisud karon or wala paka ka sulay nga nag lisod ka.

[Peace]

ayaw pag sulti ug patapos inday. wala palang siguro ka mag lisud karon or wala paka ka sulay nga nag lisod ka.

mao ba? nagdako man kos kalisod dodong. pero, di lang nako makaon ang kwarta nga dili worthy para nako. di man ko parehas ubang taw nga natarong lang gani ang trabaho, di na mo kaon ug mongos

Back To Topic ta, brad kay OT na ta:

bitaw, whatever form of government it will be, it always has its own pros and cons. there's no such thing as a perfect form of government.

[masakiton]

i repost lang nato kai basin mo ingon napud na siya wala taga i ug proof

Hahaha wurag broken record. But you still havent proven nga it's the people, not also the system that they adopt.

federal countries - mas dako pa GDP ang pinas
iraq , ethiopia, sudan

brazil and Australia = ang GDP nila kai dako kaayo ug difference (same system of government )


communist countries
north korea nag lisod ila taw tungod mga ila great leader (getting worst)
Vietnam - communist state pero arrang2x ug kahimtang (improving)

same gov system different people managing the country

Ang singapore kadto ang state of johor pa nag manage pobre pero after ni take over c lee kwan yu... diha na sila nag sugod ug asenso (same government system, same place, different head of the system)

cebu = under sa administration ni tomas kai nag cge asenso maski kinsa ang presidente
cebu = nakita ang dakong difference under ni tomas ug ni alvin (same government system, same place, different people)

Cebu province = under ni lito osmena ug gwen garcia ... makita pud ang difference (same government system, same place, different people)

[okah]

i repost lang nato kai basin mo ingon napud na siya wala taga i ug proof



federal countries - mas dako pa GDP ang pinas
iraq , ethiopia, sudan

brazil and Australia = ang GDP nila kai dako kaayo ug difference (same system of government )


communist countries
north korea nag lisod ila taw tungod mga ila great leader (getting worst)
Vietnam - communist state pero arrang2x ug kahimtang (improving)

same gov system different people managing the country

Ang singapore kadto ang state of johor pa nag manage pobre pero after ni take over c lee kwan yu... diha na sila nag sugod ug asenso

aw si lee kwan yew ang palingkura sa inyoha.

[Romeojin]

asa naman ang mga anarchist este federalist... si okah lang interesado mga OT pa gyud mga posts.

[RMK711]

why dont you cite your references instead of talking rubbish. i dont need to prove anything its all over the net. we are talking about federalism here the main concern is the economy and that study proves it.. no positive relation between economic growth under decentralized system. why should we discuss economic growth with a centralized government OT na kaayo. The disadvantages of federalism outweighs the advantages thats the bottom-line.

I already explained why your study isn't enough because its a single study that involves only 3 countries. Jesus Christ, get a grip man and don't get personal. Calling me anarchist, what for?? Now if it's all over the net, then you should be able to post more evidence to support your claim that federalism is more expensive than centralized.

you dont care if the Philippines breaks apart lol. proof.. Malaysia-Singapore ; USSR ; Pakistan-Bangladesh, Siberia-Kosovo, etc. kung naa gyud ethnic minority naa gyud chance.. the Islamic region are craving for independence and we are fighting insurgencies all the time isnt that proof enough naa gyud chance? plus ni mention pa ka ng autonomy in Mindanao is not enough. you a muslim sir?

My response to this is why should we care if they want to be independent? Do you live in Mindanao? If not, why can't we mind our own business instead of continuing to spend billions to fight a never-ending war? Maybe you should sympathize also with our soldiers who have to go there using substandard equipment given by Manila so you can understand why it's futile to force people to stay when they really wanna leave. That's the problem in this country, the people in Manila and their loyalists want to force everyone to kow-tow to central rule by Manila and force everyone to be part of the Phiippines but haven't given anyone any reason why they should want to be part of this country. If the Philippines were well run by those people in Manila, why would anyone want to leave? On the flip side of the coin, if a country is so badly run why would anyone want to be part of it? Isn't Singapore been better off ever since they left Malaysia and formed their own State? Its plain obvious that Catholic Filipinos and Muslims don't get along, it's like a bad marriage where the wife keeps getting beat up by the husband but is forced to stay in the marriage by the barrel of the gun to her head, just because the husband wants to use her for *** but doesn't want to give her any love in return. That's the experience of Mindanao so far. In exchange for being part of our country, they get the Ampatuans machine guns trained on them.

I'm not a muslim but I understand why they might want to separate from manila, because I feel the same way about cebu. I want what's best for Cebu, if it's also good for the Philippines as a whole, great, if not, why should I care? Please answer me this, why does it matter to you if Mindanao separates from Philippines what's your interest in it? Do you feel its land and resources belong to you somehow and by what right do you lay claim on this? It's a natural human failing to care more about what's near to them than what's far away. That's the sickness that afflicts manila people too.. the further away from manila, the less they give a damned. that's why mindanao has been left to rot, and why cebu is often neglected unless we are lucky enough to have a patron in manila like gloria...

Anyway wurag OT na kaayo ni, I only wanted to post in passing that I preferred separation to federalism, but now it has blown up into an entirely different argument. The topic is about federalism, not about bigman or me being anarchist, so let's talk about federalism and don't bring up separatism because it really nothing to do with federalism. it's not separatism and it's not anarchism. My personal views on independent Cebu are a separate matter that has nothing to do with federalism. If you wanna keep discussing this it's better to start another thread about anarchism/separatism for cebu.

Also edited this post cause it was too harsh, i'm serious bai i don't really wanna get personal with you i read some of your post in other threads and i agree with a lot you say so trust me that we share a lot of the same opinion, its just on this topic that we disagree.

[BIGMAN]

asa naman ang mga anarchist este federalist... si okah lang interesado mga OT pa gyud mga posts.

I'm just here Romeojin, keeping in touch with the thread. Anarchist huh, we are not like that. We merely suggest option for the good of the country.

Anyway, I just let Mr. RMK711 and you to do the debate. Gipul-an na ko ug pasabot nimo. Gahi kaau ka pasabton! He he he, peace.

[okah]

asa naman ang mga anarchist este federalist... si okah lang interesado mga OT pa gyud mga posts.

mau paka kay naka sabot sa OT naku. pero ang problema lisud kau ka pasabton kung unsay Federalism.