Christianity and violence!

[Gotterdammerung.2]

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my friend I don't live my life on conjectural basis.
Well I do not now how that effects the two truths that I mentioned? But if you have an intelligent alternative or third truth please inform me.
And until there is definitive proof that there is no God, than that is a false statement, because you are using conjecture the same as I. This forum is full of statements and comments based on conjecture. You are just being a little high minded might you think?

hmmm, you don't? simple, your truths you say are no truths at all because truths are based on REAL FACTS and your "truths" definitely are not. and you asked how my response affects your so called truths? my goodness, where is your sense? did you stop thinking the day you became a Christian?

sorry I don't have any alternative to your so called truth, my truth is different, it says if it can't be verified drop it.

Fear factor, hahaha. so subtle, but when your mind is educated this kind of argument is easily spotted. for once can you please make an argument that is based on real facts. wait...should I be scared?
Fear Factor? No just a statement of truth from my heart. Not meant it incite phobias, sorry.
I doubt you have the level of education that I have achieved, nor posses the IQ. So stop the supercilious comments. It's indignation does not suit you well. Their are many respected minds in the sciences, education, and on this forum that are more devout than I or share the same level of belief in God or Jesus. By using such statements you are displaying a lack of sophistication and class with such remarks.

oh let me guess, this whole fantasy story of a God tormenting souls once scared you right? and now you want to spread this fear around, and you even had the nerve to call it "truth" thinking that people would buy it the way you bought it. keep it!

James when you say truth it means real,story of souls tormented in hell purely belongs in the myth section of the library. unless you can provide evidence then it will be a different story. the question is, do you have the evidence? if you can't provide one better stop calling it as truth, why? it sounds weird.

oh im not comparing my level of education with yours dude, kindly re-read my previous post, how's your vision by the way?


Why be scared? We will all face the same Judgements in the end. You can read of it in the Torah, Bible, Qur'an; and Yama in Buddhism, Hinduism. and early mythologies of China, Korea, and Japan.

haha, the poor guy can't spot sarcastic question.

did I say im scared? haha.
don't be paranoid, nobody is asking you to drop your fatih, lols!! here we go again your story of satan and how your soul is lost, terrible, your church did a good job. Let me guess, you were lonely at that moment and life seem to have lost its meaning, right? then you found hope in Jesus. Let me tell you something... emotionally disturb people are easy preys for the pious predators. too bad they got you.
No, that was the time when I was married had a new baby son, a practicing Atheist and was working at NASA as a Evolutionary Biologist/ Botanist. Friends of mine who also worked for NASA would talk with me and ask me questions. I sat back down and reread the Bible so I could discuss the subject of the Bible without showing them my lack of true knowledge of the content of the text, as you have done. And in my act of defiance I reconnecting to my faith. Irony I was studying to try and slam God, and God instead slammed me. There is humor in that. Do yourself a favor chief, actually read the Bible and stop trying to be an amateur psychologist. Frankly you suck at it. Sorry I did not fit in the mold of your little theory.
Pious Predators? Play a little RPG Lancea Sanctum? Also watch out for those monstrous paladins.

hmmm, traces of schizophrenic behavior spotted, God slammed you? haha. It's a nice story, you tried to look for ways to discredit the bible but unfortunately the fantastic(Based on or existing only in fantasy; unreal) story caught your child self or was it guilt that made you changed your mind? when you read a book please be aware that words can arouse different emotions, and please don't be carried away by it. i

p.s...do you have any adventures with Cinderella? can you tell me something about it? Satan is boring.
Why do you need a pair of glass slippers to dance around the subjects? I would think you would find Satan a fascinating topic. Know who you follow.

not me, I was aking if you have any adventures with her because stories about satan is boring. by the way your subject falls under fantasy, I have no plans of dancing around it. I follow satan? wow can you see him? hmmm...

I'm still waiting for you to tell me REAL stories.

[Gotterdammerung.2]

Yes I do follow Christ, who tells me to feed, cloth, love my neighbor, to forgive my enemies, and love others more than myself. Nowhere in thoses passages does it say only those that follow me. Or if I do not like them, then kill them. Jesus never struck a man, cursed a man, or ordered other to harm anybody. When his Apostles went out to teach his word they went into the lands of the unbelievers and Pagans; armed only with his message of love. Yep I am the one mixed up, if that helps you feel better about yourself.

