Telecom firms explain load shelf-life

[brownprose]

pila man diay capacity sa usa ka HLR?
tagpila man diay ang usa ka HLR?
how much does it cost to operate the HLR 24/7?

Granting:
SMART has around 30Million subs, Globe around 20Million, Sun around 10Million.
so pila ka HLR ang imong paliton ug i-maintain?

if dili na mo expire ang SIM or load, ang imong HLR nag store ug subscriber nga "not moving"...meaning, if an HLR has 1million capacity, unya walay load(kay dili man kaha pa-expiron) ang tanan SIM nga naa dinha nga 1million kabuok, gi maintain/save sa GSM network provider, pero nag kaon man kana ug kuryente, ang mga tawo nga do the maintenance, ang license per sim stored sa HLR bayaran man na sa SMART/GLOBE/SUN ngadto sa NOKIA or Siemens or Ericsson or Huawei or kung kinsa ang nag himo sa HLR. so mao tingali ni ila pasabot sa "clogging" sa network kay asa man nila ibutang ang mga "active" SIM? so mopalit sila ug bag-o nga HLR para lang sa mga "active" SIM?

on the load expiry,
pareha ra gihapon ni sa walay load, if 1million capacity ang tanan naay load pero not moving for 1year...
1million x 5pesos = 5millionpesos nga wala naglihok sa imong HLR, unsaon na lang ang OPEX?
who will pay for the cost of maintaining your 5pesos or no load SIM?

did you know that banks charge your deposited money a monthly "maintance fee" if it is not moving or what they called dormant accounts? kahibalo mo ug tagpila ang charge? and that they require you to have a maintaining balance of 5thousand some as high as 150thousand depending on the service that you availed from them. and that if your balance fall below the required maintaining balance there is a corresponding charge?

if ako ang SMART/GLOBE/SUN...mo sugot ko nga dili mo expire ang load or sim basta ang mga SIM naay 5thousand pesos average daily balance sa ilang account...hehehe

Another example:
Ang imong PC or server, butangan ug 40gb movie file sa imong silingan...unya dili niya ipa-erase sa imong hard disk kay iya pang tan-awon in the near future...mosugot ka nga dili siya mobayad sa space nga gi occupy sa iyang mga files? what if you also have a file to store unya dili na masulod kay naa to ang file sa imong silingan...imong deleton o palit ka bag-o nga hard drive? kinsay mobayad sa imong bag-o nga hard drive? ikaw o ang imong silingan? .

It's quite a loadsome bro. You have a point. But let me go through each of them from a layman's perspective.

1) 24/7 HLR --> HLR maintenance costs is nothing compared to the amount of SMS and calls that are exchanged everyday specially in this country nga matud pa "the text capital of the world". So whatever revenue generated out of these exchanges it can easily payoff for the entire HLR including those inactive and less active subscribers.

I also do not see the logic why people keep a sim without a load for a period of time. So I don't think HLR is much of an issue really. Bisag unsa ka uyamot sa mga pinoy karon apil na gyud na sa ilang budget karon ang load.

Also, with today's technology, 1) inactive accounts can be easily detected by their system. For an account that hasn't been used for let's say six months unya wala gyuy load load is obviously wala na gigamit. They can easily detect and delete that account in their HLR database like no sweat. Pero ang kanang naa pay load dili lang unta na hilabtan kay eventually gamiton ra man gyud na which leads me to number 2) "Inactive" but loaded accounts/"dormant accounts/subscriptions". Do they (telcos) really think nga di gyud na gamiton ang load for one year? It's a lame assumption. Why does one need to pay for a load credit unya dili diay gamiton or paaboton pa'g usa ka tuig una gamiton? This doesn't make sense. Filipinos text each other like 5-10 times a day. That's just nuts to get their load credits wasted or idle for a long time.

The crucial issue actually here is the right of consumers to decide on the use or disposal of that goods/services that have already been paid. On that thought, walay katungod ang mga telcos to dictate kung kanus-a gamiton og unsaon paggamit ang load credits sa usa ka konsumidor.

[k.A.i]

if dili na mo expire ang SIM or load, ang imong HLR nag store ug subscriber nga "not moving"...meaning, if an HLR has 1million capacity, unya walay load(kay dili man kaha pa-expiron) ang tanan SIM nga naa dinha nga 1million kabuok, gi maintain/save sa GSM network provider, pero nag kaon man kana ug kuryente, ang mga tawo nga do the maintenance,

bro, ang bayaran sa kuryente wla kana gadepende sa gidaghanun sa sulod sa ilang database
and part nana sa atong gibayran ang sweldo sa ga maintenance.

ang license per sim stored sa HLR bayaran man na sa SMART/GLOBE/SUN ngadto sa NOKIA or Siemens or Ericsson or Huawei or kung kinsa ang nag himo sa HLR. so mao tingali ni ila pasabot sa "clogging" sa network kay asa man nila ibutang ang mga "active" SIM? so mopalit sila ug bag-o nga HLR para lang sa mga "active" SIM?

