Christianity and violence!

[Gotterdammerung.2]

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Violent inclinations in Christianity are apparent right from the beginning. Jesus is traditionally portrayed as a kind and loving teacher, such that even non-Christians often have an idealized image of him. However, not all of what he reportedly said or did fits within such a characterization - and some of what he did certainly doesn't reflect the better teachings he is supposed to have promoted. For example, he was quite explicit in his condemnation of those who would not follow his teachings, saying to his disciples: "And if any one will not receive you in your words, shake off the dust from your feet as you leave that house or town. Truly, I say unto you, it shall be more tolerable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah than for that town." (Matt. 10:14-15).

Yes why waste good time and effort on those who will not change. Leave them to accept the punishment of their choices. Go seek those who wish to be saved. Jesus knew the punishment of his Father. If a man wishes to be a dog, than let him be a dog. If a man wishes to walk with God, than show him the path. How simple.

Did the verse mention "change"? it says "will not receive my words" , by the way they can change w/o Jesus, the verse is encouraging apathy, and you my friend obviously is trap in it.


If Jesus and God have so little regard for nonbelievers, why should any of their followers? If Jesus can relegate nonbelievers to an eternity of torment, why should they expect higher standards from his followers here? In fact, nonbelievers did not fare any better after Christianity gained official support from the Roman Empire. Despite having been on the receiving end of persecution for many years, Christians refused to take any moral high ground and quickly proceeded to treat pagans with as much contempt and violence as they previously experienced.
Despite the fact that forgiveness is supposed to be a central aspect of Christian theology, Jesus was clear that not everyone could be forgiven: "...whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness and is guilty of an eternal sin." (Mark 3:29) If someone considers another person to have committed such an act, they would not need to take their feelings very far into account - after all, if Jesus will not forgive that person, why should anyone else? As we will see, Christians certainly did not act in a forgiving manner to the pagans whom they had in their control.
Yep God hates Pagans so much he allowed unbelievers and Pagans to murder his only son, so unbelievers and Pagans could find salvation. Pagan beat Christ to the point that it was said that he was unrecognizable as a man. Pagans spit, whipped, beat. kicked, humiliated, tortured, and murdered him. How did the son of God respond? He asked his Father to forgive them.

right right but not everyone can be forgiven that's the point here, your marketing fails. try another one.
Jesus loves every man, but it is a man's choice to love Jesus. No man could walk the path of Jesus. He was doing his father's will. He was born to be murdered so YOU can have salvation. You reward him by committing acts that cheapen his sacrifice, you turn your back to him, insult him, insult his Father, insult his teachings, and insult his believers. Just exactly what do you think he owes you? What reward do you give such selfish acts?

at one point you said that God hates pagans but here He loves every man? don't play tricks dude.

thank you for your lecture but no thanks keep your myth to yourself. I don't need anyone murdered for my own salvation.

He loves and blesses those that will follow, but if you choose to be a Pagan than you get what you earn. Christians have always suffered at the hands of Pagans and unbelievers. Satan hates Christians.
Christianity and Violence: Early History

keep the satan story to yourself it's not in my book.

you missed the point of the article. let me refresh it for you. Jesus' apathy and hatred to anything un-Jesus have spark indifference towards non-Christians. You and other self-righteous brothers of yours have piously demonstrated this animosity. what is the source? Jesus' examples in the bible.

[jamesmusslewhite]

I don't think they are lost. Being logical is delusional nowadays? where did you get that? haha

Maybe to someone delusional like you who thinks that God exist, they are lost puppies, but who cares?, words from people suffering a mental disease deserves no respect and cost cheap in the market of ideas. Prove your God first then maybe that way your words would matter.

Hanging on to an invisible being is really sick.

Well the difference between us comes down to two truths.
Well from one possible lost puppy to another lost puppy there can only be two truths.

a. If you are right, then when I die I will find that I am a fool.
or
b. If you are wrong, then when you die you may find you were a bigger fool.

For your sake, I hope that I am a foolish lost sick mentally ill puppy. Because if I am right, I hate to think that so many will be damned to eternal torments. I hope I am wrong.

I will still choose to keep my faith, and take any and all insults. I was once an Atheist shaking my fist at God, but God allowed me to find my way back to the narrow path. I will never step off that path again. Satan lost this kid, and he know I know of him and that I defy his lie. You are trapped in the web of that lie, and belong to him. You do not even realize you are in the middle of a 36,000 year old war. Yet you claim to be enlightened? I hope to help any that are willing to listen, those who are willing to leave that broad road. Those that refuse to listen, Oh well. All I can do is throw the seed.

[jamesmusslewhite]

[/i]you missed the point of the article. let me refresh it for you. Jesus' apathy and hatred to anything un-Jesus have spark indifference towards non-Christians. You and other self-righteous brothers of yours have piously demonstrated this animosity. what is the source? Jesus' examples in the bible. [/color]

Animosity? I just refuse to follow Satan's lie.
My statements are not self-righteous. I struggle to even try to be righteous. Every man falls short of the Glory of God every day. I only say what has been written 3,300 to 1,900 years before I was even born. These are not my words. But your word are yours. That is the difference, and the Animosity is yours oh insulting one.

[Gotterdammerung.2]

Well the difference between us comes down to two truths.
Well from one possible lost puppy to another lost puppy there can only be two truths.

a. If you are right, then when I die I will find that I am a fool.
or
b. If you are wrong, then when you die you may find you were a bigger fool.

my friend I don't live my life on conjectural basis.

For your sake, I hope that I am a foolish lost sick mentally ill puppy. Because if I am right, I hate to think that so many will be damned to eternal torments. I hope I am wrong.

Fear factor, hahaha. so subtle, but when your mind is educated this kind of argument is easily spotted. for once can you please make an argument that is based on real facts. wait...should I be scared?

