The Only Source of Truth?

[Tobi]

The host of Ang Dating Daan namely Eliseo Soriano will always in his childish act
shout out these words at the face of his spiritual opponent:
1. Kung may mabasa ako? Talo ka na? (Translation: If I can read it then will you
accept your defeat?)
2. Kung mapatunayan ko sa yo ngayon na nagsisinungaling ka sa ganito
karaming tao, tatanggapin mong manloloko ka. Tatanggapin mong manloloko
ka??! Tatanggapin mong manloloko ka??! Talo ka na!!! Talo ka na!!!
Tatanggapin mo??! (Translation: If I can show evidence that you are lying
then will you admit you are a liar in front of these many people??! Will you
accept you are a liar??! You're a loser!!! You're a loser!!! Will you admit it??!)

Is that your style bro? Malingaw man ko nimo bro!

ad hominem napud. kalooy pud intawn anha raka kutob...

[regnauld]

asa man ang preexistence sa Jer 1:4-5 bro? dili man preexistence ang nakasuwat sa Jer. 1:4-5 bro. pataka man lagi mong conclude ug verse lagi maong pirmi jud mo sipyat.

by the way, asa man ang source anang imong gi copy-paste? ayaw lagi ana bro nah makiha jud ka ug plagiarism.

Walay letra por letra nga nakasulat ug preexistence sa biblia apan mao nay gipasabot. Kasabot ka? Kasabot ka? kasabot ka? bisan ang unang christianismo nagtudlo ana: my proof? supaka na bro ang kasaysayan! desperado naka sa mga facts nako? nganong dili man ko ka paste? nga free mani sa internet! toinks suya kalang kay wala kay proof sa mga bible verses! Malingaw man ko nimo bro! Peace!

By the way bro ako source para masayod ka kay ang WIKIPEDIA ( THE FREE ENCYCLOPEDIA FOR ALL) Pag gamit sad ug WIKIPEDIA using the bible to refute this!


In Christianity, pre-existence is a minority position contrasted with the more widely held concepts of traducianism and creationism.
The earliest surviving Christian writings on the pre-existence were from Origen. Origen believed that the soul was assigned a body as a penalty for its sin of looking downward toward the corrupt earth. He also taught that Jesus Christ was actually born of the Father before the world began or before any other creatures existed.
"Jesus Christ Himself, who came, was born of the Father before all creatures; and after He had ministered to the Father in the creation of all things, for through Him all things were made" (The Fundamental Doctrines 1:0:4 [A.D. 225]).
The doctrine also derives in part from a repudiation of Greek thought by Tertullian, who argued that for each immaterial soul a material body was created.

[regnauld]

asa man ang preexistence sa Jer 1:4-5 bro? dili man preexistence ang nakasuwat sa Jer. 1:4-5 bro. pataka man lagi mong conclude ug verse lagi maong pirmi jud mo sipyat.

by the way, asa man ang source anang imong gi copy-paste? ayaw lagi ana bro nah makiha jud ka ug plagiarism.

Ikaw moy sipyat kay wala kay PROOF! Pag chur uy!!! Ako source kay tulo gyud: THE BIBLE, SCIENCE AND HISTORY! Ikaw? WALA!

Kinsa may mokiha nako ang WIKIPIDIA? Nga free encyclopedia mana! hahahahahahahahaha! Mangilad sad ka da! (NO OFFENSE)

[Tobi]

Walay letra por letra nga nakasulat ug preexistence sa biblia apan mao nay gipasabot. Kasabot ka? Kasabot ka? kasabot ka? bisan ang unang christianismo nagtudlo ana: my proof? supaka na bro ang kasaysayan! desperado naka sa mga facts nako? nganong dili man ko ka paste? nga free mani sa internet! toinks suya kalang kay wala kay proof sa mga bible verses! Malingaw man ko nimo bro! Peace!

By the way bro ako source para masayod ka kay ang WIKIPEDIA ( THE FREE ENCYCLOPEDIA FOR ALL) Pag gamit sad ug WIKIPEDIA using the bible to refute this!


