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  1. #211

    Quote Originally Posted by hitch22 View Post
    You don't think we're not that similar to chimps? Watch this documenatary by Jane Goodal: click here (if the video from that link doesn't stream that fast, then use this link here).
    "FOR ME"... if somebody would insist that humans and chimps have significant similarities in terms of intelligence... i couldn't help myself but smile a little... human intelligence are way, way, way, way (to the infinite power) more advanced than any other life forms... i believe that's a universal fact... there might be similarities, YES... but that doesn't mean anything... if intelligence is just a developed ability (which most Creationists consider as a gift)... crustaceans should be the more intelligent species since they existed long before humans... just my two cents... i mean... one cent ra diay...

    Quote Originally Posted by hitch22 View Post
    The media used that phrase "creating synthetic cell" perhaps to sensationalize the story. I thought of using that phrase as well to stress a point: That the idea of creating the first living cells from scratch is not as far-fetched as you think.

    But in any case, it still qualifies as a synthetic cell. A whole genome was written and synthesized using yeast as medium and then transfered to a bacterium where it took over and replaced the host cell's DNA (kinda like how viruses commandeer our cells' DNA in order for it to replicate themselves and invade our system). The result: IT'S ALIVE!...and it's able to replicate using the genetic information from the synthetic genome.
    hmm... "FOR ME"... still not buying it... still doesn't sound like a synthetic cell for me... maybe we could just wait for them to create the real synthetic cell... "if they can"... and Venter can then celebrate... being able to create just a component of a complex system... does not create the system... i see it as inventing a wooden wheel... and claiming that they invented a sports car! DNA/genome isn't LIFE... again... my one and a quarter cents...


    ALL:
    grabe... i just woke up... and one of the first things that i have read is this... buntag pa gani... nangunot na akong agtang... this could be a start of a bad day... joke!

    pero mga bros... asa lagi ang mas "logical"... the universe and all its complexities and all the churva-eklavu... is it
    [A]. created by a Supreme Being beyond space and time and therefore this Supreme Being does not have a beginning since He is beyond time OR
    [B]. chamba ra diay ning universe. taghap ra ba... aksidente ra jud diay ning tanan... everything is just random... our existence does not mean anything...

    aw akong answer ani... "LOGICALLY"... it's [A]... taghap man nuon... pagsure oi... "FOR ME"...

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    maypa tan-aw mo diri nga thread mga bros:
    https://www.istorya.net/forums/genera...ilippines.html



    pampawagtang sa inyong stress! di na lang gud nato libugon atong mga utok... simple ra kaayo ang life... usahay man gud... sa kadaghan sa nabasa... sa kadaghan sa nakita TV/internet... which i admit to be very impressive (if true)... we tend to forget to follow our own natural logic... nothing exists without a cause... the universe never started with an "accidental" bang...

    God bless everybody... and enjoy the rest of the day... relax lang mga bros! it's a Sunday!

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    The Universe is awesome.
    Only God could create a masterpiece. lol

  4. #214
    Quote Originally Posted by robert_papalid_ece View Post
    "FOR ME"... if somebody would insist that humans and chimps have significant similarities in terms of intelligence... i couldn't help myself but smile a little... human intelligence are way, way, way, way (to the infinite power) more advanced than any other life forms... i believe that's a universal fact... there might be similarities, YES... but that doesn't mean anything... if intelligence is just a developed ability (which most Creationists consider as a gift)... crustaceans should be the more intelligent species since they existed long before humans... just my two cents... i mean... one cent ra diay...
    wrong. wrong. wrong.

