Christianity and violence!

[jamesmusslewhite]

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sure im not contesting your loyalty to your christ. go ahead follow him...just like those murderers who followed him also profess to love their neighbors,feed the hungry and so on...

Thank you, I am so glade I have you permission to follow Christ. I will sleep much better tonight, thanks. And I will continue to live a good life and my neighbors will have no need to fear me. And when I die I will be judged the same as all men.

And please you have my permission to live a godless life, just like those who persecuted and continue to persecute Christians.

[Gotterdammerung.2]

No you need to eat you meds, so you can lighten up, Boy.

Look I lived 50 years in the United States. Most of it in Houston, Texas in an area called Montrose. It had one of the largest Gay populations in the United States. They had all right as any other citizen in the United States. I know the media and the Atheist movement. I know that if you posted the ad you spoke of, you would be allowed. Would you anger people yes.
No thanks, I don't need any meds, my mind can still spot the subject. That's exactly my point, you Christian fundamentalists are provoking dis-unity for the sake of preaching your own version of truth. and you guys are doing it for hundreds of years, why is that so? the answer to that question is...your bible is definitely the source of the hate. If it weren't for the champions of freedom these gay people could have been killed by your brothers.
A Homophobe does not need religion to feel being Gay is wrong. That is what it is. I read your Atheist oriented website But it has steadily improved for the now 10% of the American population that are Homosexual. I have watched the progression over 35 years. I have a step brother who I love very much who is Gay.
you are not on topic again for the nth time....
Your point? I am suppose to get your Point? Oh am I suppose to hate someone because of your point? Who are you exactly? God still said it is a sin. Is this the root of your obsession, are you an Atheist because the church rejects your being gay? Or is this just another crusade issue to feed your own obsession?
huh? a discussion w/o a subject or point to follow is more of a circus than a good conversation. huh? you are not following again...tsk tsk...eat something dude...
Homosexuality is a conscious choice. Homosexuality is in most part a progression of initiation not procreation. They are just regular citizens and not a minority class, social class, or nationality.
oh now you want to look good. Very well, but your bible says they deserve to go to hell.
I have an idea kill everyone that is not Gay so it makes Gay's feel better about themselves. Kill everyone who is religious so those of no religion can feel better about themselves. OK who do we kill next so you will feel better about yourself?
what? see...see...your mind is leaning towards violence...kill those who are not gay? eat something...and calm down!
I love the Atheist Double Standard. when Christians post we must only use non religious websites, even education and government sites are not good enough. Yet when Atheist post they can use Atheist based sites as fact not to be challenge. Sorry as a Christian I am told to challenge everything.
huh? post any source you want, don't make excuses. I sense paranoia rising.

your bible is the inspiration of the anti-gay movement.

[Gotterdammerung.2]

Thank you, I am so glade I have you permission to follow Christ. I will sleep much better tonight, thanks. And I will continue to live a good life and my neighbors will have no need to fear me. And when I die I will be judged the same as all men.

And please you have my permission to live a godless life, just like those who persecuted and continue to persecute Christians.

huh?

[Gotterdammerung.2]

When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the LORD thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive, And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife; Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house, and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails; And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife. And it shall be, if thou have no delight in her, then thou shalt let her go whither she will; but thou shalt not sell her at all for money, thou shalt not make merchandise of her, because thou hast humbled her. (Bible, Deuteronomy 21:10-14)


tsk tsk...

[munzter666]

As far as I know, Hinduism is the oldest and the most ancient religion among the five and in fact they don't call it religion but as a way of life coz every person born in India are automatically called indian or Hindu! The bible of the jews and christians were not yet written during that time. The sacred scripture there was THE BHAGAVAD GITA AND THE VEDAS which includes THE UPANISHADS!

