Why Humans Believe in God

[Existanz]

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yeah... you think of GOD when you're stuck in traffic. you "pray" to an entity that you don't see in hopes that he's gonna let you pass your board exam. you face some corrupt official and you THINK of GOD and you feel better afterwards. you see flooding in Manila and you wonder how your GOD could be such a bad GOD for allowing this to happen.

@bold font...hmmm...so now weather is one of the evil occurrence in this world..might as well thrown in gravity as one of God's manifestation of His clumsiness..heck..why don't we include the entire universe!

would you not say that these are all PSYCHOLOGICAL? of course it is. you THINK God, you FEEL God, you even SEE God in your dreams (even day dreams). you have GOD within you and he becomes your personal GOD---but that doesn't mean he exists.

Well...scientifically you can say that which was your choice...for me I prefer to call it SPIRITUAL..hehe
God does not exists if you used the word 'exist' the way you described things within our finite existential box of reality...ever tried painting a donkey in 4 dimension? Don't ask me something like a 4 dimension canvass hehehe..if you can do that I'll join back your party..

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

you have a point, though the intention of this thread is really not to question the existence of God that is why I didn’t put a question mark; it’s a statement. Presenting a fact is my original aim---and the fact is that GOD is all in the mind. Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

The thread indeed implies that God is only in the minds of human beings but by butting in its counter of disproving it not by issues ABOUT God but by a SUPREME BEING's existence , its already OT . Now if we present facts thru logic reasoning , it is shallow but makes sense . That GOD is all in the mind and doesnt exist therefore , our minds itself dont exist .

It is not right because our MINDS do exist therefore , GOD exist .

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[chad_tukes]

style and technique comes in a variety of forms... later on we will notice whats real and whats fake. Good thing u said it... so at least you wont do it... or would you? hmmm. Im just reading brad sa mga posts diri... if i suspect then that does not mean ur guilty... dont worry i wont arrest you... hehehe! just want to tell people to look after you.

ok.

defensive naman gani ka nga dili na mao akong intention
--- defense is the primary and safe way to do, of the so called anticipation.

i admit to not know everything. at least i'm not so quick to assume that GOD created something from nothing. do you see how it's wrong in so many ways?

it's funny that you bring that up.. Darwin's Natural Selection in that respect has no proof whatsoever.. although phylogenetics will show that calculations on trees of genetic data represent a sort of *lineage*, that is still hypothetical. but I'm not against it.. I'm not totally for it either because the situation is still hypothetical.. maybe over time some *real* physical event will show it.

on a minute scale, scientists have discovered that species acquire Transposable Elements (TEs) (aside from other types of mutations) over time to help the *evolution* and *acquiring of genes* part, but as to how the number of chromosomes increase in number, that is nowhere in the literature yet.

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higher beings in this case, again, is not the god of the religions.. I thought Nietzsche already said that *God* is dead..

that is correct---but Darwinian Natural Selection is the more acceptable theory than the theory of design, which by any means, do not explain in complex detail the origin of life. it's ironic, theologians argue that it's all about the simplicity of it, yet contradicts themselves by saying GOD is a complex being. the argument of design is quick to judge that a complex being waved a magic wand and created everything. as i've mentioned, it creates a bigger problem because we would then question where God came from. that is why i said it's on the highest degree of improbability. Natural selection is statistically improbable. design---not.

I understand precisely you're coming from.. you talk of God in human terms, the way your mind fashion its.. on that, I would agree with you relatively speaking..

but the God I have been talking about is just not that.. its not God of the Gaps, that kind of argument is left undiscovered and better left undiscovered.. the God I am talking about is the Infinite essence.. that mere mortals can only talk of. as the proverbial blind men and the elephant would describe.. only they are also describing themselves altogether.

this God that I have been talking about also is in part experienced thru the *human* heart.. char.. hehe

i guess i was confused with your own definition of GOD (i'm even confused if you claim to be atheist or on the edge of becoming one. perhaps you're one of those atheist at heart but refuse to admit) oh well...

[chad_tukes]

@bold font...hmmm...so now weather is one of the evil occurrence in this world..might as well thrown in gravity as one of God's manifestation of His clumsiness..heck..why don't we include the entire universe!

yeah. funny, isn't it? yet that's reality. people tend to blame GOD for their failures. why not tell GOD to stop earthquakes, floods, typhoons, to make this world a better place? now i'm reminded of Michael Jackson.

