Why Humans Believe in God

[rodsky]

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Some people tend to dislike, despise or even fear the concept of something being "meaningless". I for one see it as merely me having the ability of choice or having "more options".

Take this scenario for instance. A religious man preaches to another man that if he does anything evil, he will sin and go to hell when he dies. So he preaches that the "meaning of life" is to do good and avoid evil. Now if the man listening to the religious man, develops a fear of this concept of "hell after death", then his options in life are now fewer than the options he had before the religious man told him about this. From my vantage point, his freedom has been curtailed--his freedom is now less, in a sense, and this narrowing down of his choices in life was done by just another man who merely had ideas in his head. To further worsen the situation, this man now has the potential to stop thinking (and rationalize) for himself anymore, and just rely on the "rules" that this doctrine (i.e. of doing good and avoiding evil) entails. The danger now is, if this religious man keeps doing this, not only to one individual, but thousands or millions of people, he now has the power to shape the destiny of an entire society, through "rules" he has created. But it would be a mistake to assume that his "way" or method is "right" or "moral" or "good"...for he is but only another man with ideas in his head.

-RODION

[kebotDiNaMute]

why would God need you? God does not need your worship even.. does God depend on you for existence?

that's why people around the world quarrel about religion on who's god is better.. bickering.. when all they do is actually just creating this god in their minds.. which is not God at all.. but an idol..

why would God need you? God does not need your worship even..
--- nope theres a logic error here brad. He dont need me, but he wants me to worship him. Thats the difference. Why me have to worship? As i sign that i do belong in his flock and he is my shepherd.

does God depend on you for existence?
--- nope! what do you call a shepherd without sheep? How do you call a king without kingdom, how do you call a God without believers. Some logical error you have there blue... correct it.

that's why people around the world quarrel about religion on who's god is better
--- actually people quarrel because people insist... so? is the problem lies about God? hmm i dont think so.

[kebotDiNaMute]

Some people tend to dislike, despise or even fear the concept of something being "meaningless". I for one see it as merely me having the ability of choice or having "more options".

Take this scenario for instance. A religious man preaches to another man that if he does anything evil, he will sin and go to hell when he dies. So he preaches that the "meaning of life" is to do good and avoid evil. Now if the man listening to the religious man, develops a fear of this concept of "hell after death", then his options in life are now fewer than the options he had before the religious man told him about this. From my vantage point, his freedom has been curtailed--his freedom is now less, in a sense, and this narrowing down of his choices in life was done by just another man who merely had ideas in his head. To further worsen the situation, this man now has the potential to stop thinking (and rationalize) for himself anymore, and just rely on the "rules" that this doctrine (i.e. of doing good and avoiding evil) entails. The danger now is, if this religious man keeps doing this, not only to one individual, but thousands or millions of people, he now has the power to shape the destiny of an entire society, through "rules" he has created. But it would be a mistake to assume that his "way" or method is "right" or "moral" or "good"...for he is but only another man with ideas in his head.

-RODION

Take this scenario for instance. A religious man preaches to another man that if he does anything evil, he will sin and go to hell when he dies. So he preaches that the "meaning of life" is to do good and avoid evil. Now if the man listening to the religious man, develops a fear of this concept of "hell after death", then his options in life are now fewer than the options he had before the religious man told him about this

is to do good and avoid evil
--- so if one person dont believe it and killed your loved ones... are you happy? well he take his options the way you want it...

To further worsen the situation, this man now has the potential to stop thinking (and rationalize) for himself anymore, and just rely on the "rules" that this doctrine (i.e. of doing good and avoiding evil) entails
--- So what is wrong with doing GOOD? are you loosing your mind? omg,

I hope you can define Evil Acts. I suggest you watch crime night! you will understand why becoming evil bears no advantage and happines to others.

he danger now is, if this religious man keeps doing this, not only to one individual, but thousands or millions of people, he now has the power to shape the destiny of an entire society, through "rules" he has created
--- somalia is lawless for over a decade... so are they getting better? hmmm.

But it would be a mistake to assume that his "way" or method is "right" or "moral" or "good"...for he is but only another man with ideas in his head
--- without determining the RIGHT and Wrong, where is he heading? hahaha, meaningless...

Rod what you have said is moving away from good and telling people EVIL IS AN OPTION.

"This is MADNESS" -300

[bluedes]

Some people tend to dislike, despise or even fear the concept of something being "meaningless". I for one see it as merely me having the ability of choice or having "more options".