Hinduism: Since Sanskrit is the oldest written language, as far as religion being written down, and as far as organized religion is concerned, it would be Hinduism. It is said that when Rama appeared, according to our calendar, was a million or so years ago (not sure of the exact date, but it's a long time!) And Krishna, God himself according to the Vedic scriptures, appeared here 5,000 years ago. Buddha, about 500 B.C., Jesus, about 2,000 years ago. If you go through the different religious book and study this question deeply, you will find out that Hinduism is the oldest religion of the world. There are no dates and facts, but its history is about more than 50000 thousands years ago.

wasnt Zoroastrianism considered one of the oldest reg? which was practiced by the oldest civilization in Mesopotamia...di ba?

[jamesmusslewhite]

wasnt Zoroastrianism considered one of the oldest reg? which was practiced by the oldest civilization in Mesopotamia...di ba?

I know it was once the main religion if Iran, until their King was defeated in battle. Then the whole county was then forced to convert to Islam.

This time of total conversion took about 250 years to spread to all the population of Iran. Islam's "Convert or Die" works well for them. Indonesia is Muslim, Malaysia will be soon, and then the Philippines will be next. You will not follow Christ and the Bible out of free will, but you will surly follow Islam.

Islam will kill the Hebrew, Christian, Pagan, unbeliever, and Atheist alike. Follow Islam or lose your head. They can have mine.

[Hellblazer 2.1]

that's rather harsh, sir. isn't christianity any worse?

[jamesmusslewhite]

that's rather harsh, sir. isn't christianity any worse?

Well evil men have used and twisted the Christian text to justify their acts of evil. "Yes", those that claimed to be Christians have done unspeakable acts in the past, present, and surly will in the future. Do you judge every Christian and hold them accountable for acts committed by others? Postings on this thread shows that answer to be "Yes."
But Christ teachings instructs us to love our neighbor, yes we are instructed to spread the word of Christ throughout the world.
Should the whole Philippines and all Filipinos be judged for the evil acts committed by 100 Filipino's who just massacred innocent people in South Mindanao? They were after all Filipinos. Do you judge all Muslims for the crime? It is a Muslim region, so the must all be Muslim. NO, to do that is IGNORANT! They have to be considered evil acts committed by evil men. And each man's crime considered individually. That is something the forum members seem to have forgotten.

There are some fundamental differences and similarly in Christianity and Islam. I am not Catholic but since it is the largest Church in the Philippines I will reference it, as an example to use only as a comparison. If I get something wrong please feel free to correct me, that is how we learn.

a. Catholic doctrine is "Repent of your sins, so you will have salvation when you die". Islam doctrine is "Repent of your sins, so you will have salvation when you die". So yes in that aspect they are the same.

b. What are the views on Apostacy? Apostacy means to leave a religion. It means to once have been a member or believer in a faith and then to cease to believe or to convert to another faith or to question an important aspect of ones faith.

Catholic doctrine teaches: that a follower can leave the church, but he will be excommunicated (drop from the church roles) but that member is not to be killed, in fact they can freely return to the church later if they choose. Now there are cases in the old testament were Apostacy was punished by death. I do not want to be accused of denial on passages in the Bible, but I will not allow them to be taken out of context. This happens a lot with the text. This is the problem with the Bible, people just choose to use a little here and a little there without considering why they were written. Religious leaders are the worst, and foolish people do not read them for themselves and catch their deceptions. This is how evil men manipulate followers.

Ezekiel 9:5-7 This is not a command – it’s a vision of God’s judgment.
Leviticus 24:10-16 Is orders to Istealites when they were given the land of Canaan on how to deal with the person who tries to lead them away from YHWH.
Deuteronomy 13:6-10; Deuteronomy 13: 12-16; and Deuteronomy 17:2-5 These passages applied to the Istealites at the time of the taking of Canaan. You must be aware of the command to them to eradicate all the pagans from Canaan. This was about keeping “The Promised Land” pure.
2nd Chronicles 12-13 is just that: a chronicle, a record of the fact that the Israelites agreed to the above mentioned rules. It’s not another command.

These are not a command to kill those who commit Apostacy or disbelievers wherever on Earth they may be.

