Christianity and Nazism

[jamesmusslewhite]

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i just cant grasp the idea though entertaining as it is that a) hitler is an "agent" b)loyalist to the fourth Reich/ da new world order and c)da crap that almost leveled britain to submission were instigated by...wait for it...a secret society. and d) hitler lives, post WW2. an entertaining conspiracy theory nonetheless. market this with jerry bruckheimer and this will be bigger than "raiders of the lost ark" and "hellboy" combined.


the nazi may have an occult section/division. but not to this extent. as part of hitler's master plan was reinforcing its ideology as well as their ROOTS. through PRIDE with patriotism, nationalism, and even myth and folklore.

it is also interesting to note, that hitler also included gypsies(astrologers/mystics) part of the purification targets along with them JEWS. what does this imply then? dog eat dog occult style?harhar

munzter666
I am old and may have misunderstood your reply to my earlier post, if I did misunderstand you then I am sorry and apologize. I hope I can openly exchange ideas with you, and have no more misunderstandings.
The fact that you do not yet fully understand New World Order, and the secrete societies (Illuminati, Freemasonry, Protocols of the Elders of Zion, Round Table, Fourth Reich, Odessa, Surveillance industrial complex, and Occultism) That you have a lot of learning to do. Even as an Occultist (the 666 you chose to use on you user name) you have not learned that the world must be controlled for the end times. Or did you read any literature when you decided to follow Satan? So you have not read the Holy Bible or the Satanic Bible? The Antichrist will sit as the head of this One World Order (One World Government).

Nazism encompasses patriotism, nationalism, pagan myth and pagan folklore. You have to research the mythologies and folklore to even grasp what the belifs of the German people was. What did Hitler say in his speeches that made the German people that made then they were the most superior race on earth. That they had the right to send 12 million people to death camps and attack the world? What was in the power of those words that he used, that children would turn on their own parents?
If I want to fully understand what it is to be Pinoy, then I must understand the mythologies and folklore of the Philippines. These shaped the Filipino more the Christianity of Governments. I may never believe in them or understand them, but the Filipino were shaped and Filipino culture molded by these early beliefs. It is the same way. You may say to me I will never understand the Filipino people, and that may be true. But because I do not understand does not mean it does not exist. I can say you will never understand the German culture, which can also be true, but also does not mean it did not exist. Would you tell me to read a book on Filipino culture written by and someone who was not Filipino? Are you reading books about what it is to be a Nazi German also written by someone who is not even German?

Hitler also wanted to develop the Atomic bomb and yet Einstein had to run from Nazi Germany in fear for his life because he was Jewish. You can not understand the logic of illogical fanatical hatred.

Nazism did have a plan for the 4th Reich and SS officers (Odessa) escaped through out the world and continued to spread Nazism throughout the world. It is a strong reemerging force in Europe, USA, Canada, and South America. Many countries have National Nazi parties, KKK, White Supremest, and Skin-Head youth groups

Hitlers body as found by the Russians and his remains were shipped back to the USSR and for years sat an a drawer in the KGB headquarters under orders of Stalin. Hitler took poison but shot himself in the head with his own lugger. Only KGB photos now exist of his skull which clearly show the bullet exit wound out the top of his skull. Poison was considered a coward's death, a self inflected head shot was considered an honorable death. Stalin was determine to let the world think Hitler was a coward.

You really do not yet have a full grasp on just how big every thing really is? You really do not have a fuul grasp to the World out there or the complexities within it. That is why you are so skeptical because you actually know so very little about the subject and are just too proud to admit it. That nothing to be ashamed of, but you will often encounter things that are true that you will not grasp or understand, This does not mean they are not true, just you are unaware of them yet.

I think I understand you a little better now. You really are not a bad guy, or a smart-ass. I was wrong, you are only proud, and skeptical. I can accept that, I was there once myself many years ago. In person I bet you are a nice guy to know. I hope we can be friends and get beyond this misunderstanding, where we can answer each other's questions.

