Why Humans Believe in God

[chad_tukes]

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Its a choice between believing in pure chance or Believing in God.

Some mock religion because that is their religion. But the basis of their belief or so called non-religious religion is based on pure ridiculous basis. (Which is chance or no basis at all)

Also we need to consider that religion is also a very powerful tool to achieve ones own ambition of power. So not all religion is true as well.

That is just the plain fact. Also I'm considering that Mocking is not a fact or a basis.

could you elaborate on what chance you're talking about? if chance (origin of life), there's really no basis to believe in chance, because chance is an illogical thought. if we believe that everything came from chance, it would then create a bigger problem, which is that God also probably was created by chance.

[rodsky]

By the way Rod i think its payback time... in your forum, some people cannot just talk about anything because its on martial law. Ur the boss, now these people are enjoying the opportunity to mock you. Not really mock you, but talk about how you behave as a moderator.

I think you boot blue in the Science Forum... hmmm. by the way Rod, blue has a passion in science, you are just stoping his potential... i can see it in him...

/boot
/ouch
/slap
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OT: I don't think he was booted in the Science section. In fact I just saw a recent post of his there.

Like chad_tukes, perhaps some people here also think that whenever I say something negative about religion, that I'm "promoting" atheism. That's akin to saying that I must be an apple lover, because I hate oranges.

-RODION

[chad_tukes]

well you can also promote your believe, right. So dont deny if i am suspecting you are indeed promoting... BECAUSE YOU CAN? right? hmmm.. i wonder.

What we have here is ACTION, and RIGHT INTENTION that points you are indeed doing so. Well? comprehension? i dont think so.

yes indeed, i can promote my beliefs but i choose not to, because that wasn't my intention in the first place. defensive naman gani ka nga dili na mao akong intention, samot na kaha if i'm actively recruiting... mag nuclear war siguro.

[kebotDiNaMute]

yes indeed, i can promote my beliefs but i choose not to, because that wasn't my intention in the first place. defensive naman gani ka nga dili na mao akong intention, samot na kaha if i'm actively recruiting... mag nuclear war siguro.

style and technique comes in a variety of forms... later on we will notice whats real and whats fake. Good thing u said it... so at least you wont do it... or would you? hmmm. Im just reading brad sa mga posts diri... if i suspect then that does not mean ur guilty... dont worry i wont arrest you... hehehe! just want to tell people to look after you.

ok.

defensive naman gani ka nga dili na mao akong intention
--- defense is the primary and safe way to do, of the so called anticipation.

[bluedes]

i beg to differ.. a society with no rules would sooner or later crumble to its own anarchy..
--- i beg to differ on this one blue, its not about laws/rules... its about obedience...

hehe.. i'd still rather not be indifferent kebz..
--- i dont know whats ur point blue... you talk a lot about rules/laws but indifferent has nothing to do with those. hmmm. I cant connect.

kebz, how can you have obedience without rules? its about laws/rules in the end..

By the way Rod i think its payback time... in your forum, some people cannot just talk about anything because its on martial law. Ur the boss, now these people are enjoying the opportunity to mock you. Not really mock you, but talk about how you behave as a moderator.

I think you boot blue in the Science Forum... hmmm. by the way Rod, blue has a passion in science, you are just stoping his potential... i can see it in him...

/boot
/ouch
/slap
....

FYI, he did not boot me out of Science thread.. I just decided not to post less frequently..

know the history kebz.. I know my limits.. why I'm still here? hmm.. lemme see.. coz I chose to.. I know the rules, and are well aware of them.. and FYI, I have tried my best not to violate any rules here.. I'm a law abiding citizen.. god, i love that movie..

but I don't *kiss-a$$* either..

you forgot about the Darwinian Natural Selection. i guess you'd agree that we all came from the simplest chemical life form and sprouted out to become complex beings (unless you're a Creationist, in this sense, you'd believe that a designer made us complex from the very beginning). if evolution is improbable, wouldn't that make the "starter of life" at the highest degree of improbability? since you are unsure of the origin (and of course, we all are), it is suffice it to say that natural selection is the more acceptable theory than the illusion of design.

i agree with your points---true/absolute atheism does not exist---except your last line. i do not believe in a higher being. if you talk about higher being as to other existing life in the universe, yes, there may be life out there---probably in a higher state of consciousness that ours. but as i've said, i'm referring to the Judeo-Christian God in all these postings.

it's funny that you bring that up.. Darwin's Natural Selection in that respect has no proof whatsoever.. although phylogenetics will show that calculations on trees of genetic data represent a sort of *lineage*, that is still hypothetical. but I'm not against it.. I'm not totally for it either because the situation is still hypothetical.. maybe over time some *real* physical event will show it.

on a minute scale, scientists have discovered that species acquire Transposable Elements (TEs) (aside from other types of mutations) over time to help the *evolution* and *acquiring of genes* part, but as to how the number of chromosomes increase in number, that is nowhere in the literature yet.

