MERGED: FEDERAL DEMOCRACY: A solution to the sick country, the Philippines.

[BIGMAN]

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naa gyud sa atong culture ang root cause aning problema....

daghan laig ganahan og federal democracy but the question is ... naka sabot ba ang mga voters that can be bought ang term anang federalism?

That is why we need to educate the people of what good the federal will bring to the country once implemented. To change the culture, we need to build a system that would force them to follow. An efficient and functional system of government, FEDERALISM.

[BIGMAN]

@BIGMAN - you talk big as if your doing anything yourself. change!? take a damn good look at your breatheren for 50 years they did nothing back walk backwards while singing songs of democracy idiots!. And you want me to give a sure example that will change this country here: Burn the country to the ground! government included, adopt communism and follow the steps of Deng Zhao Peng for economic reforms. call it a reset plan, and YES this country is utterly hopeless no matter what you do, everything you anyone does is just irrelivant at this point why? cuz the majority of the masses which IS the country is superbly stupid! thats a fact!

heres a good example, people voted for noyX2 because his mother is Cory, HELLO O_o now that he is president those that voted for him is now critizing him of being impotent, while if you think about it how long has he been president again hello. satX2 lang sigi dli gyud mu tanaw og padayun, dli maningkamot, dli willing mu learn og bag.o mao nang primary batasan sa mga pinoy. this is fact walay excempt ani sa batasan except for some chosen few nga katong ni asenso gyud.

I'm being frank, I live in this country also and a Filipino, but truth be told, BATI gyud kaayo ang culture sa taw diri, murag mga boang nga naka buhi ba gikan sa rule sa espanyol, dli mu think ahead and plan ahead for the future. to live and eat for the day mao ra gyud. saon.

China has been in communism for a long time but they didn't prosper. Before they are called the sleeping giant. Now that they adapt capitalism, there economy is constantly rising. And they are not a sleeping giant anymore but AWAKE. I am doing my part as a citizen Wikki. I am concern of my country. I share my views to my friends and was able to convince them. It's too early to judge Pnoy, let him take his time. He still have more than 5 yrs.

How can you change culture. Suggest pud, dili kay sige lang ta panaway.

Explore options Wikki. It gives you hope. Without options, hope is gone.
If you are hopeless, burn yourself to the ground.

[BIGMAN]

Easily said than done it isnt being pessimism im just being cautious. you should put your optimism to real life scenario why not start a business and tell me where your optimism would lead you. put the money where your mouth is.. and maybe you will stop demanding a change to federalism. of course in real life there will always be a problem... if you reason it will lead to country side development, but in exchange for inefficiency and downgrade of our capital city Manila cause of their funds are cut.

take a look now, the people optimism on an inferior president.

Being too cautious is tantamount to being pessimistic to the point of overlooking the advantages. Of course, there is no perfect system. It always has pros and cons. When you know the possible downside, then think of ways to counter. Do not totally reject the remedy itself.

[masakiton]

miss, nag basa ko ani nga thread pero sige na jud kag balik2 anang "change system, same people, same result" thing. pwede lahi napud imo masulti? something nga naay sense... kay halos tanan taw dri nakibaw na sa imo gi balik2 ug ingun. hasta pud nang tira nmu ni gwen cge nag balik2. almost every post pa jud nmu ani nga thread kay questions which lead to YOU KNOW THE ANSWERS ALREADY.

cge ka pangutana, asking for answers pero gi tubag naka sa mga taw, DI MAN KA MAMINAW. imo gusto gi huna2 mao man ghapon imu tumanon. mas maayo pa di na lang ka mangutana kay di man ghapon ka maminaw.

im just being straightforward kay you are all around the thread and cge lang balik2 imu questions and rants about politikos in power who are corrupt and unsa pana diha. dont get me the wrong way pero sobra raman pud gud.

thanks.

agree ko sir lisod jud ma dawat kung same different system pero same corrupt people = corrupt new system
wala man ko namugos sa ako idea ... wala pud ko nangutana sa mga latest posts ..

[RMK711]

One of the big advantages of Federalism is that it allows the possibility that some provinces will be much more successful than others, rather than the whole country being poor and dragged down by the incompetence of the tagalogs in manila, imagine the possibility that even one province will be extremely rich. Even granted that there is a culture of corruption here, there are certain places in the Philippines that are run very well by competent politicians who are not corrupt. Even if these places are very few, their competence under the Federal system will allow small pockets of very fast development. Think about one or two mini-singapores here.. that's what is possible under the federal system when most of the taxes stay in the neighborhood.

Dako kaayu ang benefit ani sa Cebu. Gamay ra atong population kung ikumparar nato sa manila, inya daghan tag politiko nga maayo og dili kaayu kurakot.. we have great beaches for tourism, lots of call centers, hardly any traffic, almost no crime. Kugud jud ang growth ani sa cebu. Under sa centralized system wala juy mahimo unless maayo ang mga politiko sa manila. Under sa federal, possible nga naay mga lugar nga moasenso regardless kung maayo ang presidente o dili...