Well...scientifically you can say that which was your choice...for me I prefer to call it SPIRITUAL..hehe
God does not exists if you used the word 'exist' the way you described things within our finite existential box of reality...ever tried painting a donkey in 4 dimension? Don't ask me something like a 4 dimension canvass hehehe..if you can do that I'll join back your party..

i give you credit for answering my first question in this thread---and you did a good job at that. thanks.

[kebotDiNaMute]

i admit to not know everything. at least i'm not so quick to assume that GOD created something from nothing. do you see how it's wrong in so many ways?



that is correct---but Darwinian Natural Selection is the more acceptable theory than the theory of design, which by any means, do not explain in complex detail the origin of life. it's ironic, theologians argue that it's all about the simplicity of it, yet contradicts themselves by saying GOD is a complex being. the argument of design is quick to judge that a complex being waved a magic wand and created everything. as i've mentioned, it creates a bigger problem because we would then question where God came from. that is why i said it's on the highest degree of improbability. Natural selection is statistically improbable. design---not.



i guess i was confused with your own definition of GOD (i'm even confused if you claim to be atheist or on the edge of becoming one. perhaps you're one of those atheist at heart but refuse to admit) oh well...

i admit to not know everything. at least i'm not so quick to assume that GOD created something from nothing. do you see how it's wrong in so many ways?
--- yes you are wrong again... do you know the meaning of god? if he is limited its called (small)gods. Sorry chad i am refering to the omni... the creator of heaven and earth... One thing he cannot do now is for you to believe him, because he entrusted you that obligation to fulfill it not him doing it for you.
Sorry chad, you are free to believe what you want to, but i am also entitled to believe you are WRONG.

[kebotDiNaMute]

yeah. funny, isn't it? yet that's reality. people tend to blame GOD for their failures. why not tell GOD to stop earthquakes, floods, typhoons, to make this world a better place? now i'm reminded of Michael Jackson.



i give you credit for answering my first question in this thread---and you did a good job at that. thanks.

yeah. funny, isn't it? yet that's reality. people tend to blame GOD for their failures. why not tell GOD to stop earthquakes, floods, typhoons, to make this world a better place?
--- its called freewill brad. But that does not deny the fact that HE allowed it as what you have mentioned. They blame god because there is no other they could ask for mercy.
--- for me brad its good thing they turn to God in the first place either complaining or whatever. God can handle the Universe, men? hmmm no contest... Its one way God tells his people he is watching over things to happen and will happen. Maybe you are the only one not seeing this chad... Using people except you... must be your some kind of special... I hope its not a feeling to be special because it implies another thing...

Let them ask the Lord, and let the Lord answers them.

Ok ba chad? I am taking advantage of your very difficult situations chad... thanks to Him...

[kebotDiNaMute]

that is correct---but Darwinian Natural Selection is the more acceptable theory than the theory of design, which by any means, do not explain in complex detail the origin of life. it's ironic, theologians argue that it's all about the simplicity of it, yet contradicts themselves by saying GOD is a complex being.

--- its better to leave it unknown, than to settle for a LIES-AFTER-LIES. In many ways Evolution is a backward progress. dba? hmmmm, i hope you see this.

[kebotDiNaMute]

yeah. funny, isn't it? yet that's reality. people tend to blame GOD for their failures. why not tell GOD to stop earthquakes, floods, typhoons, to make this world a better place? now i'm reminded of Michael Jackson.

by the way chad, in a boat Christ is asleep, when a strong typhoon rock the boat with the apostles. His apostles wake him up and jesus calmed the raging sea...

Implication:
Jesus asleep
--- he was tired, he is human, he is subject to physical limitation and laws...

Apostle wake him up.
--- even the closest of friend a brother who was with him for a time, still never recognize him as someone greater.

Jesus calm the raging sea.
--- even then as what you have primarily asked him to do... not all men believe. Not even you.

funny chad? by the way this is just one of the many wonders he demonstrated...


for the lols:
i give you credit for answering my first question in this thread---and you did a good job at that. thanks.
--- dont give him CREDIT, he will pay for it... give him DEBIT instead and me too... acct number: 1xxx-xxxxx-xxx-01

[The_Child]

higher beings in this case, again, is not the god of the religions.. I thought Nietzsche already said that *God* is dead..