Islam doctrine dictates:
Muslim 623 The Prophet said: "It is not permissible to take the life of a Muslim except in one of the three cases: the married adulterer, a life for a life (if the person is Muslim), and the deserter of Islam."
Bukhari 9:89:271 A man embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism Mu'adh said: "I will not sit down unless you kill him as it is the verdict of Allah and His Apostle"
Bukhari 4:52:260 Ali burnt some people (Zanadiqa, atheists 9:84:57) although the Prophet had said, "Don?t punish anybody with Allah's punishment (Fire)" if a Muslim discards his religion, kill him"

Then consider 164 Jihad Verses in the Koran
The following URL will tell the true belief and plan for all the peoples of the world. These are the Laws that every good Muslim must follow. Do not ignore them read them. This their true plan for the Philippines and every person in the Philippines.

READ THESE - 164 rules in their Qur'an that every true believer of Islam "must" follow.
"164 Jihad Verses in the Koran -- Passages in the Quran about Islamic Holy War" compiled by Yoel Natan

Then you decide if my statement was harsh. Yes the Atheist, Homosexuals, and Lady-boys can insult me and ignore me. But they will want your heads too. And unlike Christians they will not take "No" for an answer.

I love this video - RICHARD DAWKINS REASONS WITH A MUSLIM
YouTube - RICHARD DAWKINS REASONS WITH A MUSLIM

[Malic]

I know it was once the main religion if Iran, until their King was defeated in battle. Then the whole county was then forced to convert to Islam.

This time of total conversion took about 250 years to spread to all the population of Iran. Islam's "Convert or Die" works well for them. Indonesia is Muslim, Malaysia will be soon, and then the Philippines will be next. You will not follow Christ and the Bible out of free will, but you will surly follow Islam.

Islam will kill the Hebrew, Christian, Pagan, unbeliever, and Atheist alike. Follow Islam or lose your head. They can have mine.

tsk..tsk...

Ezekiel 9:5-7 This is not a command – it’s a vision of God’s judgment.
Leviticus 24:10-16 Is orders to Istealites when they were given the land of Canaan on how to deal with the person who tries to lead them away from YHWH.
Deuteronomy 13:6-10; Deuteronomy 13: 12-16; and Deuteronomy 17:2-5 These passages applied to the Istealites at the time of the taking of Canaan. You must be aware of the command to them to eradicate all the pagans from Canaan. This was about keeping “The Promised Land” pure.
2nd Chronicles 12-13 is just that: a chronicle, a record of the fact that the Israelites agreed to the above mentioned rules. It’s not another command.

These are not a command to kill those who commit Apostacy or disbelievers wherever on Earth they may be.

Islam doctrine dictates:
Muslim 623 The Prophet said: "It is not permissible to take the life of a Muslim except in one of the three cases: the married adulterer, a life for a life (if the person is Muslim), and the deserter of Islam."
Bukhari 9:89:271 A man embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism Mu'adh said: "I will not sit down unless you kill him as it is the verdict of Allah and His Apostle"
Bukhari 4:52:260 Ali burnt some people (Zanadiqa, atheists 9:84:57) although the Prophet had said, "Don?t punish anybody with Allah's punishment (Fire)" if a Muslim discards his religion, kill him"

only fools refuse to see the similarities of the atrocities committed by both Religion. If you want to take side, take the road of appeasement.

[force_driven]

oh cmon...religion is not merely believing but it is taking risk on what you believe, if you are not doing what is right then you should examine yourself...

Religion is a a way of life. As what St. James puts it:" Faith without action is dead."

Did you know unsay gipalagan ni Nietzche during his time...... It was because many people are very proud of being a Christian , but are not doing what is morally good.. That's why he said... "God is dead. You and i killed God!" So what is the meaning of this? He said this because kybaw na ta na naa nay laws na gihatag pro nag cge gyapon tag kiat og disobey...sama ra gyapon na sa pagpatay sa Ginoo kung mao man gani na. So mga bros...let's examine our life coz "the unexamined life is not worth living."