Jesus if he is god is sending people to hell(love fail) that's what your bible said right? when he entered a temple he whipped the merchants and destroyed their tables, hmmm such love...

I will gladly follow Christ where ever he takes me, even to my death. My death will probably be at the hands of a unbeliever, false Christian, or Pagan. If that is his will, then so be it. Not mechanically as some mindless robot, but rather with love, my freedom of will, purpose, and all my emotions. I will out live my executioner. I will have everlasting life and freedom from the Second Death. You do not need to believe me to make me happy, Why should what you think of me matter?

Yes I am the one mixed up, but I thank God I am not like you anymore.

now I remember the story of the Pharisees where he prayed and thanked God that he was not like the poor beggar. haha.

judging your behavior i guess the church did a good job.

[Gotterdammerung.2]

what do we expect from a thread starter who awaits the end of the gods?
there are no odins and freya's to start with. and even wagner is too much.

im not waiting, its done.

[Gotterdammerung.2]

Jesus died for man to be saved. If you want to use Jesus words to try to justify Wicca beliefs, that is your prerogative. You believe yourself to be a superior intellect, so you are a big boy. If you are wrong in your actions you will be standing before the one you insult. Try to impress him with your cute little song and dance routine. I am sure he will be quit amused, you seem to already know how he feel on the subject. Maybe you can try your amateur psychology.

huh? wicca belief? no I don't dance around with someone that don't exist.

[chad_tukes]

Yes I do follow Christ, who tells me to feed, cloth, love my neighbor, to forgive my enemies, and love others more than myself. Nowhere in thoses passages does it say only those that follow me. Or if I do not like them, then kill them. Jesus never struck a man, cursed a man, or ordered other to harm anybody. When his Apostles went out to teach his word they went into the lands of the unbelievers and Pagans; armed only with his message of love. Yep I am the one mixed up, if that helps you feel better about yourself.

I will gladly follow Christ where ever he takes me, even to my death. My death will probably be at the hands of a unbeliever, false Christian, or Pagan. If that is his will, then so be it. Not mechanically as some mindless robot, but rather with love, my freedom of will, purpose, and all my emotions. I will out live my executioner. I will have everlasting life and freedom from the Second Death. You do not need to believe me to make me happy, Why should what you think of me matter?

Yes I am the one mixed up, but I thank God I am not like you anymore.

you are following Christ but you are choosing to ignore what God commands you to do: which is to kill thy neighbor if he turns his back on God. why ignore that my friend? because you are afraid of the laws of man? you are picking which rule you should follow. if you are indeed a true follower, you would not choose which you follow and not follow. if God tells you to do this, you should do this. isn't that written in the Bible?

[bodie]

Well the difference between us comes down to two truths.
Well from one possible lost puppy to another lost puppy there can only be two truths.

a. If you are right, then when I die I will find that I am a fool.
or
b. If you are wrong, then when you die you may find you were a bigger fool.

For your sake, I hope that I am a foolish lost sick mentally ill puppy. Because if I am right, I hate to think that so many will be damned to eternal torments. I hope I am wrong.

Kabalo ka unsa ni? This is Pascal's wager. Logical Fallacy na bai.


I find it funny. The "Christians" who do these acts (Kill in the name of God, bomb abortion clinics, etc.) are doing these acts convinced that they are doing the right thing. A lot of them are even encouraged to do so by their pastors (e.g. Pastors praying for Obama's death, pastors advocating death to heretics and witches, and yes, pastors who support acts of the nature in the original post). How can you say that these people were wrong? Their faith certainly wasnt lacking.

Mu ingun lang dayun ning mga cristiano dire nga: "Dili man na sila true Christians" LOL!!!!

Hugas lagi dayun sa kamot.

If ingana wala na mabilin nga cristyano sa kalibutan.

Open your eyes! Believe in a religion or not, dont sweep these things under the rug.

[Pein]

Kabalo ka unsa ni? This is Pascal's wager. Logical Fallacy na bai.


I find it funny. The "Christians" who do these acts (Kill in the name of God, bomb abortion clinics, etc.) are doing these acts convinced that they are doing the right thing. A lot of them are even encouraged to do so by their pastors (e.g. Pastors praying for Obama's death, pastors advocating death to heretics and witches, and yes, pastors who support acts of the nature in the original post). How can you say that these people were wrong? Their faith certainly wasnt lacking.

Mu ingun lang dayun ning mga cristiano dire nga: "Dili man na sila true Christians" LOL!!!!