In Christianity, pre-existence is a minority position contrasted with the more widely held concepts of traducianism and creationism.
The earliest surviving Christian writings on the pre-existence were from Origen. Origen believed that the soul was assigned a body as a penalty for its sin of looking downward toward the corrupt earth. He also taught that Jesus Christ was actually born of the Father before the world began or before any other creatures existed.
"Jesus Christ Himself, who came, was born of the Father before all creatures; and after He had ministered to the Father in the creation of all things, for through Him all things were made" (The Fundamental Doctrines 1:0:4 [A.D. 225]).
The doctrine also derives in part from a repudiation of Greek thought by Tertullian, who argued that for each immaterial soul a material body was created.

nganong nakaingon man ka nga preexistence ang buot ipasabot sa Jer 1:4-5? asa man ang imong ebidensya nga preexistence ang buot ipasabot ato nga verse? sa source nga imong gihatag wala may nakasuwat didtong Jer 1:4-5 bro imo imo raman na. i explain daw bro in your own words bro.

beh beh beh pakita daw sa imong ka brayt...

[regnauld]

nganong nakaingon man ka nga preexistence ang buot ipasabot sa Jer 1:4-5? asa man ang imong ebidensya nga preexistence ang buot ipasabot ato nga verse? sa source nga imong gihatag wala may nakasuwat didtong Jer 1:4-5 bro imo imo raman na. i explain daw bro in your own words bro.

beh beh beh pakita daw sa imong ka brayt...

Bro gi tubag na intawn tika nga nag suggest na ug preexistence! unya ako dayong gisundan sa maong definition ug history! dili ka man kadawat! mao na akong tubag! kasabot ka? you want proof?
Balikon nako ha unsa na ang preexistence:

Jer 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

Analyza ang pasabot diri! hina jud siguro ka no nga dili pa jud nimo makuha! common sense naman ni! Sa wala pa gi porma sa ginoo (before conception) unsa mana dili na preexistence? ka hina jud nimo bro! abi nako bright ka!

Pre-existence (also spelled preëxistence), beforelife, or pre-mortal existence refers to the belief that each individual human soul existed before conception, and at conception (or later, depending on when it is believed that the soul enters the body) one of these pre-existent souls enters, or is placed by God, in the body. This belief is held to a varying degree in Abrahamic and other religions. Alternative positions are traducianism and creationism, which both hold that the individual human soul does not come into existence until conception.

[regnauld]

gusto ka ug history sa early christainity nga nagtudlo ug preexistence?

akong balikon ha for your info kay hina jud ka!
In Christianity, pre-existence is a minority position contrasted with the more widely held concepts of traducianism and creationism.
The earliest surviving Christian writings on the pre-existence were from Origen. Origen believed that the soul was assigned a body as a penalty for its sin of looking downward toward the corrupt earth. He also taught that Jesus Christ was actually born of the Father before the world began or before any other creatures existed.
"Jesus Christ Himself, who came, was born of the Father before all creatures; and after He had ministered to the Father in the creation of all things, for through Him all things were made" (The Fundamental Doctrines 1:0:4 [A.D. 225]).
The doctrine also derives in part from a repudiation of Greek thought by Tertullian, who argued that for each immaterial soul a material body was created.

[Tobi]

Jer 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

Analyza ang pasabot diri! hina jud siguro ka no nga dili pa jud nimo makuha! common sense naman ni! Sa wala pa gi porma sa ginoo (before conception) unsa mana dili na preexistence? ka hina jud nimo bro! abi nako bright ka!

kani ra akong gi quote kay kani raman akong gikinahanglan sa imong tubag useless man tong uban.

dili mana preexistence bro. kay wala man muingon diha sa Jer 1:4-5 nga "sa wala paka maporma sa tiyan ni exist naka sa una pa". dili man ing ana ang nakasuwat bro imo imo raman nang kaugalingong interpretasyon bro.

