How do we really know God exists... The Bible Answers

[schmuck]

Can't you see the cycle my friend....it start with God and end-up with GOD!!!

sure sure. if you think circular reasoning is valid

[nikxz unÖ]

That made me laugh
Infallible? weird of gawd?

yeah schmuck, Valid
LoL

[schmuck]

if you dont believe the bible then what do you believe in?

false dilemma fallacy. look it up.

[handsoff241]

Wala man nako gi sukod ang Ginoo .. pagsukod diay nang nagtoo ka unsay gisulti diha sa Bibliya.
Are u a Believer bro ? Do you believe in what the Bible Say ?
Ako mo tuo jud ko nga the unbeliever are already condemned they are predestined to HELL.
John 3:18
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.
Maka refute ka ana bro with your "Divine Mercy" .... this people im sure are not covered With the predestined salvation.
Predestined Salvation courtesy from Bro Malic .. salamat bro i learned something from it.

ayawg ihikaw ang dili imuha.

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It would help if you guys state your stand clearly and if you want to get your point across, please improve your grammar... honestly, it's hard to understand your points. If you are deficient in english.. then by all means.. use your native tongue.. the point is.. after all.. to get your point across.
Also, it would be better if your answers would be better than one liners with no meat in them...I believe a lot of people would appreciate it if you take more time to compose your posts instead of one line replies to the previous post.

I am not here to debate with anyone.. so don't start.. It's better if you make points and counterpoints that aid to the discussion...

let me stress on the first 2 paragraphs, a lot of people in this forums needs to work on it.

so 3rd paragraph.. nanghinaw ka? you have stated your points, and those are subject to refutes and debates, don't tell me you will not respond. just an idea though.

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Proof of God = Bible ---- FAIL
I find the explanation problematic since the author places the explanation for God's existence in the Bible. It PRESUPPOSES a belief system that whatever is written in the Bible is God's word. We all know the bible is actually a list of books.. actually hundreds of books in the scrolls that were found hundreds of years ago.. but Man has sifted through these different books ACCORDING to what He THOUGHT would approximate God's message to us or what would fit under the teachings of the time (refer to Emperor Constantine and the Council of Nicea)... Apparently, we see here man's interpretation and intervention in the Bible. Catholics claim that these texts were written by "Men under the guidance of the Holy Spirit".. ok.. then what about those who screened and took out the other books who didn't make it to the Bible? What authority did these people have to discern that these books were not "qualified" to be in the final Bible? That would be the Holy Spirit again right? Right...

it is HOW YOU FIND IT, first, (1.)let's limit ourselves to the God, the RC, the add and the INC claims to be their's. and since you stressed on the cathilics let us focus on them. the bible is indeed the ONLY source(1.) on our knowldge about God, how can it fail in proving His existence when it is the only source we have?
the people who "screened" the other books not to be part of the bible, are the guys from the vatican and vatican's council, this guys, headed by the pope are descendants of peter, and they have historical proof as well as biblical. ok let's us say you still challenge their right and infallability, but they already screened it hundreds of years ago, if they were telling lies, WOW! what a lie. and if the Holy Spirit did not approves their works, great men. great men indeed.

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Proof of God - Our existence / Argument of causality
This is a reasonable explanation... as cliche goes.. the immovable mover, the creator, the source of all things. This is all well and good ... but I don't see it as a proof... it is more of an evolutionary theory to explain our existence. Hundreds of years ago, people looked to the Sun as their god. We all know that is not the case now as we have expanded our knowledge...hence a change in our belief from a Sun god.. to the God as we know Him today. Religion has also had to change its stance with regards to our place in the universe. (refer to Galileo vs the Church)

It is compelling and logical to believe that all of this MUST have come from something. My only problem is that religion immediately makes THE jump and concludes that all of it stems from God... this by itself is fine... but in doing this.. religion has taken a "leap of faith" and skips vital subjects such as creation and evolution. The backlash of that immediate jump to a conclusion today has been overwhelming evidence regarding evolution (from the big bang.. to Darwin) as science has shown. I believe the church may have to again revise its stance regarding creation (refer to the whole adam eve thing in Genesis), (formation of universe). Religion has had to change time and time again... especially today with advances in science disproving many religious beliefs.

first of all, God as we know of him today was not a revision of the sun god you were talking about. you just said it is more of an explanation rather than a proof, well that's because you are smart and you know well enough to outwit your faith. well fine stick to what you think. science and religion are still oil and water. and talking about evolution and stuff, thousands of OPARTS are still unexplained by your "evolutionist" guys, and most of those(OPARTS) gives hints that man existed older than your evolution guys supposed to. and also.. there is still a missing link between man and ape.. there is still.

religion did not take a jump on it's own, that was a jump claimed, known as old as the bible and as old as world itself. my refute is on the first paragraph of this reply.

Change
Since we are under constant flux, I believe that Man should be open minded enough to accept new ideas and not stick to static views that some religions hold. Religion has taught us humility .. yet we are not humble enough to accept that we know so little as our religion makes us believe that we know God and how He has created everything around us. Religion has had many mistaken beliefs in the past and they are too numerous to mention... how sure are we that our current beliefs now are not subject to change in the future? In a way, I find "hardcore" religious believers arrogant in the sense that they believe that they know everything... and have an explanation for everything.

yes, change it is the only constant thing. the whole idea of the religion itself does not need to change, but some aspects on the lower hierarchy do need to adopt the man and his culture. our religion has already thought us SO MUCH about God, wala lang tingale ka kahibaw mao nakaingun ka ana. it is we, who did not take it or failed to know or was not given the chance to know, and also there is nohting more to know about a being that supposedly be unfathomable by man.
i dont have a say on arrogant hardcore believers, we agree on that part.

[necrotic freak]

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Assent rather than dissent

being dissent to bible is always on my mind, can't help it

Okay typo accepted.

so you assent to the hundreds government laws? you must even pay your tax or else you suffer the consequences and some of it are rubbish. while the 10 laws of God are hard for you to take? without any tax!

really, really... atheists are the most funny people on earth.

[schmuck]

Okay typo accepted.

so you assent to the hundreds government laws? you must even pay your tax or else you suffer the consequences and some of it are rubbish. while the 10 laws of God are hard for you to take? without any tax!

really, really... atheists are the most funny people on earth.

maybe because the 10 commandments don't make sense in a modern society?

[handsoff241]

Using the bible to prove itself.. the wheel is complete..

sure sure. if you think circular reasoning is valid

why are you sticking on this? hangover?
you know there is a way to breakout on both believers' and non believers' side.
well so much for teh lulz

[handsoff241]

maybe because the 10 commandments don't make sense in a modern society?

you are the only one saying it.

thinking about it, maybe you are right, it;s not making sense cause i has been ignore too much.. but.. NOT!


its a "not" joke..nhooot; like that

[schmuck]

why are you sticking on this? hangover?
you know there is a way to breakout on both believers' and non believers' side.
well so much for teh lulz

hehe please give example on how to break the cycle
start with, how do you know the bible is the word of god?

[necrotic freak]

maybe because the 10 commandments don't make sense in a modern society?

your maybe is much closer to none.