Hugas lagi dayun sa kamot.

If ingana wala na mabilin nga cristyano sa kalibutan.

Open your eyes! Believe in a religion or not, dont sweep these things under the rug.

nagtuo diay kag common ang "Christians"? gamay ra intawn ang Christians kung buot hunahunaon...

1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

common ba ang Christian? nga kung mutuo na ug Ginoo Christian na? dili oi...dili tanang muingon Christian sila tinuod na...

Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

see? makapagawas na gani silag mga demonyo wala pa gani ilha samot na kaha tong kutob ra sa baba ang pagka Christiano pero ang buhat demonio...

Tit 1:16 They profess that they know God; but by their works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

dili tanang nag ingon nga Christian sila tinuod na moy. ang proof nga dili sila Christiano tan awa ang buhat diba demonio...

[jamesmusslewhite]

Kabalo ka unsa ni? This is Pascal's wager. Logical Fallacy na bai.


I find it funny. The "Christians" who do these acts (Kill in the name of God, bomb abortion clinics, etc.) are doing these acts convinced that they are doing the right thing. A lot of them are even encouraged to do so by their pastors (e.g. Pastors praying for Obama's death, pastors advocating death to heretics and witches, and yes, pastors who support acts of the nature in the original post). How can you say that these people were wrong? Their faith certainly wasnt lacking.

Mu ingun lang dayun ning mga cristiano dire nga: "Dili man na sila true Christians" LOL!!!!

Hugas lagi dayun sa kamot.

If ingana wala na mabilin nga cristyano sa kalibutan.

Open your eyes! Believe in a religion or not, dont sweep these things under the rug.

That is the problem, the concept of Religion. Religion is a man made concept. There is the word of God, just man wants to cut it up into groups and then fight over which is right and which is wrong. That's Satan's trick and man just loves to line up and kiss his ass. F__k the concept of Religions you bunch of stupid people. Read the words of God for yourself, live by the words of God, and this will be a good world. Such a simple thing, but everyone has their heads up their asses. It is the greed and petty sensitivities of ignorant men which cause the problems and sufferings in this world. Not religions, but evil men, yes they can use religion as an excuse or vindication for their evil acts, but they are only liars. Evil men make religion evil, by twisting the interpretations and mistranslating Gods words. And stupid people are to willing to follow.

Sweep it under a rug, how not ignoring the root of the problem. Man does not need religion to do evil acts, there are anti religious leaders and societies who have done far worst. Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot were Atheist and hated religion too, yet they murdered over 135.7 MILLION OF THEIR OWN PEOPLE- SEVENTY MILLION CITIZENS, and felt justified in their beliefs of no Gods. THREE times as many then were killed in WW1, WW2, KOREAN WAR, VIETNAM, 2 GULF WARS, and AFGHANISTAN. ATHEIST LEADERS KILLED OVER 135.7 MILLION PEOPLE, some report may be as high as 160 million. So lets abolish Atheism and Communism----Lets do not sweep that under the rug!!!! That is a minimum of 10 people for every Filipino man, woman, and child living in the world today. That is sick. How many of them were killed just because they were Jewish, Christians, or Buddhist?
Lenin & Trotsky- 4 Million
Stalin----------- 60 Million
Mao-------------70 Million
Pol Pot----------1.7 Million
135.7 Million
Religion is not the problem, Atheist are not the problem. Evil men and ignorant people that follow them are the root of the problem. Maybe we are aborting the wrong ones?
Find another reason to hate God, and persecute Jews and Christians. But put the blame where it truly belongs. If not that you are just part of the problem and not a solution. Jesus teaches me to forgive my neighbor and love him more than myself. Even evil and stupid people.

Frankly I will be glad when God comes and wipes this world clean of this ignorance. He is coming, which side will you be standing is your choice. Choose wisely.

MAN IS EVIL, AND PEOPLE ARE STUPID********RELIGION IS YOUR ONLY HOPE_FROM FOOLS!

[regnauld]

That is the problem, the concept of Religion. Religion is a man made concept. There is the word of God, just man wants to cut it up intp groups and then fight over which is right and which is wrong. F__k Religion stupid people. Read the words of God, live by the words of God, and this will be a good world. Such a simple thing, but everyone has their hears up their asses. It is the greed and sensitivities of ignorant men which cause the problems and sufferings in this world. Not religions, evil men, yes they can use religion as an excuse or vindication for their evil, but they are only liars.Evil men make religion evil. And stupid people follow.

