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  1. #11

    Quote Originally Posted by kebotDiNaMute View Post
    "Probably" is a new story your STORY. forget your story lets hear their story.

    "Moses and other mystics"
    -- So Moses now a MYSTIC? hmmm.
    how do we know he isn't? besides, being a mystic is not at all bad or degrading. but that is out of topic so..

    on topic:

    while some points put forward by TS are accepted as truth nowadays, some are still open for interpretation and debate. also, some points are also a product of trial and error, me thinks.

    IF ONLY we had the Library of Alexandria. >.<

  2. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by anaksatawo View Post
    how do we know he isn't? besides, being a mystic is not at all bad or degrading. but that is out of topic so..

    on topic:

    while some points put forward by TS are accepted as truth nowadays, some are still open for interpretation and debate. also, some points are also a product of trial and error, me thinks.

    IF ONLY we had the Library of Alexandria. >.<
    "how do we know he isn't"
    --- because you do not have proof he is mystic. Gets!

    Mystic
    --- mystic studies or the occult.
    --- Bible does not preach occult. So, do you still want to contest your contradiction? then show evidence that he is indeed mystic... don't contest if you don't have evidence...

    "IF ONLY"
    --- this is no evidence at all. FYI

    "some are still open for interpretation and debate."
    --- of course people debated for thousand of years about the number of STARS. Right? but that does not mean the Bible is WRONG.

    "some points are also a product of trial and error, me thinks."
    --- can you be more specific? Limit yourself to the points i posted. Not on other places...
    Last edited by kebotDiNaMute; 08-19-2009 at 01:01 AM.

  3. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by kebotDiNaMute View Post
    You don't have to believe in LIES. do you?
    lies are meant to deceive. hence, only the ignorant believe in lies.

  4. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by kebotDiNaMute View Post
    "how do we know he isn't"
    --- because you do not have proof he is mystic. Gets!

    Mystic
    --- mystic studies or the occult.
    --- Bible does not preach occult. So, do you still want to contest your contradiction? then show evidence that he is indeed mystic... don't contest if you don't have evidence...

    "IF ONLY"
    --- this is no evidence at all. FYI

    "some are still open for interpretation and debate."
    --- of course people debated for thousand of years about the number of STARS. Right? but that does not mean the Bible is WRONG.

    "some points are also a product of trial and error, me thinks."
    --- can you be more specific? Limit yourself to the points i posted. Not on other places...
    on mysticism: i based my statement on this wiki description.
    the pursuit of communion with, identity with, or conscious awareness of an ultimate reality, divinity, spiritual truth, or God through direct experience, intuition, instinct or insight.
    Mysticism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    on the library of alexandria:
    what i was trying to say is that the library may have had other records that could support/deny these "Bible Truths". no harm intended, all for scholarly research.

    on interpretation and debate:
    i did not say any of these were/are wrong. if my post implied such, then i apologize, it was never my intention. so maybe perhaps you had a WRONG interpretation?

    not much really, just my interpretation:
    ...the Lord specified for him the perfect dimensions for a stable water vessel (Genesis 6:15).
    ...almost all the ocean floor is in total darkness and the water pressure becomes enormous
    ...Medical science has discovered that the blood clotting chemical prothrombin peaks in a newborn on the eighth day.

    what i am trying to say is that people may have attributed this specific details to some higher being or power but that the discovery of such was accidental or was a result of constant innovation/improvements (maybe taking several years or generations).

    lastly, i think you're too combative on your replies. its not a case of you against the world dood.

  5. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by chad_tukes View Post
    as i have said before on the other thread, what is TRUTH? how do you define truth? is truth really the truth or is the truth you're talking about your own truth? what may be truth to you may be a lie to others and vice versa. truth is a subjective concept which does not apply to everybody.
    therefore if i say that u are not true and u do not exist and that ur just a hallucination not to be taken seriously, then its my truth...

    the earth we live in may just be a pigment of our imagination and the food we eat is just an illusion because i perceive them as "untrue"... That would be the case if truth is subjective.

    therefore there's no need for jail and lawyers because everything we do can be perceived as truth...

    If a am sick, i may not need to go to the doctor because my sickness is a lie and my "wellness" is the truth even if evidence shows that i am really sick.
    Last edited by countrykidanthony; 08-19-2009 at 05:10 AM.