I will still choose to keep my faith, and take any and all insults. I was once an Atheist shaking my fist at God, but God allowed me to find my way back to the narrow path. I will never step off that path again. Satan lost this kid, and he know I know of him and that I defy his lie. You are trapped in the web of that lie, and belong to him. You do not even realize you are in the middle of a 36,000 year old war. Yet you claim to be enlightened? I hope to help any that are willing to listen, those who are willing to leave that broad road. Those that refuse to listen, Oh well. All I can do is throw the seed.

don't be paranoid, nobody is asking you to drop your fatih, lols!! here we go again your story of satan and how your soul is lost, terrible, your church did a good job. Let me guess, you were lonely at that moment and life seem to have lost its meaning, right? then you found hope in Jesus. Let me tell you something... emotionally disturb people are easy preys for the pious predators. too bad they got you.

p.s...do you have any adventures with Cinderella? can you tell me something about it? Satan is boring.

[Gotterdammerung.2]

Animosity? I just refuse to follow Satan's lie.
My statements are not self-righteous. I struggle to even try to be righteous. Every man falls short of the Glory of God every day. I only say what has been written 3,300 to 1,900 years before I was even born. These are not my words. But your word are yours. That is the difference, and the Animosity is yours oh insulting one.

wrong, you are mixing it up....you are following Jesus' examples. his hate towards anything he doesn't like you mechanically follow.

[jamesmusslewhite]

my friend I don't live my life on conjectural basis.
Well I do not now how that effects the two truths that I mentioned? But if you have an intelligent alternative or third truth please inform me.
And until there is definitive proof that there is no God, than that is a false statement, because you are using conjecture the same as I. This forum is full of statements and comments based on conjecture. You are just being a little high minded might you think?

Fear factor, hahaha. so subtle, but when your mind is educated this kind of argument is easily spotted. for once can you please make an argument that is based on real facts. wait...should I be scared?
Fear Factor? No just a statement of truth from my heart. Not meant it incite phobias, sorry.
I doubt you have the level of education that I have achieved, nor posses the IQ. So stop the supercilious comments. It's indignation does not suit you well. Their are many respected minds in the sciences, education, and on this forum that are more devout than I or share the same level of belief in God or Jesus. By using such statements you are displaying a lack of sophistication and class with such remarks.
Why be scared? We will all face the same Judgements in the end. You can read of it in the Torah, Bible, Qur'an; and Yama in Buddhism, Hinduism. and early mythologies of China, Korea, and Japan.
don't be paranoid, nobody is asking you to drop your fatih, lols!! here we go again your story of satan and how your soul is lost, terrible, your church did a good job. Let me guess, you were lonely at that moment and life seem to have lost its meaning, right? then you found hope in Jesus. Let me tell you something... emotionally disturb people are easy preys for the pious predators. too bad they got you.
No, that was the time when I was married had a new baby son, a practicing Atheist and was working at NASA as a Evolutionary Biologist/ Botanist. Friends of mine who also worked for NASA would talk with me and ask me questions. I sat back down and reread the Bible so I could discuss the subject of the Bible without showing them my lack of true knowledge of the content of the text, as you have done. And in my act of defiance I reconnecting to my faith. Irony I was studying to try and slam God, and God instead slammed me. There is humor in that. Do yourself a favor chief, actually read the Bible and stop trying to be an amateur psychologist. Frankly you suck at it. Sorry I did not fit in the mold of your little theory.
Pious Predators? Play a little RPG Lancea Sanctum? Also watch out for those monstrous paladins.

p.s...do you have any adventures with Cinderella? can you tell me something about it? Satan is boring.
Why do you need a pair of glass slippers to dance around the subjects? I would think you would find Satan a fascinating topic. Know who you follow.

Jesus died for man to be saved. If you want to use Jesus words to try to justify Wicca beliefs, that is your prerogative. You believe yourself to be a superior intellect, so you are a big boy. If you are wrong in your actions you will be standing before the one you insult. Try to impress him with your cute little song and dance routine. I am sure he will be quit amused, you seem to already know how he feel on the subject. Maybe you can try your amateur psychology.

[The_Child]

what do we expect from a thread starter who awaits the end of the gods?
there are no odins and freya's to start with. and even wagner is too much.

[jamesmusslewhite]

what do we expect from a thread starter who awaits the end of the gods?
there are no odins and freya's to start with. and even wagner is too much.

Yep, too orchestrated and the best part is when the Fat Lady Sings...LoL

[gabstafari]

you sure about this? true followers of Christs like priests, bishops, etc... were the same people who perpetrated the Spanish Inquisition. heretics burned alive, killed publicly, because they turned their backs on their so-called "GOD".

the grudge 2

[jamesmusslewhite]

wrong, you are mixing it up....you are following Jesus' examples. his hate towards anything he doesn't like you mechanically follow.

Yes I do follow Christ, who tells me to feed, cloth, love my neighbor, to forgive my enemies, and love others more than myself. Nowhere in thoses passages does it say only those that follow me. Or if I do not like them, then kill them. Jesus never struck a man, cursed a man, or ordered other to harm anybody. When his Apostles went out to teach his word they went into the lands of the unbelievers and Pagans; armed only with his message of love. Yep I am the one mixed up, if that helps you feel better about yourself.

I will gladly follow Christ where ever he takes me, even to my death. My death will probably be at the hands of a unbeliever, false Christian, or Pagan. If that is his will, then so be it. Not mechanically as some mindless robot, but rather with love, my freedom of will, purpose, and all my emotions. I will out live my executioner. I will have everlasting life and freedom from the Second Death. You do not need to believe me to make me happy, Why should what you think of me matter?

Yes I am the one mixed up, but I thank God I am not like you anymore.