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higher beings in this case, again, is not the god of the religions.. I thought Nietzsche already said that *God* is dead..

you didn't get it. i wasn't talking about a designer with human attributes.

i was merely pointing out that a designer (GOD and human engineer) would have some sort of a resemblance in such a way that they both result in a "design" or "product".

God of the Gaps argument. what is unknown in the universe that cannot be explained physically is automatically credited to God.

I understand precisely you're coming from.. you talk of God in human terms, the way your mind fashion its.. on that, I would agree with you relatively speaking..

but the God I have been talking about is just not that.. its not God of the Gaps, that kind of argument is left undiscovered and better left undiscovered.. the God I am talking about is the Infinite essence.. that mere mortals can only talk of. as the proverbial blind men and the elephant would describe.. only they are also describing themselves altogether.

this God that I have been talking about also is in part experienced thru the *human* heart.. char.. hehe

[dakoglamoy]

pagbinisaya intawn mo mga migoy arun sab makasabot ming mga bisdak sa thread.... remember this is istorya.net not talk.net.....


peace!!!kalinaw!!!

[kebotDiNaMute]

kebz, how can you have obedience without rules? its about laws/rules in the end..



FYI, he did not boot me out of Science thread.. I just decided not to post less frequently..

know the history kebz.. I know my limits.. why I'm still here? hmm.. lemme see.. coz I chose to.. I know the rules, and are well aware of them.. and FYI, I have tried my best not to violate any rules here.. I'm a law abiding citizen.. god, i love that movie..

but I don't *kiss-a$$* either..





it's funny that you bring that up.. Darwin's Natural Selection in that respect has no proof whatsoever.. although phylogenetics will show that calculations on trees of genetic data represent a sort of *lineage*, that is still hypothetical. but I'm not against it.. I'm not totally for it either because the situation is still hypothetical.. maybe over time some *real* physical event will show it.

on a minute scale, scientists have discovered that species acquire Transposable Elements (TEs) (aside from other types of mutations) over time to help the *evolution* and *acquiring of genes* part, but as to how the number of chromosomes increase in number, that is nowhere in the literature yet.

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higher beings in this case, again, is not the god of the religions.. I thought Nietzsche already said that *God* is dead..





I understand precisely you're coming from.. you talk of God in human terms, the way your mind fashion its.. on that, I would agree with you relatively speaking..

but the God I have been talking about is just not that.. its not God of the Gaps, that kind of argument is left undiscovered and better left undiscovered.. the God I am talking about is the Infinite essence.. that mere mortals can only talk of. as the proverbial blind men and the elephant would describe.. only they are also describing themselves altogether.

this God that I have been talking about also is in part experienced thru the *human* heart.. char.. hehe

kebz, how can you have obedience without rules?
--- hehehe, you mis understood bro. one rule, just obey that rule. not rules after rules after rules, until it becomes complicated.

I have tried my best not to violate any rules here.. I'm a law abiding citizen..
--- keep that up, i know we are all strugling here for the rules... we just got to abide it without condition. if we can't then its the mods who will it for us...

[kebotDiNaMute]

pagbinisaya intawn mo mga migoy arun sab makasabot ming mga bisdak sa thread.... remember this is istorya.net not talk.net.....


peace!!!kalinaw!!!

amf! hahaha!

sorry bro d naman gud mi mga pilipino diri... mga citizen of the universe naman gud mga tawo dri.. haha!

[bluedes]

Are you implying that the owners of iStorya.net made rules that basically say "Hey, no matter who they are, you have to respect the mods because they are mods", and you believe this is the wrong approach BY the owners? Again, if you feel that way, take it up with the owners and not with me.

oh, did i say owners? I recall I never mentioned that.. you're expanding the topic again unnecessarily..

i have no qualms with the owners here.. and if you're a mod, so be it.. but puhleeaze, don't use that as a means to win an argument..