I understand precisely you're coming from.. you talk of God in human terms, the way your mind fashion its.. on that, I would agree with you relatively speaking..

but the God I have been talking about is just not that.. its not God of the Gaps, that kind of argument is left undiscovered and better left undiscovered.. the God I am talking about is the Infinite essence.. that mere mortals can only talk of. as the proverbial blind men and the elephant would describe.. only they are also describing themselves altogether.

this God that I have been talking about also is in part experienced thru the *human* heart.. char.. hehe

the 'god' etched in our heart is the same etching, that gives us, the experience that it is not really there.
the same "infinite essence" that compels us to think of a God beyond us, is the same "infinite essence" that reflects the very abyss of our unconscious.

so far as we want to consider a god written in our heart, we should also consider that the etching is not really divine but also an all too human illusion.
so far as we want to consider that "infinite essence" to which we owe awe, compels us to think of God, we should also consider that it is just our all too human quality for fictive meaning ( we create imaginary situations to find meaning)
hahaha.

"People believe in the divine not because they require a father/mother figure in their lives"

...that I'm sharing an opinion, and this opinion of mine doesn't necessarily have to be something that needs to be believed in, or needs to be followed.

So allow me to make another statement that goes in line with the thread topic:

People believe in the divine because they feel their lives are more "structured", has direction, and therefore "safer" in their eyes (i.e. it's a lot safer to walk forward, because you can see where you are going, than walk backward, because you cannot see where you are going).

-RODION

freud is of course a bit obsolete.

to acknowledge a God, a divine reality, because it stems from the premise of 'security' , bounces the problem with tis solution.
the problem: GOd, which cannot be experienced, sensed, cannot be empirically proven.
the solution: 'security' premise, which it in itself cannot be experienced, sensed, cannot be empirically proven.

we solve an imaginary problem with an imaginary solution.

good luck to that! hahaha.





cheers!

[chad_tukes]

i admit to not know everything. at least i'm not so quick to assume that GOD created something from nothing. do you see how it's wrong in so many ways?
--- yes you are wrong again... do you know the meaning of god? if he is limited its called (small)gods. Sorry chad i am refering to the omni... the creator of heaven and earth... One thing he cannot do now is for you to believe him, because he entrusted you that obligation to fulfill it not him doing it for you.
Sorry chad, you are free to believe what you want to, but i am also entitled to believe you are WRONG.

oh... so God isn't omnipotent afterall, coz if he was, then why are there things he cannot do? he created a wonderful place called the universe, put consciousness in all of humankind, then all of a sudden leave it and he's nowhere to be found? wow, what a loving God. you are obliged to believe i am WRONG, i could care less, but that doesn't mean you are RIGHT, does it?

--- its called freewill brad. But that does not deny the fact that HE allowed it as what you have mentioned. They blame god because there is no other they could ask for mercy.
--- for me brad its good thing they turn to God in the first place either complaining or whatever. God can handle the Universe, men? hmmm no contest... Its one way God tells his people he is watching over things to happen and will happen. Maybe you are the only one not seeing this chad... Using people except you... must be your some kind of special... I hope its not a feeling to be special because it implies another thing...

Let them ask the Lord, and let the Lord answers them.

Ok ba chad? I am taking advantage of your very difficult situations chad... thanks to Him...

to say that i'm the only one not seeing all of God "intelligence" is stupid. i'm not the only atheist here, FYI. so that doesn't make me any special. maybe you're the one who's special for seeing me as a special person. hehehehe...

--- its better to leave it unknown, than to settle for a LIES-AFTER-LIES. In many ways Evolution is a backward progress. dba? hmmmm, i hope you see this.

Evolution is FACT. how many threads do people need to create for you to realize that? lol. creationists are too blind to accept the fact. your faith is keeping you from opening your mind. you have a blurred vision of the world around you because all you see is your GOD----oh wait, that's right, you can't see him.

Jesus calm the raging sea.
--- even then as what you have primarily asked him to do... not all men believe. Not even you.

funny chad? by the way this is just one of the many wonders he demonstrated...

come on... don't be so naive. you really believe Jesus did some miracles... such as making the dead come back to life? walking on water? calming the raging sea?

EVIDENCE OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.