[Ramini]

@james

let me get this straight..you firmly believe that the 3rd reich is more of an occult motivated group rather than just a political one..and hilter was part of some pseudo-occult-spiritual group namely Vril society, Thule society and others?..and he and i mean he personally had a hand or has dabbled directly with the occult is that what you're saying?..and has also worshipped satan and got that spear?...well im not a super expert on the 3rd reich, hilter or his lackeys but i have read stuff about it which is much deeper than you're usual causal reader..and i've read both from the pseudo-occult nazism and the politically motivated 3rd reich..and i must say that although the 3rd reich had an occult division which is the Deutsches Annerhbe headed by himmler and his goose stepping black buddies but i think it never came around to anything serious and to be considered occulistic..and i also believe that hilter never worshipped satan or the devil or has used any occult techniques to compel the german population to side with him..and yes you're right that it all goes back..way back even before WWI..but i do believe that hitler was able to uplift german life through his vendetta against the jews..and through a brilliant man named Hjalmar Schact who was more than an able finance advisor and economist..and also the ever ready and willing german industrialists which some were needed to be romised by hilter with something and some out of sheer patriotism..like Gustav Krupp who blindly supported anyone who's in the seat as president or chancellor of the reich..it was that "joint" effort that hitler was able to uplift german life and realized a full german rearmament and also with the help of Gen. von seeckt who laid the first blocks of rearmament after the demoralizing Versailles Treaty..in my readings i have even come to the conclusion as of why the jews were persecuted heavily..with the noose tightening after WWI..since the time pa ni Martin Luther ang persecution sa jews..and sadly the sins of some arrogant and pompous jews were paid heavily by their other less fortunate brothers who were a majority to the jewish population..so in short ang sala sa mga datu nga jews (which are few) were paid by the jews nga pobre ug samot na dli german jews bsta sa ngalan lang na jews..the jews were partly to blame of their fate although it's not fair that all the other innocent jews were to pay the price but unfortunately that was the situation..it's sad that a few mistakes from a few german jews were to be paid by the whole ethnic group regardless of german origin..and hitler only wanted one thing..to be an artist and not some pseudo-occultist which is also the leader of some occult BS group..the NSDAP already existed way before hilter..he just usurped it from someone..and even himmler faked a ritual of some sort wherein he retraced his steps as his alleged former self (King Heinrich)to find his skeleton..which in the first place was only a planted skeleton..and his poor attempt at connecting the Aryan race as the descendant of the race that once flourished in Atlantis..his group the Deutsches Annerhbe was nothing more than just to satisfy, glorify and sensationalize his delusions of grandeur about his master race..heck it should;ve been Reinhard Heydrich leading the SS so as to rigidly give a physical example of the master race..the nazis never worshipped the devil but only god it may not be a christian god..but definitely a god of some sort.

[jamesmusslewhite]

Ramini
Excellent post and good questions. I am impressed with your knowledge of the structure and individuals involved. I will begin to find all the research material and locate connecting or supporting sources. I just wish I had my libary I had back in the States before I moved here. I only brought Horticultural, Computer, and Construction books. I sold or gave away over 2,000 hard volume books, many I donated to the University of Houston library. at least 350 History books. I wish we could have started this conversation 1 year ago because I possessed the necessary books then. I found the information before and I can find it again. I will start tomorrow. thank you.

One reason the Hatred was strong against the Jew, was many of the common German solderer in the front line trenches of WW1 were starving for food, basic needs items, ammunition, and medical supplies. They felt that the Jewish German population had not provide young men to fight for Germany, and rumors that supplies were in short supply because Jewish merchants and Doctors were hording or selling their supplies to their enemies for bigger profits. There was no prof to substantiate their beliefs, but they never less believed the Jews had betrayed them, helping them to lose the war. This belief of this nasty rumor carried over, and made the Germans to help drive out the traitorous Jews. The Brown shirts which were the strong arm of the early Nazi party comprised mostly of young uneducated thugs. They wanted to punish the Jewish population which had caused them to lose the war which had caused terrible harsh conditions on Germany after the War. Germany was being to pay forced war restorations to the victorious countries after WW1.