    Intelligence is not the end all, be all on the evolutionary race to success. Each and every animal today is as "evolved" as us. Evolutionary success is measured by how an organism is most suitable to the environment it is living in.
    Tell me, can humans live under water like the crustaceans? No. You're reasoning is based on an assumption that evolutionary success is measured on intelligence. Which is wrong.

    hmm... "FOR ME"... still not buying it... still doesn't sound like a synthetic cell for me... maybe we could just wait for them to create the real synthetic cell... "if they can"... and Venter can then celebrate... being able to create just a component of a complex system... does not create the system... i see it as inventing a wooden wheel... and claiming that they invented a sports car! DNA/genome isn't LIFE... again... my one and a quarter cents...
    Creationists have been arguing before that this organic material can not be made from inorganic material. Now that it is done, gidownplay daun ang achievement. HOW TYPICAL

    grabe... i just woke up... and one of the first things that i have read is this... buntag pa gani... nangunot na akong agtang... this could be a start of a bad day... joke!

    pero mga bros... asa lagi ang mas "logical"... the universe and all its complexities and all the churva-eklavu... is it
    [A]. created by a Supreme Being beyond space and time and therefore this Supreme Being does not have a beginning since He is beyond time OR
    [B]. chamba ra diay ning universe. taghap ra ba... aksidente ra jud diay ning tanan... everything is just random... our existence does not mean anything...

    aw akong answer ani... "LOGICALLY"... it's [A]... taghap man nuon... pagsure oi... "FOR ME"...
    Again, I state Occam's Razor. And you are still entitled to your own opinion.

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    well i exist therefore God exist! simple logic, .and nothing happens by chance bro

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    Scientist believes in God by they just dying it. lol

  7. #217
    Quote Originally Posted by orcgod View Post
    answer to your question...

    Matter: States of Matter

    Matter: States of Matter

    by Anthony Carpi, Ph.D.
    As a young boy, I remember staring in wonder at a pot of boiling water. Searching for an explanation for the bubbles that formed, I believed for a time that the motion of the hot water drew air down into the pot, which then bubbled back to the surface. Little did I know that what was happening was even more magical than I imagined - the bubbles were not air, but actually water in the form of a gas.

    The different states of matter have long confused people. The ancient Greeks were the first to identify three classes (what we now call states) of matter based on their observations of water. But these same Greeks, in particular the philosopher Thales (624 - 545 BCE), incorrectly suggested that since water could exist as a solid, liquid, or even a gas under natural conditions, it must be the single principal element in the universe from which all other substances are made. We now know that water is not the fundamental substance of the universe; in fact, it is not even an element.

    To understand the different states in which matter can exist, we need to understand something called the Kinetic Molecular Theory of Matter. Kinetic Molecular Theory has many parts, but we will introduce just a few here. One of the basic concepts of the theory states that atoms and molecules possess an energy of motion that we perceive as temperature. In other words, atoms and molecules are constantly moving, and we measure the energy of these movements as the temperature of the substance. The more energy a substance has, the more molecular movement there will be, and the higher the perceived temperature will be. An important point that follows this is that the amount of energy that atoms and molecules have (and thus the amount of movement) influences their interaction with each other. Unlike simple billiard balls, many atoms and molecules are attracted to each other as a result of various intermolecular forces such as hydrogen bonds, van der Waals forces, and others. Atoms and molecules that have relatively small amounts of energy (and movement) will interact strongly with each other, while those that have relatively high energy will interact only slightly, if even at all, with others.

    How does this produce different states of matter? Atoms that have low energy interact strongly and tend to “lock” in place with respect to other atoms. Thus, collectively, these atoms form a hard substance, what we call a solid. Atoms that possess high energy will move past each other freely, flying about a room, and forming what we call a gas. As it turns out, there are several known states of matter; a few of them are detailed below.


    Solids are formed when the attractive forces between individual molecules are greater than the energy causing them to move apart. Individual molecules are locked in position near each other, and cannot move past one another. The atoms or molecules of solids remain in motion. However, that motion is limited to vibrational energy; individual molecules stay fixed in place and vibrate next to each other. As the temperature of a solid is increased, the amount of vibration increases, but the solid retains its shape and volume because the molecules are locked in place relative to each other. To view an example of this, click on the animation below which shows the molecular structure of ice crystals.

