Why Humans Believe in God

[bluedes]

Brandish and wave? Seriously, ask the iStoryan mods. Really, I'm serious, ask them...and let them read how this conversation has transpired. Anyone of them, would have banned you by now, based on rules alone And yet you say I "brandish and wave" my mod status. You're still here aren't you?

-RODION

reverse the situation and you can see..
how would you like that we're in an argument about the posts and I begin telling you to respect me coz I'm a mod?? hmmm??

is that some kind of threat? that I've no freedom of speech regarding your posts for fear that I might disrespect your status as a mod?

your posts are your posts, it has nothing to do with being a mod.. I commented on your posts, not on your being a mod, and yet you bring out that "respect the mods" issue..

that's pretty insecure..

[chad_tukes]

we can think of light, so does that mean we created light?

there is a natural human intention to attribute the physical design to the designer himself. for instance, a man-made forest was probably designed by a good engineer. it is tempting to apply that same logic to humans/universe.

[bluedes]

the problem is that a lot of people have a hard time accepting the process of evolution, and some may argue that there HAS to be a designer and a "cause" to everything. the anthropic argument states that of the billions of planets in the universe, there is a minority of planets capable of producing life---and EARTH has got to be one of the minority.

its not about the fusion of evolution with creationism..

evolution has its place in the process of life.. but from where it originated, evolution does not answer that at all..

whether its by design or by accident, nobody can really tell, not even the world's most leading biologists in the world can prove any basis for that..

evolution does not answer questions whether it was by design or by accident.. it only states how organisms evolved.. random mutations, genetic drift, response to environmental conditions, etc. bottom-line is, the origin of life is still a vague branch of science.. there are theories, but not yet accepted by the scientific community.. you can go ask any professor, and you'd be surprised that they answer "we don't know yet".. i respect that answer more than anything else.. inasmuch as they know so much, there is still so much more they really dont know.. and i know even less.. makes me feel really small in this universe..

i'm just sharing here what i am totally sure of.. otherwise, i would not talk about it with such confidence or sureness..

as to God.. the very fact that you are not on the top of the food-chain for example would lead you to believe that there must be someone higher than you in existence.. its implicit..

could you honestly claim that you came from nothing? you'd be elevated to the status of the progenitor, the starter of life, which means you started your own existence.. that is clearly not the case..

that's a very simple answer to why any living thing believes in God..

therefore, true/absolute atheism does not exist. if it did, it would cease to exist immediately by nature that it cannot sustain its own existence, unless it was God...

you may not believe in the gods of the world religions but in some form or another, you believe in a higher being.. its inescapable.. by nature that you are alive and in an ecosystem..

[bluedes]

there is a natural human intention to attribute the physical design to the designer himself. for instance, a man-made forest was probably designed by a good engineer. it is tempting to apply that same logic to humans/universe.

i'm not talking of any *designer* with human attributes here..
even the word *designer* would be a limitation if used..

its just this:

everything exists..
it either came from something, or it came from nothing..
either way, that something, or nothing, is God..
and if it did, that nothing is God..

hehe.. i have no other way of rephrasing that.. hehe..

whatever design, whether there was none or there was one, i would not know.. i do not have the mind of God..

[chad_tukes]

i'm not talking of any *designer* with human attributes here..

you didn't get it. i wasn't talking about a designer with human attributes.

even the word *designer* would be a limitation if used.

i was merely pointing out that a designer (GOD and human engineer) would have some sort of a resemblance in such a way that they both result in a "design" or "product".

everything exists..
it either came from something, or it came from nothing..
either way, that something, or nothing, is God..
and if it did, that nothing is God..

God of the Gaps argument. what is unknown in the universe that cannot be explained physically is automatically credited to God.

[chad_tukes]

its not about the fusion of evolution with creationism..

evolution has its place in the process of life.. but from where it originated, evolution does not answer that at all..

whether its by design or by accident, nobody can really tell, not even the world's most leading biologists in the world can prove any basis for that..

evolution does not answer questions whether it was by design or by accident.. it only states how organisms evolved.. random mutations, genetic drift, response to environmental conditions, etc. bottom-line is, the origin of life is still a vague branch of science.. there are theories, but not yet accepted by the scientific community.. you can go ask any professor, and you'd be surprised that they answer "we don't know yet".. i respect that answer more than anything else.. inasmuch as they know so much, there is still so much more they really dont know.. and i know even less.. makes me feel really small in this universe..

i'm just sharing here what i am totally sure of.. otherwise, i would not talk about it with such confidence or sureness..

as to God.. the very fact that you are not on the top of the food-chain for example would lead you to believe that there must be someone higher than you in existence.. its implicit..

could you honestly claim that you came from nothing? you'd be elevated to the status of the progenitor, the starter of life, which means you started your own existence.. that is clearly not the case..

that's a very simple answer to why any living thing believes in God..

therefore, true/absolute atheism does not exist. if it did, it would cease to exist immediately by nature that it cannot sustain its own existence, unless it was God...

you may not believe in the gods of the world religions but in some form or another, you believe in a higher being.. its inescapable.. by nature that you are alive and in an ecosystem..

you forgot about the Darwinian Natural Selection. i guess you'd agree that we all came from the simplest chemical life form and sprouted out to become complex beings (unless you're a Creationist, in this sense, you'd believe that a designer made us complex from the very beginning). if evolution is improbable, wouldn't that make the "starter of life" at the highest degree of improbability? since you are unsure of the origin (and of course, we all are), it is suffice it to say that natural selection is the more acceptable theory than the illusion of design.

i agree with your points---true/absolute atheism does not exist---except your last line. i do not believe in a higher being. if you talk about higher being as to other existing life in the universe, yes, there may be life out there---probably in a higher state of consciousness that ours. but as i've said, i'm referring to the Judeo-Christian God in all these postings.