[Ramini]

.i believe it's all political with the german political system in shambles and the inability of the Hindenburg Administration to quell political riots and most of all hunger and the massive inflation wherein the price of the food that you're currently eating is rising as fast as the vines growing in your garden...where an egg which its original cost was only like a cent now grew into a huge and seemingly incredible price of 2 billion reichsmarks..altogether the reichsmark reached to super devaluation price of 4 trillion reichsmarks to a dollar..which totally destroyed the german currency.

The jews are like the chinese..they're very exlusive and selective of who they want to help..and to think that they're the ones that are strangers in the land..since the inquisition where many jews residing in spain were forced to convert into christianity but still held on to their beliefs secretly..and all the while hold influencial positions in the government..Prof. Ian Kershaw wrote a riveting book about the jews and how the noose of death began to tighten as the turn of the century came..the jews deserved their fate..it's so sad that the whole jewish population were to pay for the folly of some of their brothers..when the jewish persecution started the native germans spat at the rich german jews NOT because they were made into nazi sympathizers overnight either forcibly or willingly but because they too were felt betrayed and persecuted in their own country..just because they were systematically wiped out doesn't mean that all these people wear halos in their heads..many turned against their own ethinic group..even so..i know it's not right to kill the whole lot of them..but it was war..and age old hatreds that have caused deep wounds aren't gonna heal fast..The political climate of germany after WWI was too tempting for any political group not to take advantage of..and people were looking for someone to blame for their predicament..there were many political groups wrestling each other for supremacy..the german democrats, communists, national socialists and of course the race supremacists..who's has been given the perfect opportunity to do some harm and get away with it..and the best example for that is the Nationalsozialistiche Deutsche Arbeiter Partei a.k.a the National German Worker's Party..or simply NSDAP..which is a political group centering on racial discrimination of the jews and which fanned hitler's own personal hatred of the jews..he immediately usurped the group then decided to take over the government through violent means which ended in vain as the 1923 beer hall putsch was violently dispersed revealing hitler's cowardice..anyway the inability of the Hindenburg marked the launchpad of the NSDAP..the german people desperately needed help in the quicksand that they're in..and they'll take any rope that's offered to them even if the rope has some thorns placed in it..Hilter quickly rose to power clearly by political machinations and backstabbing and not through some occult ritual or sorts..the 2nd obstacle that might've stopped hitler in his tracks was the German military..a group of men that have been trained in the noble arts of warfare in the most rigid Prussian way..an aristocracy and a solid circle that can't be invaded by just any man..and sadly hitler was able to punch through a hole NOT through occult means but by vicious backstabbing and politicking..the generals underestimated hilter thinking that they'd be able to control this "Bohemian Corporal" but then hitler was able to win some generals and dispatched some oppositions by having some trumped up allegations strong enough to put them into a less influencial position..thanks to Herman Goering, Joseph Goebbels and Himmler they were able to put aside conflicts..the german military's fate was sealed when hitler inaugurated the new Wermacht and have them all swear an allegiance to him..an allegiance which is sacred to every german soldier..there were many opportunities to stop or kill hilter but for me it wasn't because of any occult trinket or ritual but because of the weak political and personal will for the hitler detractors to succeed..well most of them were pacifist so they only offer verbal opposition which during the time of 1933 and onwards were considered futile and foolish..even the Vatican became useless.

