How do we really know God exists... The Bible Answers

[regnauld]

Stating that life on earth is so complex that it must have an intelligent designer and been gaining strength masquerading as a science.
It's a belief structure Not science. We all know of no one who made a research and support it claims and it makes no testable predictions concerning ID's.

Apparent Design of the Universe. The story of sir Isaac newton, deeply religious man, Newton was struck by the order that he observed in the orbits of the planets, with all of them in the same plane. He could think of no reason for this, so he attributed it to God. Of course now, through science, we understand the gravitational dynamics in the formation of solar systems fairly well, and no longer need to invoke a god. Science is similarly showing how the rest of the universe works and eliminating the need for theistic explanations.

Ultimately, an intelligent designer of the universe or life explains nothing. It simply moves the lack of knowledge up one level, because this intelligent designer is left without an explanation, unless you posit either that it always existed or a more intelligent designer of the intelligent designer, ad infinitum and ad nauseum.

If it always existed, then what caused it to go an infinite amount of time and abruptly decide to create the universe? Thus, the intelligent designer answer is plagued with two insurmountable infinity problems.

The universe was not designed for life, in practically the entire universe conditions are extremely hostile to life. Saying that the universe is made just for us is like a frog looking at his pond and thinking that the whole world was made just for him.

I beg to disagree with you that the universe was not designed for life. Everything that you see and observe has LIFE and EVERYTHING IN LIFE IS SPIRITUAL. My proof? Everything contains billions of molecules and atoms and these things if you break it down to the smallest element is nothing but EMPTY SPACE which is CONSCIOUSNESS ITSELF that made up the whole universe. Study Quantum Physics for your info for you are still operating from the old school of thought like the thought of Richard Dawkins and Charles Darwin. Their theories have been refuted already by these quantum physicists.

As the ancient wisdom says "From the Microcosm to the Macrocosm. And from Within so Without."

BTW, you have not yet answered and explained the PHI or Divine Proportion. This is not COMPLEXITY but SIMPLICITY masquerading as COMPLEX DESIGN! Evolution itself is an INTELLIGENT DESIGN which is based from the UNIVERSAL LAW of CHANGE!

[nikxz unÖ]

If it were true that a god set up the universe specifically for us, he certainly waited a long time for the result. The universe has been around for about 14 billion years. It took about nine billion years before Earth was formed from the remnants of supernova stars. Single celled bacteria were forming ecosystems about a billion years after that, as shown by the evidence for Earth’s history in its rocks and fossils. For about two and a half billion years life consisted of only single celled organisms. Life evolved and became more complex with multi-celled organisms. It then took another billion years for fish, reptiles and mammals to appear. Then humans, gawds supposed reason for the whole creation, finally came along within the last 150,000 years or so, on one planet orbiting one of the trillions of stars. This seems like a lengthy, complex, massive, and apparently natural process for an omnipotent being that could have simply snapped everything (or just one magic planet) into existence. Using a gawd as the source of the laws of physics just doesn’t make sense. Once again, religionists are trying to explain one mystery with a bigger mystery.

[necrotic freak]

bravo!!! and your conclusion there is no God? because its a lengthly, complex, massive process?

[regnauld]

If it were true that a god set up the universe specifically for us, he certainly waited a long time for the result. The universe has been around for about 14 billion years. It took about nine billion years before Earth was formed from the remnants of supernova stars. Single celled bacteria were forming ecosystems about a billion years after that, as shown by the evidence for Earth’s history in its rocks and fossils. For about two and a half billion years life consisted of only single celled organisms. Life evolved and became more complex with multi-celled organisms. It then took another billion years for fish, reptiles and mammals to appear. Then humans, gawds supposed reason for the whole creation, finally came along within the last 150,000 years or so, on one planet orbiting one of the trillions of stars. This seems like a lengthy, complex, massive, and apparently natural process for an omnipotent being that could have simply snapped everything (or just one magic planet) into existence. Using a gawd as the source of the laws of physics just doesn’t make sense. Once again, religionists are trying to explain one mystery with a bigger mystery.

The materialist notion or the theory of evolution based on Darwin is incomplete and does not constitute the whole truth about the origin of life. It is in fact only one view and just a part of the whole truth. It is just like a man viewing the world from the rooftop but doesn't know what the complete picture of the world. It is in fact only one of the infinite ways of viewing the universe or I would say the theory of evolution is just a drop of the entire ocean but not the ocean per se.

Let's go to other explanation of the origin of the universe.