[rodsky]

reverse the situation and you can see..
how would you like that we're in an argument about the posts and I begin telling you to respect me coz I'm a mod?? hmmm??

Are you implying that the owners of iStorya.net made rules that basically say "Hey, no matter who they are, you have to respect the mods because they are mods", and you believe this is the wrong approach BY the owners? Again, if you feel that way, take it up with the owners and not with me.

is that some kind of threat? that I've no freedom of speech regarding your posts for fear that I might disrespect your status as a mod?

Point A: If this forum were a true democracy, then you should look up the meaning of democracy. In a democracy, your "freedoms" are delimited by the freedoms of other individuals.

Point B: This message board is privately owned by a group of individuals. It is NOT public property. Hence, all privately owned messageboards are in fact, essentially non-democratic, because the owners of the board ultimately choose and decide what can be in the board and what can't be in the board. THUS THE existence of the RULES and REGULATIONS specific to THIS board. Should you react with "Oh I get it, there is no democracy in iStorya after all! I should then find a TRULY democratic forum then!", then by all means, do.

Point C: Going back to rules and regulations, and your question of whether I'm threatening you. This is not a threat, but a reminder that such rules do exist, and may I remind you that the reminder is STILL in effect.

your posts are your posts, it has nothing to do with being a mod.. I commented on your posts, not on your being a mod, and yet you bring out that "respect the mods" issue..
that's pretty insecure..

If this statement were true, why bother with RULE #1? So again, are you stating the owners of the board made a mistake in creating Rule #1 and thus they have to remove Rule #1? Again, express your qualms to the proper channel, not in this thread.

Again, to get back on topic...

People believe in the divine because they require a father/mother figure in their lives. They feel lost without guidance from someone/something "greater" than themselves. This is especially true if they think lowly of themselves.

-RODION

[kebotDiNaMute]

I never claimed I was bright LOL Anyone here can attest to that. I often make mistakes and I usually express that here outrightly and that I usually say "I stand corrected" whenever I do.

And yes, this time around I did make a mistake and I stand corrected, in interpreting that bit of message the wrong way.

BTW you haven't commented on my comment about your "Nobody cares, I dont either..." comment.

*sings* Where is the love, the love, the love?

-RODION

Bro that is why, if we cannot be friends, we can be strangers... right? you dont care and i dont care... thats the least i can do...

but if you think we can then why not? point brad is this, if we believe so be it. But dont tell us that we are wasting our time and effort because we are not... ok!

[kebotDiNaMute]

hehe.. i'd still rather not be indifferent kebz..






i beg to differ.. a society with no rules would sooner or later crumble to its own anarchy.. that is the nature of the mind.. but if a preconceived/imagined deity were present among these minds, it would command order and harmony to a certain degree..

without these rules coming from *divinity*, there is utter chaos. but there's still beauty in chaos, so who am I to complain.. it's just one larger group of species wiping out another..

however, in an explicit analogy, its just one larger group of religious organization wiping out another.. but at least within that organization, there is some substantial form of peace within..

compare that to a flock with no rules whatsoever, and you'd have beta males hunting down the alpha male anytime and reducing the species to its own extinction..

i beg to differ.. a society with no rules would sooner or later crumble to its own anarchy..
--- i beg to differ on this one blue, its not about laws/rules... its about obedience...

hehe.. i'd still rather not be indifferent kebz..
--- i dont know whats ur point blue... you talk a lot about rules/laws but indifferent has nothing to do with those. hmmm. I cant connect.

[kebotDiNaMute]

Did I say anything to the contrary? "You really don't get it do you?" Another one of your smart-a&& phrases to make me appear like "See my fellow iStoryans? This guy thinks he knows everything but, ehem, you all know I'm the one who's correct, right?". Laos na yang istayl mo pre. Akala mo ayos na pero hindi.

You are the one putting words in my mouth. Please look up the term nihilistic and honestly see if it really fits me. Sige kag gamit ug words to describe someone yet dili ka sure if accurate ba ang description sa imong gi-describe.

Nihilism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ang problema kasi sa iyo, you automatically generalize someone's beliefs/behaviour based on a few, short remarks in this thread without even checking out that person's other activities in these boards. If I were a true nihilist, why should I bother to even encourage people to get interested in things like astronomy etc? Why should I even volunteer my own time and effort, without any evident reward, to share my fascination for all things celestial? Why do I spend time trying to improve my physique by exercise and playing airsoft if I, as nihilists are described, "in despair and have despotic demeanor?" Simple. You are fond of putting people in little boxes and labelling those boxes in this manner "Ok, person A is this so he belongs in Box A, and person B is that so he belongs in Box B. I don't like person A because he belongs to THAT class of people whose ideas I dislike". Myopic, IMHO.

-RODION

On this one rod, yea we share the same sympathy.... I agree with you... some people just want you to say things so they can take advantage of it... eventually they will tell it for you... gud thing you notice on this forum...