and about this new world order..i've heard of it..it may have a hand in forming racist organizations in the present..but to me i think racism is already there and will rear its ugly head no matter what and regardless of hitler's success or defeat..and the christian church..THE HOLY ROMAN Church were on of the first to set an example..with the Crusades as one of their finest legacies..a ploy to grab all the lands and extend the influence of the church through the "religious" means..and of course the ever infamous Inquisition which started as an insecure attempt to monopolize believers then suddenly to turn into an ugly form of wealth usurpation then went into another killing frenzy all in the name of the "true religion" and honestly there was no neutral camp strong enough to properly document all the church's killing spree unlike hitler's who had the allies as watchdogs on how much was killed..so in totality i think hitler never even scratched the huge amount of kills the church had over centuries of frenzied killing..and to think that hilter only persecuted jews..how much more the church?..this may sound an attack to the church but it's the truth even the former pope asked for forgiveness..after all these years?..does it have to take like a few centuries to finally realize that it was a mistake?..the church would say that what hilter did was the most inhumane of all...hehehe!!! look who's talking.

[Lovely Charm]

munzter666
I am old and may have misunderstood your reply to my earlier post, if I did misunderstand you then I am sorry and apologize. I hope I can openly exchange ideas with you, and have no more misunderstandings.
The fact that you do not yet fully understand New World Order, and the secrete societies (Illuminati, Freemasonry, Protocols of the Elders of Zion, Round Table, Fourth Reich, Odessa, Surveillance industrial complex, and Occultism) That you have a lot of learning to do. Even as an Occultist (the 666 you chose to use on you user name) you have not learned that the world must be controlled for the end times. Or did you read any literature when you decided to follow Satan? So you have not read the Holy Bible or the Satanic Bible? The Antichrist will sit as the head of this One World Order (One World Government).

Nazism encompasses patriotism, nationalism, pagan myth and pagan folklore. You have to research the mythologies and folklore to even grasp what the belifs of the German people was. What did Hitler say in his speeches that made the German people that made then they were the most superior race on earth. That they had the right to send 12 million people to death camps and attack the world? What was in the power of those words that he used, that children would turn on their own parents?
If I want to fully understand what it is to be Pinoy, then I must understand the mythologies and folklore of the Philippines. These shaped the Filipino more the Christianity of Governments. I may never believe in them or understand them, but the Filipino were shaped and Filipino culture molded by these early beliefs. It is the same way. You may say to me I will never understand the Filipino people, and that may be true. But because I do not understand does not mean it does not exist. I can say you will never understand the German culture, which can also be true, but also does not mean it did not exist. Would you tell me to read a book on Filipino culture written by and someone who was not Filipino? Are you reading books about what it is to be a Nazi German also written by someone who is not even German?

Hitler also wanted to develop the Atomic bomb and yet Einstein had to run from Nazi Germany in fear for his life because he was Jewish. You can not understand the logic of illogical fanatical hatred.

Nazism did have a plan for the 4th Reich and SS officers (Odessa) escaped through out the world and continued to spread Nazism throughout the world. It is a strong reemerging force in Europe, USA, Canada, and South America. Many countries have National Nazi parties, KKK, White Supremest, and Skin-Head youth groups

Hitlers body as found by the Russians and his remains were shipped back to the USSR and for years sat an a drawer in the KGB headquarters under orders of Stalin. Hitler took poison but shot himself in the head with his own lugger. Only KGB photos now exist of his skull which clearly show the bullet exit wound out the top of his skull. Poison was considered a coward's death, a self inflected head shot was considered an honorable death. Stalin was determine to let the world think Hitler was a coward.

You really do not yet have a full grasp on just how big every thing really is? You really do not have a fuul grasp to the World out there or the complexities within it. That is why you are so skeptical because you actually know so very little about the subject and are just too proud to admit it. That nothing to be ashamed of, but you will often encounter things that are true that you will not grasp or understand, This does not mean they are not true, just you are unaware of them yet.

I think I understand you a little better now. You really are not a bad guy, or a smart-ass. I was wrong, you are only proud, and skeptical. I can accept that, I was there once myself many years ago. In person I bet you are a nice guy to know. I hope we can be friends and get beyond this misunderstanding, where we can answer each other's questions.