Sweep it under a rug, how not ignoring the root of the problem. Man does not need religion to do evil acts, there are anti religious leaders and socities who have done far worst. Lenin, Stalin, Moa, and Pol Pot were Atheist and hated religion too, yet they murdered over 70 MILLION OF THEIR OWN PEOPLE- SEVENTY MILLION CITIZENS, and felt justified in their beliefs of no Gods. Twice as many then was killed in WW1, WW2, KOREAN WAR, VIETNAM, 2 GULF WARS, and AFGHANISTAN. ATHEIST KILLED OVER 70 MILLION PEOPLE, some report may be as high as 90 million. So lets abolish Atheism and Communism----Lets do not sweep that under the rug!!!! That is a minimum of 7 people for every Filipino man, woman, and child living in the world today.

Religion is not the problem, Atheist are not the problem. Evil men and ignorant people. Maybe we are aborting the wrong ones? Find another reason to hate God, that is sure to help, or maybe you are part of the problem and not a solution. Jesus teaches me to forgive my neighbor and love him more than myself. Frankly I will be glad when God comes and wipes this world clean of this ignorance. He is coming, which side will you be standing is your choice. Choose wisely.

MAN IS EVIL, AND PEOPLE ARE STUPID********RELIGION IS YOUR ONLY HOPE_FROM FOOLS!

Religion is a man made concept according to you and how about the bible, do you think its a human invention too? Without religion, the bible would not have been produced.

[jamesmusslewhite]

Religion is a man made concept according to you and how about the bible, do you think its a human invention too? Without religion, the bible would not have been produced.

Cute response but the Biblical text were a people writing their own personal history of their people and their relationship with their God. God picked them because all the rest of the world's people were not considered worthy in his eyes. The Hebrews were his favorite. Jesus was a Jewish Rabbi. If you are not a natural born Jew, than you are a Gentiles. Gentiles were not considered worthy, for we are less than dogs. Christ came for the Jews not us, but they refused him and that opened the door for the Gentiles. We dogs took their text and twisted their religion to what ever shape we choose was worthy for us. God gave his laws to the Hebrews, Jesus gave his message first to the Hebrew and his Apostles to the Gentiles. The early follower did not consider religion when they wrote the text, they were documenting the words and laws of God and the Christ. Religions which sprang out of those writing is man's invention and a man made concept. Frankly if you just read the text, Jesus said pray in a closet and in secret, that the temple is in the heart, and to tear down the temple.

Here is a Good Example of the lies of Man's Religion Vs the true word of God:
You go to church and the priest, pastor, or preacher tells you to give him tithes, and how you are sinning to God if you do not do so. WHY? The Old Testament explains Tithes. 12 tribes of Israel-11 tribes gave tithes to the 12th tribe the Levites. The Levites were instructed who to spend the tithes to maintain the Holy Temple. Is there now a Holt Temple? No it was destroyed. Jesus the Son of God never asked for money for his teachings, Why? He was not a Levite, and for him to accept money was a blaspheme and a sin towards God. If a man ask you for a tithe it is a blaspheme, and if you give him you tithe it is a sin. No church is the Holy Temple, no Gentile is a Levite, and churches do not distribute the tithes as instructed by God. The church is more concern with your money than your soul----THAT IS MAN'S RELIGION. God and Christ's words are rules and lessons to be learned in fellowship with other believers. You can be butt necked and covered in filth and still receive the word of God and Christ. It is not by going to fancy temples, wearing fine cloths, and acting pious. That is the trick of Satan and the vanity of stupid man. God and Christ's words are truth, man's religions are lies and ignorance of the text.

Only Christ can establish the true church when he returns. His words are Christ's Universal Church and it is in the hearts of man. No Church has the right to claim it is Christ's Universal Church. Read the Bible yourself and show me were I am wrong, and I can look the Pope, Priest, Preachers, and Pastors and call them blaspheming sinning liars. They can not prove me wrong, for the bible they hold and the one you will read will tell you that fact.

And as a fellow Gentile and seeing the responses of many of the unbelievers on this Forum, I am now understand God's reasoning. We are unworthy.

Just a note: If you do read the Bible, use one that ignores the 15th century Latin translations. There are Bibles that go back to the earliest root text (Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic); also read the Hebrew Bible (Tanakh) and the lost books which most that were not completely lost can be found at www.thelostbooks.com Then you can understand what man's false religions are trying to hide from you.