How do we really know God exists... The Bible Answers

[nikxz unÖ]

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compare the number of atheists in the world today vs. to the believers whatever religion or deities they believe in.

A big difference

oh can you please answer my question?

[amingb]

ayaw lage sukda nag Ginoo.

dont make me do BS the way you do.

Wala man nako gi sukod ang Ginoo .. pagsukod diay nang nagtoo ka unsay gisulti diha sa Bibliya.

Are u a Believer bro ? Do you believe in what the Bible Say ?

Ako mo tuo jud ko nga the unbeliever are already condemned they are predestined to HELL.

John 3:18
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.

Maka refute ka ana bro with your "Divine Mercy" .... this people im sure are not covered With the predestined salvation.

Predestined Salvation courtesy from Bro Malic .. salamat bro i learned something from it.

[vipvip68]

I've been reading the last few pages.. all I've read have been tit for tat insults and salvos with very few points to aid the discussion.

It would help if you guys state your stand clearly and if you want to get your point across, please improve your grammar... honestly, it's hard to understand your points. If you are deficient in english.. then by all means.. use your native tongue.. the point is.. after all.. to get your point across.

Also, it would be better if your answers would be better than one liners with no meat in them...I believe a lot of people would appreciate it if you take more time to compose your posts instead of one line replies to the previous post.

I am not here to debate with anyone.. so don't start.. It's better if you make points and counterpoints that aid to the discussion...

Can we get back to topic now for the sake of this thread?

[necrotic freak]

gawd? your gawd with special list of 10 things he does not want you to do
and if you do any of these 10 things, he has a special place full of fire, smoke, torture, suffering, pain.
A place for you to suffer all these things forever and ever and ever and ever no ending.
But he loves you, he loves you, HE loves you, your gawd loves you

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my God has listed only 10 things to not to do.. are you not worried with the hundreds of laws in the supreme court prohibiting us as citizen? or else sentenced for life? just wondering. are you rebeling from our government laws too? remember PGMA loves you.

[schmuck]

compare the number of atheists in the world today vs. to the believers whatever religion or deities they believe in.

argumentum ad populum.

[amingb]

then why people like you are so interested in arguing for nothing? its because paradoxically its there and it lives.

Parihas jud ta thinking about them bro ....

there is no Atheist but a thiest who deny God ... divine conciousness is always present in ourself and its instinct and expanding ... until they found some Truth.

Psalm 14
1The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

[rbrallos]

ni tuo ko sa ginoo ug dili nako kinahanglan pa ug proof

[nikxz unÖ]

my God has list only 10 things to not to do.. are you not worried with the hundreds of laws in the supreme court prohibiting us as citizen? or else sentenced for life? just wondering. are you rebeling from our government laws too? remember PGMA loves you.

huh?

As fr as I know, I've been dissent to the government laws
and oh.. if i just did, please tell me
Thanks

I don't care if pgma loves me
and please fix some of your grammars for the readers to understand what your points is

[necrotic freak]

huh?

As fr as I know, I've been dissent to the government laws
and oh.. if i just did, please tell me
Thanks

so you mean you disagree also to the government laws? no need to tell you coz you already did.

I don't care if pgma loves me
and please fix some of your grammars for the readers to understand what your points is

i know you understand my grammers coz you responded it. well sorry im not that excellent as vipvip68.

[vipvip68]

I'll just add something based on the video posted sa Page 1.. which is regarding an explanation of God's existence through the Bible.

Proof of God = Bible ---- FAIL
I find the explanation problematic since the author places the explanation for God's existence in the Bible. It PRESUPPOSES a belief system that whatever is written in the Bible is God's word. We all know the bible is actually a list of books.. actually hundreds of books in the scrolls that were found hundreds of years ago.. but Man has sifted through these different books ACCORDING to what He THOUGHT would approximate God's message to us or what would fit under the teachings of the time (refer to Emperor Constantine and the Council of Nicea)... Apparently, we see here man's interpretation and intervention in the Bible. Catholics claim that these texts were written by "Men under the guidance of the Holy Spirit".. ok.. then what about those who screened and took out the other books who didn't make it to the Bible? What authority did these people have to discern that these books were not "qualified" to be in the final Bible? That would be the Holy Spirit again right? Right...

Proof of God - Our existence / Argument of causality
This is a reasonable explanation... as cliche goes.. the immovable mover, the creator, the source of all things. This is all well and good ... but I don't see it as a proof... it is more of an evolutionary theory to explain our existence. Hundreds of years ago, people looked to the Sun as their god. We all know that is not the case now as we have expanded our knowledge...hence a change in our belief from a Sun god.. to the God as we know Him today. Religion has also had to change its stance with regards to our place in the universe. (refer to Galileo vs the Church)

It is compelling and logical to believe that all of this MUST have come from something. My only problem is that religion immediately makes THE jump and concludes that all of it stems from God... this by itself is fine... but in doing this.. religion has taken a "leap of faith" and skips vital subjects such as creation and evolution. The backlash of that immediate jump to a conclusion today has been overwhelming evidence regarding evolution (from the big bang.. to Darwin) as science has shown. I believe the church may have to again revise its stance regarding creation (refer to the whole adam eve thing in Genesis), (formation of universe). Religion has had to change time and time again... especially today with advances in science disproving many religious beliefs.

Change
Since we are under constant flux, I believe that Man should be open minded enough to accept new ideas and not stick to static views that some religions hold. Religion has taught us humility .. yet we are not humble enough to accept that we know so little as our religion makes us believe that we know God and how He has created everything around us. Religion has had many mistaken beliefs in the past and they are too numerous to mention... how sure are we that our current beliefs now are not subject to change in the future? In a way, I find "hardcore" religious believers arrogant in the sense that they believe that they know everything... and have an explanation for everything.