    Liquids are formed when the energy (usually in the form of heat) of a system is increased and the rigid structure of the solid state is broken down. In liquids, molecules can move past one another and bump into other molecules; however, they remain relatively close to each other like solids. Often in liquids, intermolecular forces (such as the hydrogen bonds shown in the animation below) pull molecules together and are quickly broken. As the temperature of a liquid is increased, the amount of movement of individual molecules increases. As a result, liquids can “flow” to take the shape of their container but they cannot be easily compressed because the molecules are already close together. Thus liquids have an undefined shape, but a defined volume. In the example animation below we see that liquid water is made up of molecules that can freely move past one another, yet remain relatively close in distance to each other.

    Gases are formed when the energy in the system exceeds all of the attractive forces between molecules. Thus gas molecules have little interaction with each other beyond occasionally bumping into one another. In the gas state, molecules move quickly and are free to move in any direction, spreading out long distances. As the temperature of a gas increases, the amount of movement of individual molecules increases. Gases expand to fill their containers and have low density. Because individual molecules are widely separated and can move around easily in the gas state, gases can be compressed easily and they have an undefined shape.

    Gaseous matter - steam

    A simulation of the behaviour of water molecules entering the gas state.

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    Solids, liquids, and gases are the most common states of matter that exist on our planet. If you would like to compare the three states to one another, click on the comparison animation below. Note the differences in molecular motion of water molecules in these three states.



    Plasmas are hot, ionized gases. Plasmas are formed under conditions of extremely high energy, so high, in fact, that molecules are ripped apart and only free atoms exist. More astounding, plasmas have so much energy that the outer electrons are actually ripped off of individual atoms, thus forming a gas of highly energetic, charged ions. Because the atoms in plasma exist as charged ions, plasmas behave differently than gases, thus representing a fourth state of matter. Plasmas can be commonly seen simply by looking upward; the high energy conditions that exist in stars such as our sun force individual atoms into the plasma state.

    As we have seen, increasing energy leads to more molecular motion. Conversely, decreasing energy results in less molecular motion. As a result, one prediction of Kinetic Molecular Theory is that if we continue to decrease the energy (measured as temperature) of a substance, we will reach a point at which all molecular motion stops. The temperature at which molecular motion stops is called absolute zero and has been calculated to be -273.15 degrees Celsius. While scientists have cooled substances to temperatures close to absolute zero, they have never actually reached absolute zero. The difficulty with observing a substance at absolute zero is that to “see” the substance, light is needed, and light itself transfers energy to the substance, thus raising the temperature. Despite these challenges, scientists have recently observed a fifth state of matter that only exists at temperatures very close to absolute zero.

    Bose-Einstein Condensates represent a fifth state of matter only seen for the first time in 1995. The state is named after Satyendra Nath Bose and Albert Einstein who predicted its existence in the 1920’s. B-E condensates are gaseous superfluids cooled to temperatures very near absolute zero. In this weird state, all the atoms of the condensate attain the same quantum-mechanical state and can flow past one another without friction. Even more strangely, B-E condensates can actually “trap” light, releasing it when the state breaks down.

    Several other less common states of matter have also either been described or actually seen. Some of these states include liquid crystals, fermionic condensates, superfluids, supersolids and the aptly named strange matter. To read more about these phases, visit the Phase page of Wikipedia, linked to below in the Further Exploration section.


    Phase Transitions
    The transformation of one state of matter into another state is called a phase transition. The more common phase transitions even have names; for example, the terms melting and freezing describe phase transitions between the solid and liquid state, and the terms evaporation and condensation describe transitions between the liquid and gas state. Phase transitions occur at very precise points, when the energy (measured as temperature) of a substance in a given state exceeds that allowed in the state. For example, liquid water can exist at a range of temperatures. Cold drinking water may be around 4ºC. Hot shower water has more energy and thus may be around 40ºC. However, at 100°C under normal conditions, water will begin to undergo a phase transition into the gas phase. At this point, energy introduced into the liquid will not go into increasing the temperature; it will be used to send molecules of water into the gas state. Thus, no matter how high the flame is on the stove, a pot of boiling water will remain at 100ºC until all of the water has undergone transition to the gas phase. The excess energy introduced by a high flame will accelerate the liquid-to-gas transition; it will not change the temperature. The heat curve below illustrates the corresponding changes in energy (shown in calories) and temperature of water as it undergoes a phase transition between the liquid and gas states.