Intelligent Design is obvious upon close examination of any machine. The concept and design inherent in a machine, whether simple or complex, is self-evident. Whether a machine is high quality or low quality, its designer is both necessary and apparent. Information Theory states that concept and design can only result from a mind. Even the diminished quality of a poorly constructed machine cannot obscure the necessity of an intelligent designer. Machines, as defined by French Biochemist and Nobel Laureate Jacques Lucien Monod (1910-1976), are "purposeful aggregates of matter that, utilizing energy, perform specific tasks." By this authoritative definition, living systems are recognized as machines. A living organism fulfills the definition of a machine all the way down to the molecular level. And yet, because of the philosophical and religious implications of life resulting from Intelligent Design, a surprisingly large portion of the intelligentsia seek to find a mechanism by which life may arise naturally by random chance. Evolutionists admit the inconsistency. George Wald, an evolutionist, states, "When it comes to the origin of life there are only two possibilities: creation or spontaneous generation. There is no third way. Spontaneous generation was disproved one hundred years ago, but that leads us to only one other conclusion, that of supernatural creation. We cannot accept that on philosophical grounds; therefore, we choose to believe the impossible: that life arose spontaneously by chance!" ("The Origin of Life," Scientific American, 191:48. May 1954).

[flying fish]

haaay kani gyud si god,.....the word is never the thing

[munzter666]

The materialist notion or the theory of evolution based on Darwin is incomplete and does not constitute the whole truth about the origin of life. It is in fact only one view and just a part of the whole truth. It is just like a man viewing the world from the rooftop but doesn't know what the complete picture of the world. It is in fact only one of the infinite ways of viewing the universe or I would say the theory of evolution is just a drop of the entire ocean but not the ocean per se.

Let's go to other explanation of the origin of the universe.

Intelligent Design is obvious upon close examination of any machine. The concept and design inherent in a machine, whether simple or complex, is self-evident. Whether a machine is high quality or low quality, its designer is both necessary and apparent. Information Theory states that concept and design can only result from a mind. Even the diminished quality of a poorly constructed machine cannot obscure the necessity of an intelligent designer. Machines, as defined by French Biochemist and Nobel Laureate Jacques Lucien Monod (1910-1976), are "purposeful aggregates of matter that, utilizing energy, perform specific tasks." By this authoritative definition, living systems are recognized as machines. A living organism fulfills the definition of a machine all the way down to the molecular level. And yet, because of the philosophical and religious implications of life resulting from Intelligent Design, a surprisingly large portion of the intelligentsia seek to find a mechanism by which life may arise naturally by random chance. Evolutionists admit the inconsistency. George Wald, an evolutionist, states, "When it comes to the origin of life there are only two possibilities: creation or spontaneous generation. There is no third way. Spontaneous generation was disproved one hundred years ago, but that leads us to only one other conclusion, that of supernatural creation. We cannot accept that on philosophical grounds; therefore, we choose to believe the impossible: that life arose spontaneously by chance!" ("The Origin of Life," Scientific American, 191:48. May 1954).

i've read this copy pasted essay reg, intelligent design is creationism in a cheap tuxedo *nemmo

There is no third way. Spontaneous generation was disproved one hundred years ago, but that leads us to only one other conclusion, that of supernatural creation.
oh yeah spontaneous generation disproved...mud pie magic wins. good luck na lang.

billions of sperm...only ONE will fertilize the EGG. MIRACLE or CHANCE? think about it.

[Hellblazer 2.1]

To those who Believe, no proof is necessary.
To those who do not believe, no proof is enough.

well said, doc. well said.

[nikxz unÖ]

ID and Creationism are basically the same.

[handsoff241]

i've read this copy pasted essay reg, intelligent design is creationism in a cheap tuxedo *nemmo

There is no third way. Spontaneous generation was disproved one hundred years ago, but that leads us to only one other conclusion, that of supernatural creation.
oh yeah spontaneous generation disproved...mud pie magic wins. good luck na lang.

billions of sperm...only ONE will fertilize the EGG. MIRACLE or CHANCE? think about it.

it is called a person's Point of View, not yours not mine but his. if you say think about it your making restart on the whole loop you already passed. if you don't believe, won't hurt our a$$ and won't make our God unreal.

doesn;t matter how many sperm will fertilize the egg, only one soul will thrive on it and that soul is you. not chance but miracle, cause no matter who owns that sperm, if it's you on your respective mother's womb then it is you, as planned by God.

better start from our God who lives in our hearts and in our mind than start from something that does not live even in your mind.

[real_matrix24]

Believing Faith - Nitoo ka sa imong gitoohan
Trusting Faith - Ni salig ka sa imong gitoohan...