Take this scenario for instance. A religious man preaches to another man that if he does anything evil, he will sin and go to hell when he dies. So he preaches that the "meaning of life" is to do good and avoid evil. Now if the man listening to the religious man, develops a fear of this concept of "hell after death", then his options in life are now fewer than the options he had before the religious man told him about this. From my vantage point, his freedom has been curtailed--his freedom is now less, in a sense, and this narrowing down of his choices in life was done by just another man who merely had ideas in his head. To further worsen the situation, this man now has the potential to stop thinking (and rationalize) for himself anymore, and just rely on the "rules" that this doctrine (i.e. of doing good and avoiding evil) entails. The danger now is, if this religious man keeps doing this, not only to one individual, but thousands or millions of people, he now has the power to shape the destiny of an entire society, through "rules" he has created. But it would be a mistake to assume that his "way" or method is "right" or "moral" or "good"...for he is but only another man with ideas in his head.

-RODION

you talk of curtailing one's freedom by having less options..
you have a choice to kill yourself.. but you wouldn't.. in fact you would even hesitate to kill yourself.. if you truly had a choice to kill yourself, you would not hesitate to do so.. and all living things exhibit this nature of hesitation.. why is that so? because (like i've said a thousand times) life's purpose (or mission--putting it differently) is to live..

this has nothing to do with religion or being uncomfortable with so-called meaninglessness.. i care less for what lack of meaning there is in anyone's personal life in general..

[kebotDiNaMute]

you talk of curtailing one's freedom by having less options..
you have a choice to kill yourself.. but you wouldn't.. in fact you would even hesitate to kill yourself.. if you truly had a choice to kill yourself, you would not hesitate to do so.. and all living things exhibit this nature of hesitation.. why is that so? because (like i've said a thousand times) life's purpose (or mission--putting it differently) is to live..

this has nothing to do with religion or being uncomfortable with so-called meaninglessness.. i care less for what lack of meaning there is in anyone's personal life in general..

Rod dont kill yourself, dont even think about it as an option... please lang...

[bluedes]

why would God need you? God does not need your worship even..
--- nope theres a logic error here brad. He dont need me, but he wants me to worship him. Thats the difference. Why me have to worship? As i sign that i do belong in his flock and he is my shepherd.

does God depend on you for existence?
--- nope! what do you call a shepherd without sheep? How do you call a king without kingdom, how do you call a God without believers. Some logical error you have there blue... correct it.

that's why people around the world quarrel about religion on who's god is better
--- actually people quarrel because people insist... so? is the problem lies about God? hmm i dont think so.

yeah, yeah.. you're still talking about god living in your head..

God is beyond any definition you can muster..

a god who needs believers is not almighty or supreme.. because he is dependent on believers to exist.. therefore not God at all..

here's a little twist for you.. God is a shepherd without having need of being a shepherd.. hehe.. hope that makes sense to you..

or if you want to put it another way, God exists without having need for existence..

anyway, i'm just really not talking about God, but my idea also..

[kebotDiNaMute]

yeah, yeah.. you're still talking about god living in your head..

God is beyond any definition you can muster..

a god who needs believers is not almighty or supreme.. because he is dependent on believers to exist.. therefore not God at all..

here's a little twist for you.. God is a shepherd without having need of being a shepherd.. hehe.. hope that makes sense to you..

or if you want to put it another way, God exists without having need for existence..

anyway, i'm just really not talking about God, but my idea also..

God is a shepherd without having need of being a shepherd.. hehe.. hope that makes sense to you..
--- define shepherd.. hahah! i cannot comprehend brad kay sa binisaya pa: "di na sya shepherd in the first place...." its a joke to call it. If that make sense to you I'm wondering if you are joking or what...

... exists without having need for existence..
--- its closer and closer to see a doctor blue.

[bluedes]

God is a shepherd without having need of being a shepherd.. hehe.. hope that makes sense to you..
--- define shepherd.. hahah! i cannot comprehend brad kay sa binisaya pa: "di na sya shepherd in the first place...." its a joke to call it. If that make sense to you I'm wondering if you are joking or what...

... exists without having need for existence..
--- its closer and closer to see a doctor blue.

if you're happy with your god, so be it..

[kebotDiNaMute]

if you're happy with your god, so be it..

thats great blue. dont see a doctor...


then thats it. lets be indifferent its a win-win situation, you are happy for me i am happy for you.

[rodsky]

...why is that so? Because (like I've said a thousand times) life's purpose (or mission--putting it differently) is to live...

If in the not-too-distant future, a nearby GBR shoots gamma rays in our direction, or an undetected NEO screeches down from the sky...all that will be moot. The rest of the universe will go on with whatever mechanisms it would undergo, based on the laws of physics, totally indifferent to whatever "meaningful" actions we do as minute creatures living on a speck of dust.

-RODION