    As can be seen in the graph above, as we move from left to right, the temperature of liquid water increases as energy (heat) is introduced. At 100ºC, water begins to undergo a phase transition and the temperature remains constant even as energy is added (the flat part of the graph). The energy that is introduced during this period goes toward breaking intermolecular forces so that individual water molecules can “escape” into the gas state. Finally, once the transition is complete, if further energy is added to the system, the heat of the gaseous water, or steam, will increase.

    This same process can be seen in reverse if we simply look at the graph above starting on the right side and moving left. As steam is cooled, the movement of gaseous water molecules and thus temperature will decrease. When the gas reaches 100ºC, more energy will be lost from the system as the attractive forces between molecules reform; however the temperature remains constant during the transition (the flat part of the graph). Finally, when condensation is complete, the temperature of the liquid will begin to fall as energy is withdrawn.

    Phase transitions are an important part of the world around us. For example, the energy withdrawn when perspiration evaporates from the surface of your skin allows your body to correctly regulate its temperature during hot days. Phase transitions play an important part in geology, influencing mineral formation and possibly even earthquakes. And who can ignore the phase transition that occurs at about -3ºC, when cream, perhaps with a few strawberries or chocolate chunks, begins to form solid ice cream.

    Now we understand what is happening in a pot of boiling water. The energy (heat) introduced at the bottom of the pot causes a localized phase transition of liquid water to the gaseous state. Because gases are less dense than liquids, these localized phase transitions form pockets (or bubbles) of gas, which rise to the surface of the pot and burst. But nature is often more magical than our imaginations. Despite all that we know about the states of matter and phase transitions, we still cannot predict where the individual bubbles will form in a pot of boiling water.


    So these are the Scientific Explanations why Matter Exists.

    Now, may I hear your Explanation why your GOD exist?
    taasa sa tubag oi! wala lang ka nakasabot sa akong pangutana.

    simple ra kaayo akong pangutana: what causes matter to exist?

    ang imong tubag nga pirting taasa nga klaro kaayong gi copy-paste ra nimo, naa nay matter. ang akong pangutana, sa dihang wala pay matter. nikalit ra diay na siyag exist nga walay cause?

    usbon nako ang akong pangutana ug sabta ug maayo: what causes matter to exist?

    cge take two...action!

  8. #218
    Quote Originally Posted by Pein View Post
    taasa sa tubag oi! wala lang ka nakasabot sa akong pangutana.

    simple ra kaayo akong pangutana: what causes matter to exist?

    ang imong tubag nga pirting taasa nga klaro kaayong gi copy-paste ra nimo, naa nay matter. ang akong pangutana, sa dihang wala pay matter. nikalit ra diay na siyag exist nga walay cause?

    usbon nako ang akong pangutana ug sabta ug maayo: what causes matter to exist?

    cge take two...action!
    Simple, energy can create/converted to matter. E=MC^2 remember?
    YouTube - The Big Bang - Forming Matter From Energy

  9. #219
    Quote Originally Posted by schmuck View Post
    Simple, energy can create/converted to matter. E=MC^2 remember?
    YouTube - The Big Bang - Forming Matter From Energy
    ahhhhhhh...so ang cause sa matter to exist is ang energy. unya...unsa man puy cause sa energy to exist?

  10. #220
    Quote Originally Posted by Pein View Post
    ahhhhhhh...so ang cause sa matter to exist is ang energy. unya...unsa man puy cause sa energy to exist?
    The great FSM created this energy. jk

    Seriously, I knew this was your next question. If you follow from my conversation with redhorse, the energy would come from a universe(take note, I am not referring to the expanded universe we are in now) that has always existed

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