bro, kung naa may license per sim nga bayranan nila sa nokia blah blah blah,
apil na kana sa atong gibayran sa pagpalit lang nato daan sa sim card

on the load expiry,
pareha ra gihapon ni sa walay load, if 1million capacity ang tanan naay load pero not moving for 1year...
1million x 5pesos = 5millionpesos nga wala naglihok sa imong HLR, unsaon na lang ang OPEX?
who will pay for the cost of maintaining your 5pesos or no load SIM?

bro, dili tanan or 1 million ang wala nag gamit sa ilang load...

did you know that banks charge your deposited money a monthly "maintance fee" if it is not moving or what they called dormant accounts? kahibalo mo ug tagpila ang charge? and that they require you to have a maintaining balance of 5thousand some as high as 150thousand depending on the service that you availed from them. and that if your balance fall below the required maintaining balance there is a corresponding charge?

if ako ang SMART/GLOBE/SUN...mo sugot ko nga dili mo expire ang load or sim basta ang mga SIM naay 5thousand pesos average daily balance sa ilang account...hehehe

bro, ang load bro dili kana pareha sa banko, ato kanang gipalit..
kung gusto jud ka ecompare sa banko, naa unta sad silay INTEREST

Another example:
Ang imong PC or server, butangan ug 40gb movie file sa imong silingan...unya dili niya ipa-erase sa imong hard disk kay iya pang tan-awon in the near future...mosugot ka nga dili siya mobayad sa space nga gi occupy sa iyang mga files? what if you also have a file to store unya dili na masulod kay naa to ang file sa imong silingan...imong deleton o palit ka bag-o nga hard drive? kinsay mobayad sa imong bag-o nga hard drive? ikaw o ang imong silingan?

sayop man ni nga example.

ibutang nato
ang imong pc or server = smart/globe company
ang 40gb movie files = load nga imong gipalit
ang silingan = subscriber nga nagpalit

nya imong question

mosugot ka nga dili siya mobayad sa space nga gi occupy sa iyang mga files? what if you also have a file to store unya dili na masulod kay naa to ang file sa imong silingan...imong deleton o palit ka bag-o nga hard drive? kinsay mobayad sa imong bag-o nga hard drive? ikaw o ang imong silingan?

pasabot ana, ang imong silingan, DIHA NIPALIT nimo ug MOVIE.
nya wla man siyay kabutangan, nya diha gud siya nipalit nimo,
therefore, apil nana sa iyang gibayran.
kung dili ka gusto nga estore iyang files sa imong PC/server, nganung namaligya man ka ug movies?



opinion ko lang

[istoryaaah]

As what I've said, The telecom companies have the right to expire the sim! If the sim has a load of 5 pesos and not used within a year then that would be subject to expiry. They also have the right for sim reactivation. Expiring a sim doesn't cost you HLR, you simply 0 the balance and expire the sim.

But for a load to expire in a certain period of time is BS!

Imagine you buying a 100 leaves notebook. The notebook costs PHP25.00. You've paid for the notebook right? So you can do whatever you like with it. If you don't wanna use it for 10 years then fine! you paid for it.

But the telecom's calculation, you paid for the load amount in full, and if you decide not to use it, it expires? WTF! Now where's my money going? They should've let .25cents SMS if they wanted the load to expire. lol..

[owNinZ]

dapat discard ang expiry sa prepaid call & txt cards!

[leo_trams]

@leo: ur example is totally irrelevant. Magamit man gyud na ang load eventually considering that almost everyone here in the phil are using cellphones(unlike sa video example nimu)... di pa gani cguro ma abtan sa expiry, mahurot na ang load.... but dili gyud malikayan panagsa na naay panahon dili nato kaayo magamit ang load nya maabtan ug expiry, money loss na na sa atong part... considering sa daily profits these companies earn, i don't think ikalugi gyud na nila... how come sa uban countries wala may expiry ilang mga load?

hehehe..onli n da pilipins.

ang video example was only to show...that SIM data also occupies disk space. Not only in the HLR but in the VLR as well. unya dili ra man tingali ni pareha sa atong computer nga mo add lang ka ug extra drives...if you want to expand subscriber capacity, you have to buy the entire equipment that handles the HLR and the VLR, you have to buy/lease building or land, erect towers, buy transmission equipment...imagine buying all those just to accommodate zero load SIMs.



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[leo_trams]

It's quite a loadsome bro. You have a point. But let me go through each of them from a layman's perspective.

1) 24/7 HLR --> HLR maintenance costs is nothing compared to the amount of SMS and calls that are exchanged everyday specially in this country nga matud pa "the text capital of the world". So whatever revenue generated out of these exchanges it can easily payoff for the entire HLR including those inactive and less active subscribers.