No offense sir but your ideas about new world order being headed by Satan?, & 666?
then you claim to know about occultism also?

Occultism does not believe in the concept of a satan existing as an entity, much so w/ the church concept of 666, its allegorical.

reading information from internet regarding freemasonry & all the rest of the supposed secret society doesnt have to be equated as having real knowledge, the least what one gets are filtered information coming from the "holy church"

One has to be a mason, one has to be a member of occult group to make any judgement.

As far as your post is concern i think your still very much tied to the grand concept of the church,

[Ramini]

ngiga jd aning lovely charm oi..bantug ra ganahan jd si regnauld nmo..hahaha!!!

[Lovely Charm]

ngiga jd aning lovely charm oi..bantug ra ganahan jd si regnauld nmo..hahaha!!!

its like this sir Ramini,,if hitler was gay then all gays must be evil for the reason that they might be doing what hitler did?

or if hitler was a vegetarian & plays chinese garter,,will it follow that we look w/ suspicion to those children who play chinese garter & Vege people?

tagging along hitlers name to occultism, masonry, & other secret societies,,,for what?
to create a bad impression w/ ths group?

i know a lot of masons & occult group,, (di yung mga occult group ha na nag invite dito for "an opening Of 3rd eye"),,walang ganun po na connection na mamang hitler

Mas klaro nga eh na meron syang blessing sa catholic church of his "cleansing" w/ the Jews..
Anu sagot ng mga die hard sa church: picture lang yun,,wala naman converstaion sa picture that they have an agreement,toink

at si reganuld,,,anak yun ni hitler sa labas

[Ramini]

hahaha!!! fine cge gd mam ikaw man ingon dli ko mu argue nmo..hehe!!..bsta for me there's no substantial occult connection in the 3rd reich..all of it are just attempts from the catholic church or whoever to put the occult in a bad light..pero mam..hitler was vegetarian wla lang ko sure if magduwa ba sya ug chinese garter..hehe!

[brownprose]

its like this sir Ramini,,if hitler was gay then all gays must be evil for the reason that they might be doing what hitler did?

or if hitler was a vegetarian & plays chinese garter,,will it follow that we look w/ suspicion to those children who play chinese garter & Vege people?

tagging along hitlers name to occultism, masonry, & other secret societies,,,for what?
to create a bad impression w/ ths group?

i know a lot of masons & occult group,, (di yung mga occult group ha na nag invite dito for "an opening Of 3rd eye"),,walang ganun po na connection na mamang hitler

Mas klaro nga eh na meron syang blessing sa catholic church of his "cleansing" w/ the Jews..
Anu sagot ng mga die hard sa church: picture lang yun,,wala naman converstaion sa picture that they have an agreement,toink

Many religion thrive on conspiracy theory to validate their views about end-time events. mao ni gitawag nila sis og "eschatology." Eschatology happens to be a very interesting topic in christian discussions as it relates mostly on the rise of the anti-Christ, the Armageddon and end-time prophecies revealed in Revelations.

Hitler used to hold the title anti-Christ during his time pero if you search the Internet you'll read a million theories about this. What's specially surprising is that it tags a buffet of famous people to be the next anti-Christ from Bill Gates to the Pope, to Bush to Obama and to even Brad Pitt!

So the point to all these conspiracy theories is to scare the wits out of most people...to believe in the idea that Satan is just around the corner. That hell is imminent because "The Lord is coming" na daw...The scarier the better as it pushes more people to be more giving and gullible to the cause against Satanism, Atheism and all...including the whims of their promoter-preachers like Reverend Ike who says "the lack of money is the true root of all evil." that their preacher "Can love the Lord a lot better when I've got money in my pocket. Bless money. Money is God in action!" Many a religion also know branding and marketing very well.

[Ramini]

naa man gani to silay Ariosophy..