Point A: If this forum were a true democracy, then you should look up the meaning of democracy. In a democracy, your "freedoms" are delimited by the freedoms of other individuals.

Point B: This message board is privately owned by a group of individuals. It is NOT public property. Hence, all privately owned messageboards are in fact, essentially non-democratic, because the owners of the board ultimately choose and decide what can be in the board and what can't be in the board. THUS THE existence of the RULES and REGULATIONS specific to THIS board. Should you react with "Oh I get it, there is no democracy in iStorya after all! I should then find a TRULY democratic forum then!", then by all means, do.

Point C: Going back to rules and regulations, and your question of whether I'm threatening you. This is not a threat, but a reminder that such rules do exist, and may I remind you that the reminder is STILL in effect.

honestly (and don't take this the wrong way)--*blah* *blah* *blah*.. if I were asking for a lecture on democracy, I would ask you for it..

lets get this straight.. I respect you're position as a mod, but as a person, you don't respond nicely to posts that criticize your posts.. sorry na lng rod.. but you tend to misconstrue a critique on your posts as an attack of your status as a mod.. i'm not here to challenge your status.. i'm not here to challenge your persona at all.. i'm just here to share my critique on anybody's posts.. if you can't handle that, then let me know.. i'll make an exception and refrain from critiquing your posts.

If this statement were true, why bother with RULE #1? So again, are you stating the owners of the board made a mistake in creating Rule #1 and thus they have to remove Rule #1? Again, express your qualms to the proper channel, not in this thread.

Again, to get back on topic...

People believe in the divine because they require a father/mother figure in their lives. They feel lost without guidance from someone/something "greater" than themselves. This is especially true if they think lowly of themselves.

-RODION

ohhhh, so wait, are you *implying* that you're an owner of iStorya.net? gee.. if that's the case, sorry you felt that I nicked your precious ego/pride..

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people believe in the divine not because they require a father/mother figure in their lives.. this is a very limited way of saying it.. it makes an unfair generalization.. for people like you who have life easy, you think you don't need anybody.. after all, you have every material thing you asked for.. and the leisure, too.. but i'd like to hear you say that to people who struggle in life by themselves, working everyday to feed their mouths and the mouths who depend on them.. finding ways to move on when there's really *nothing* left to look forward to especially when faced with a trauma and such..

they don't need a father/mother figure, but how they wish it were so.. believing in the divine is a means of keeping hope alive.. keeping the faith in a world that requires you to work and struggle for your survival..

such are the traits of people who *think* they don't need guidance from someone/something "greater" than themselves.. its the complete opposite of thinking lowly for themselves, they think too highly of themselves..

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why am i still here.. hehe.. i wonder..
maybe i need a break from all this posting.. like trip.. i need to focus more on my priorities..

[rodsky]

ohhhh, so wait, are you *implying* that you're an owner of iStorya.net? gee.. if that's the case, sorry you felt that I nicked your precious ego/pride..

Please explain to me how come that statement ever implied that I'm an owner of iStorya.net. Furthermore, why didn't you just answer the question I posed?

Please stop insulting me.

this is a very limited way of saying it.. it makes an unfair generalization..for people like you who have life easy, you think you don't need anybody.. after all, you have every material thing you asked for.. and the leisure, too.. but i'd like to hear you say that to people who struggle in life by themselves, working everyday to feed their mouths and the mouths who depend on them.. finding ways to move on when there's really *nothing* left to look forward to especially when faced with a trauma and such..

I wonder if you say this with absolute conviction, and saying it to truly inform people, or is it just another way to make it appear that anything I say in this thread is incorrect and you have the right to correct me because you are infallible and I constantly make false statements? Furthermore, alam mo ba talaga anong pinag-daanan ko sa buhay? Bakit parang sure na sure ka, ang galing eh, almost as if magkapitbahay tayo noong bata pa ako, and you are totally sure of who I am, especially when you say "after all, you have every material thing you asked for". Galing naman.

Let it be known that each time I express a statement such as:

"People believe in the divine not because they require a father/mother figure in their lives"

...that I'm sharing an opinion, and this opinion of mine doesn't necessarily have to be something that needs to be believed in, or needs to be followed.

So allow me to make another statement that goes in line with the thread topic:

People believe in the divine because they feel their lives are more "structured", has direction, and therefore "safer" in their eyes (i.e. it's a lot safer to walk forward, because you can see where you are going, than walk backward, because you cannot see where you are going).

-RODION