  6. #16
    We need to understand that before Israel became a nation, Egypt was their home. Moses the man who led Israel was raised by the royal family of Egypt, and royalties during that time were educated according to the pagan culture of Egypt,that includes mysticism, kabbalah, magic.

    and it is not surprising that Judaism reflects some pagan rituals like offerings of animals to appeased the Deities.

    Moses was a great mystic, he had achieved mastery in mysticism. no wonder he can produced magical phenomena.

    and i believe that Moses was able to hand down his wisdom and skills to his disciples w/c later on taught other disciples too like Elisha, elijah and other prophets.

    Remember the Magi of the New testament? they were not jews but how did they get to know the birth of Jesus? there is only one explanation. These people were students if not masters of mysticism.

    Mystics were the great people of ancient times.
    Last edited by Homo_quaeritans; 08-19-2009 at 07:31 AM. Reason: add more data

  7. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by Homo_quaeritans View Post
    Its a figure of speech.
    People will really push their intellect to disprove God. and its all a matter of pride.. an old issue

  8. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by anaksatawo View Post
    on mysticism: i based my statement on this wiki description.
    the pursuit of communion with, identity with, or conscious awareness of an ultimate reality, divinity, spiritual truth, or God through direct experience, intuition, instinct or insight.
    Mysticism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    on the library of alexandria:
    what i was trying to say is that the library may have had other records that could support/deny these "Bible Truths". no harm intended, all for scholarly research.

    on interpretation and debate:
    i did not say any of these were/are wrong. if my post implied such, then i apologize, it was never my intention. so maybe perhaps you had a WRONG interpretation?

    not much really, just my interpretation:
    ...the Lord specified for him the perfect dimensions for a stable water vessel (Genesis 6:15).
    ...almost all the ocean floor is in total darkness and the water pressure becomes enormous
    ...Medical science has discovered that the blood clotting chemical prothrombin peaks in a newborn on the eighth day.

    what i am trying to say is that people may have attributed this specific details to some higher being or power but that the discovery of such was accidental or was a result of constant innovation/improvements (maybe taking several years or generations).

    lastly, i think you're too combative on your replies. its not a case of you against the world dood.
    what i am trying to say is that people may have attributed this specific details to some higher being or power but that the discovery of such was accidental or was a result of constant innovation/improvements (maybe taking several years or generations).
    --- that maybe of your brad still is no proof. What you are trying to do is to speculate other possibility of making it wrong. Too many truth in one book? that must be something... Nostradamus got a few... but mostly are wrong... but he is still a celebrity. I wonder why you people are desperately trying to make it wrong using ur WHAT IF's and MAYBE's....

    lastly, i think you're too combative on your replies. its not a case of you against the world dood
    --- i donot have to be an intelligent thinker as long as im no dumb. There was nothing to counter your replies but to ask an evidence of your claims...

  9. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by chad_tukes View Post
    lies are meant to deceive. hence, only the ignorant believe in lies.
    Well I connot prove that you believe in Lies neither do you can prove i believe in lies... then we will have to see. Who are the IGNORANTS..

  10. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by Homo_quaeritans View Post
    We need to understand that before Israel became a nation, Egypt was their home. Moses the man who led Israel was raised by the royal family of Egypt, and royalties during that time were educated according to the pagan culture of Egypt,that includes mysticism, kabbalah, magic.

    and it is not surprising that Judaism reflects some pagan rituals like offerings of animals to appeased the Deities.

    Moses was a great mystic, he had achieved mastery in mysticism. no wonder he can produced magical phenomena.

    and i believe that Moses was able to hand down his wisdom and skills to his disciples w/c later on taught other disciples too like Elisha, elijah and other prophets.

    Remember the Magi of the New testament? they were not jews but how did they get to know the birth of Jesus? there is only one explanation. These people were students if not masters of mysticism.

    Mystics were the great people of ancient times.
    Remember the Magi of the New testament? they were not jews but how did they get to know the birth of Jesus? there is only one explanation. These people were students if not masters of mysticism.
    --- wrong there are many possibilities. Don't close out on the others you are never certain... RIGHT? they know why, because the devil told them. Devil come to steal to kill and to destroy.. whatever the case of you brad, i wonder if you belong on this team.

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