The Second Coming of Christ... The Resurrection of Christ Within You

[Malic]

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Kasabot kos pangutana bro ... kato first reply nimo sa ako post ( Revelation ) kato nga time is During rapture ... i answer your Question regarding soldiers that pierced nga makakita gihapon to sila kay ang mga namatay during sa Rapture mabanhaw ....

Karon ang Second Coming of Christ it will happen after the Tribulation .... Tribulation will happen after the Rapture ....

Matthew 24:21 (21st Century King James Version)
21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Tribulation is a Seven Year in Length ( Daniel 9:24-27)



Mao ni ingon sa mga Scholar and this will happen after the Tribulation ..... Christ will rule on Earth for 1000 Years ( Revelation 20:1-6 ) with the 144,000 from Tribes of Israel ( ingon ang uban scholar this 144T is infant kay wala pani sla ka experience of Christ )

ayaw sa og abot sa Millennial reign ni Jesus kay layo na kaayo na.

its funny kay Christians have different views in eschatology. naay pre-tribulation naay post trib and etc.

going back to our discussion.


I think you are not well informed sa imong doktrina amingb or maybe naghunahuna ka nga dili nako ni masakpan kay dili ko christian? hehe.

Your idea that the Soldiers who pierced Jesus will witness his appearance during the rapture won't happen. The Soldiers were unbelievers. Sa panahon sa rapture there will be no resurrection of the ungodly. Jesus will only resurrect the old testament saints and believers and His church. The resurrection of the ungodly will take place during the great white throne judgment.

here is my back up...John F. MacArthur says...Did you know also that the ungodly will be resurrected and given some kind of a body in which to be tormented? Yes, Revelation, chapter 20, says that there will be a resurrection of the ungodly to the Great White Throne judgment. In John 5, Jesus said, there will be a resurrection of damnation and a resurrection of life--two parts.

The first resurrection was the resurrection of Jesus Christ; the resurrection of the Church saints at the Rapture; and the resurrection of the Old Testament saints at the Second Coming--those three form the first resurrection. The second resurrection is the resurrection of all the ungodly at the Great White Throne and it happens at one time.

So resurrection is for the physical body--the glorified body to be joined with the spirit that is already with the Lord.

so dili gihapon ma reconcile amingb...going back sa atong first discussion, nag contradict gihapon. in other words, those verses are still open for different interpretations.

[Pein]

There will be some Bible verses that will be presented here. As you can see, there had been many interpretations of the Bible using human interpretations and using religious concept. But what I'm trying to present here, as claim by the Paramahansa Yogananda, is the real message of those verses as what Jesus relayed on him on his meditation with him having also Christ Consciousness.

The Second Coming of Jesus will not be the reappearance in flesh but to have to have Christ Consciousness. As you can see, many generations have waited for His coming, but, nangamatay na lng sila, and more generation pa would come to wait for His Second Coming, but then, people in India and Tibet, who meditated and attained Christ Consciousness, have personally experienced Him, and that would Second Coming of Jesus in them.

I present that here, so that people will have a choice and if He would really come back and in what way.

so nahuman na diay ang Second Coming ni Jesus Christ?

[NapoleonBlownapart]

I think that the verses in the bible have esoteric and exoteric meaning. We often see Jesus speaks in parable when he is speaking to the public and explained the hidden meaning to his inner circle the 12, and within that twelve there was again a different inner circle (john,peter,james).


let us investigate the above verses. I see a contraction. The former says, that Jesus will come in the same manner as he was ascended to heaven. The latter says, that he will come down with the clouds and EVERY eye will see him, even THOSE who PIERCED him.

question...were the soldiers who pierced Jesus able to see his ascension? NO. Then why would Revelation say "those who pierced him will be able to see him? how can Jesus come in the same manner if this part is missing. kindly clarify. Those soldiers are already dead. No chance for them to witness the alleged second coming of Jesus.

so i think this contradiction suggests that verses can be interpreted in different ways. The TS approach is esoteric in nature.

it doesn't follow.. Jesus will come back in the same manner as he was ascended, wether the same people, who saw him ascend, will also see him descend is irrelevant. It's like going to the 10th floor from the ground and back using the elavator.. wether you have a companion in the elevator or you're alone is irrelevant. As long as you use the elevator and not the stairs you can say that you went down in the same manner as you went up.

Another thing Malic when Jesus will come back he will come as a judge so those who are dead will be resurrected to be judged. So those who pierced him will be resurrected thus they will see the person that they pierced coming with clouds

[Malic]

it doesn't follow.. Jesus will come back in the same manner as he was ascended, wether the same people, who saw him ascend, will also see him descend is irrelevant. It's like going to the 10th floor from the ground and back using the elavator.. wether you have a companion in the elevator or you're alone is irrelevant. As long as you use the elevator and not the stairs you can say that you went down in the same manner as you went up.

its a prophetic verse. Everything must come into play. Blamed it to your Scholars for carving a strict rule in treating prophecies.

Jesus as a judge? and how is this related to our discussion?

[NapoleonBlownapart]

Yes everything will come into play.. those who pierced him will be resurrected and Jesus will come with clouds and they will see him just as the prophecy tells us.

[Malic]

Yes everything will come into play.. those who pierced him will be resurrected and Jesus will come with clouds and they will see him just as the prophecy tells us.

it won't happen. I thought you said it's irrelevant.

read our discussion between me and amingb.

[Pein]

I think that the verses in the bible have esoteric and exoteric meaning. We often see Jesus speaks in parable when he is speaking to the public and explained the hidden meaning to his inner circle the 12, and within that twelve there was again a different inner circle (john,peter,james).

let us investigate the above verses. I see a contraction. The former says, that Jesus will come in the same manner as he was ascended to heaven. The latter says, that he will come down with the clouds and EVERY eye will see him, even THOSE who PIERCED him.

question...were the soldiers who pierced Jesus able to see his ascension? NO. Then why would Revelation say "those who pierced him will be able to see him? how can Jesus come in the same manner if this part is missing. kindly clarify. Those soldiers are already dead. No chance for them to witness the alleged second coming of Jesus.

so i think this contradiction suggests that verses can be interpreted in different ways. The TS approach is esoteric in nature.

wala may contradiction ana nga verse kay hangtod karon naa paman gihapoy mga tawo nga naglansang ni Cristo.

Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

asa man ang contradiction ana?

[NapoleonBlownapart]

it won't happen. I thought you said it's irrelevant.

read our discussion between me and amingb.

Yes it's irrelevant to how Jesus will come back.. they're not part of the "how". Just like my analogy wether you have a companion in the elevator or not as long as you use the elevator you can say that you came back in the same manner as you went up

[Malic]

Yes everything will come into play.. those who pierced him will be resurrected and Jesus will come with clouds and they will see him just as the prophecy tells us.

Yes it's irrelevant to how Jesus will come back.. they're not part of the "how". Just like my analogy wether you have a companion in the elevator or not as long as you use the elevator you can say that you came back in the same manner as you went up

pls. reconcile these statements.

[NapoleonBlownapart]

pls. reconcile these statements.

point is people will "see" Jesus descend from heaven just as the apostles "saw" him ascend. The question if those who saw him ascend will also be the people who will see him descend is irrelevant as far as the "manner" of his ascension and return is concerned.