Ayaw nalang huna-hunaa kung unsay maayo para sa pilipinas, importante pud na pero basig dili na posible nga madato jud ang tibuok pilipinas kai daghan man gud tapulan diri. Huna-hunaon nalang nato ang Cebu.. kung unsay pinakamaayo para sa atoa, bahala na nang mga taga manila.. let them take care of their problems and let us take care of ours. Anyway dili man jud ni part sa pilipinas ang cebu sa-una.. wala may pilipinas before niabot ang mga katsila.. you can say nga by adopting federalism we are just going back to our original form in the past.

[Romeojin]

Being too cautious is tantamount to being pessimistic to the point of overlooking the advantages. Of course, there is no perfect system. It always has pros and cons. When you know the possible downside, then think of ways to counter. Do not totally reject the remedy itself.

you cant be too optimistic esp in things dealing with money, who will pay the billions of pesos needed. it is already a fact only rich nation (with some exception) can afford federalism. we dont even have enough budget to maintain an optimum level of government services what more if we go to federalism... yes there will be gain but there will also be losses and those amounts is incalculable atm. its very possible we will run in losses and who knows what regional conflict would arise .. like commies rule, islamic front, etc.

And dont call me pessimist.. take a look at yourself.. you just labeled Philippines a sick country, like you have no future here. are you pinoy btw? personally this thread should had been close or retitled cause its really unpatriotic and treasonable.

[bearish]

@bearish - bisan tarong pa ang youth nig tamak nila sa system ma daot rasad sila, ang uban youth sad ang ila role model kay inatay sad mao mag tuo sad sila nga ok rana buhaton ang mga sayop (daghan kaayo tawatan nga minors karon, na unsa naman na and parents paman mismo mag tudlo pangawat!)

mao na ang case karon sa mga new officials, tarung sila pero pag apply sa government office after a month nang resign, it doesnt matter if dli ka corrupt, nig sulod nimo sa system, where naa patu ang mga old dogs and thier influence ma corrupt gyud ka. thats why is say e purge gyud ang tanan, like what that little girl say sa US during an interview (forgot the name dugay na kaayo, Bush Era i think) "get rid of everyone in the system especially the old ones" then put in the new ones.

mao rasad c NoyX2 karon, tarung cgruo cya and idealistic for the future, pero ang naka lingko sa postions sa government body? and influence ni Arroyo dli gyud na ma wala.

Federal system for success? simbako gyud ni. kung ma Federal ang pinas one after another mu declare og independence ang mga satelite provinces labi na ang tanaw nila sa main government corrupt ang resulta civil war.

I know nga ing-ana jud kay tungod sa atong mga na experience sa mga youths. Kana tungod kay gi-corrupt man sad ug apil ang ilang mga huna-huna sa mga banggiitan nga mga kurakot. Mao mo sunod sad ang mga batan-on. And still, bisan pa way nag tudlo nila, culture na sad lagi jud ni nato.
Sakto imong point, and we have the same point. Ilisan gyod ang tanan. It's like this:

Say for example, we will send 1thousand youths ngadto sa laing lugar. i-isolate gyod na sila, then i-educate, i-train, i-enhance ang culture, i-norture ug i-develop ug maayo ang ilang characters. After that, paulion diri, then sila ang mo lingkod as leaders sa atong country.

I think in such a way, na flush na gikan sa ilang memory ug culture ang mga naandan nato nga kinaiya. Bag-ong sinugdanan, new generations and for the future generations.

This is like a revolutionary movement. Wherein the group will train people to become good leaders.
But in this case, this should be a government funded program. Not the leftist or rightest style.

It's one of the many solutions feasible out there. This is better than nothing.

[masakiton]

Federalism will only work if there is a very strong central government, which i believe we cannot have...

and oh.. how does it differ from our present government? if we are still going to have the same politicians running the situation..

very true

[BIGMAN]

you cant be too optimistic esp in things dealing with money, who will pay the billions of pesos needed. it is already a fact only rich nation (with some exception) can afford federalism. we dont even have enough budget to maintain an optimum level of government services what more if we go to federalism... yes there will be gain but there will also be losses and those amounts is incalculable atm. its very possible we will run in losses and who knows what regional conflict would arise .. like commies rule, islamic front, etc.

And dont call me pessimist.. take a look at yourself.. you just labeled Philippines a sick country, like you have no future here. are you pinoy btw? personally this thread should had been close or retitled cause its really unpatriotic and treasonable.

Don't take it seriously Bro. Yes, this country is sick. When I say that, it doesn't mean being unpatriotic. In fact, I'm suggesting a solution to it. I love the Philippines Bro. But what about you? What are we going to do with our beloved country? Wait for a miracle? lol. This thread earned much attention. Isn't it obvious? This is an intellectual discussion.

[BIGMAN]

@Romeojin

Have you read RMK711's post on this page? I think that answers your repeated concern.