I also do not see the logic why people keep a sim without a load for a period of time. So I don't think HLR is much of an issue really. Bisag unsa ka uyamot sa mga pinoy karon apil na gyud na sa ilang budget karon ang load.

Also, with today's technology, 1) inactive accounts can be easily detected by their system. For an account that hasn't been used for let's say six months unya wala gyuy load load is obviously wala na gigamit. They can easily detect and delete that account in their HLR database like no sweat. Pero ang kanang naa pay load dili lang unta na hilabtan kay eventually gamiton ra man gyud na which leads me to number 2) "Inactive" but loaded accounts/"dormant accounts/subscriptions". Do they (telcos) really think nga di gyud na gamiton ang load for one year? It's a lame assumption. Why does one need to pay for a load credit unya dili diay gamiton or paaboton pa'g usa ka tuig una gamiton? This doesn't make sense. Filipinos text each other like 5-10 times a day. That's just nuts to get their load credits wasted or idle for a long time.

The crucial issue actually here is the right of consumers to decide on the use or disposal of that goods/services that have already been paid. On that thought, walay katungod ang mga telcos to dictate kung kanus-a gamiton og unsaon paggamit ang load credits sa usa ka konsumidor.

good point!

extend lang tingali ang expiry. as to how long...ambot. hehehe
short term load expiry forces clients to load up regularly...hmmm business model, steady flow of income..hehehe


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[leo_trams]

bro, ang bayaran sa kuryente wla kana gadepende sa gidaghanun sa sulod sa ilang database
and part nana sa atong gibayran ang sweldo sa ga maintenance.

the larger the database mosamot kadako ang electric bill, you need more space, more precision air-conditioning units, you also will need more towers, more transmission equipment and more switching equipment...

bro, kung naa may license per sim nga bayranan nila sa nokia blah blah blah,
apil na kana sa atong gibayran sa pagpalit lang nato daan sa sim card

correct bro,
but license fee is annually paid, you don't pay annual fees on your sim do you?

bro, dili tanan or 1 million ang wala nag gamit sa ilang load...

hehehe...if GLOBE has 20million subscribers, I bet 40% to 50% of that has no load at any given time.
so, 10million subs has no load at any given time. Pero, it is a money making scheme....onli n da pilipins. force the clients to load up para naay steady flow of revenues...maybe this will change depending on the consumers spending pattern. For now, it is still working for them. If wise na ang mga subscribers, dili mopalit ug load if dili gyud importante kaayo...wala nay halin, so this may change.

bro, ang load bro dili kana pareha sa banko, ato kanang gipalit..
kung gusto jud ka ecompare sa banko, naa unta sad silay INTEREST

para nako parehas ra. ang imong kwarta nga gideposit sa banko, ilang deductionan ug maintenance fee.
unsa-on pag INTEREST nga ang load 15pesos ra man. Sa banko bro, kwentaha ang interest sa 15pesos in one year at 2%. unya usa ra na ka tawo bro. dawaton sa banko ang 15peso balance account?

sayop man ni nga example.

ibutang nato
ang imong pc or server = smart/globe company
ang 40gb movie files = load nga imong gipalit
ang silingan = subscriber nga nagpalit

i was referring to the space occupied by a given subscriber data on the network hardware.
network hardware is very expensive...dili lang na siya simple nga hard disk, you have to consider floor space, precise airconditioning, precise power, towers, transmission equipment, switching.

nya imong question
pasabot ana, ang imong silingan, DIHA NIPALIT nimo ug MOVIE.
nya wla man siyay kabutangan, nya diha gud siya nipalit nimo,
therefore, apil nana sa iyang gibayran.
kung dili ka gusto nga estore iyang files sa imong PC/server, nganung namaligya man ka ug movies?
opinion ko lang

I was referring to the space and free storage.
di ba imong SIM walay load...meaning free siya nga nag occupy sa hard drive sa network.
unya naay incoming SIM nga naay load pero wala nay space...so buy na pud ug hardware para accommodate sa incoming SIM nga naay load...so, magkadaghan o magkadaku ang imong hardware unya wala nag earn ug income, kay dili man kaha ipadelete ang SIM nga walay load...Ok ra tingali if you are a non-profit cellular company.

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[crinkle]

i don't question the expiry of load. i do however demand an explanation for its bizarre evaporation.

[green_giant]

I don't think bill 456 can prosper once those hungry crocs on barongs get fed by telecom companies. For there's a saying that goes, "who owns the gold, make the rules"..amen

[hacxcena]

the larger the database mosamot kadako ang electric bill, you need more space, more precision air-conditioning units, you also will need more towers, more transmission equipment and more switching equipment...


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I don't agree that the larger the database mo dako sad imo kuryente bro..If they installed 10 terabytes of storage na nagdagan ma naa siya sulod or wala the same ra gihapon ang kuryente na iya gi consumed. Its not the same sa aircon na imo i fan less kuryente ma consumed og high cool mas taas kuryente ma consumed compare sa fan settings bro.