[regnauld]

REINCARNATION IN THE NEW TESTAMENT

THE BLIND MAN

As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. His disciples asked him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?" John 9:1-2, NIV

The disciples wanted to know the reason for the man's blindness. They offered two possibilities to Jesus. Either the man was blind because of the sins of his parents or he was blind because he was reaping the fruit of his own sins (karma). If our souls do not exist prior to this birth and if the man was born blind, then when or where could he have committed the sins that caused his blindness? His soul would have existed prior to that birth and he would have been engaged in a corporeal setting with other people to commit sins against or with. In other words, the blind man had a previous life. This indicates that the pre-existence of the soul was a prevalent idea among the disciples, otherwise how could they have asked such an unusual question? Neither does Jesus ask them where they got such a strange idea. He does not marvel that they have presented him with such a foolish concept. Where did they get this idea? As we have seen in the "blind man" scripture and other scriptures, the concept of reincarnation was understood by Jesus and the disciples. They employed the concept in these discussions in a matter-of-fact way. ELIJAH'S RETURN

Elijah the prophet is believed to have lived in the ninth century B.C.E. At the point of his death a fiery chariot with horses of fire took him in a whirlwind to heaven and he was seen no more (II Kings 2:11). Four hundred years later, Malachi closed the last lines of the Old Testament with a prophecy from God stating that God would send Elijah before the "great and terrible day of the Lord" comes (Malachi 4:5). The Jewish people were expecting Elijah to return as the necessary preface to signal the coming of the Messiah.

The disciples all felt that Jesus was the Messiah but they were puzzled. Where is Elijah? The disciples asked the Master about this and he told them that Elijah had already returned as John the Baptist. The first discussion of this is in Matthew, chapter 11.

I tell you the truth: Among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been forcefully advancing, and forceful men lay hold of it. For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John. And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come. He who has ears, let him hear. Matthew 11:11-15, NIV

The disciples asked him, "Why then do the teachers of the law say that Elijah must come first?" Jesus replied, "To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things. But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands." Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist. Matthew 17:10-13, NIV

The above scripture indicates that the disciples and Jesus believed in reincarnation. John the Baptist was the reincarnation of Elijah. In an attempt to fit these scriptures into the orthodox view of one-life-only, some believe that Elijah never died as we know it because he went up in a chariot of fire, thus discounting John the Baptist as an instance of reincarnation. Their thinking is that Elijah did inhabit John the Baptist but it was not rebirth because Elijah had never died. For this "discounting" to really work, the Baptist would need to have returned in the same fiery chariot as a grown man. However, he was clearly placed in the womb of a human mother after which he had a very mortal and common birth. Jesus said he was "born of woman" and in Luke 1:13-17, an angel tells John's father, Zacharias, that John will be born to his wife Elizabeth... "And he will go before him in the spirit and power of Elijah." Others use this last line to say that John the Baptist was under the power of Elijah but was not the incarnation of Elijah. However, Jesus says in no uncertain terms that John is Elijah and not simply an ambassador of Elijah's power, "This is Elijah... He who has ears to hear let him hear" (Matthew 11:14-15). Also, Malachi does not say that Elijah will appear by proxy but that Elijah himself will return. WHO IS THE SON OF MAN?

Yet another discussion between Jesus and the disciples underscores their belief in reincarnation.

When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, "Who do people say the Son of Man is?" They replied, "Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets." "But what about you?" he asked. "Who do you say I am?" Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." Matthew 16:15-16

The flow here seems to be that if a prophet were to appear he must be the incarnation of one of the prophets from the past and so Jesus is asking the disciples who the people think has incarnated as Jesus. The idea of the reincarnation of the prophets is taken for granted and the sole point of the question is to find out who the multitudes believe him to be. These scriptures indicate that, at least to Jesus and the disciples, the concept of reincarnation was common fare. Herod also heard that others were saying one of the prophets of long ago had reincarnated. This again indicates that such a belief in reincarnation was common at that time.

Now Herod the tetrarch heard about all that was going on. And he was perplexed, because some were saying that John had been raised from the dead, others that Elijah had appeared, and still others that one of the prophets of long ago had come back to life. Luke 9:7-8, NIV KINI BRO TUTULI NI LAIN NA POD ARI TA SA NEW TESTAMENT!

[regnauld]

kani ra akong gi quote kay kani raman akong gikinahanglan sa imong tubag useless man tong uban.

dili mana preexistence bro. kay wala man muingon diha sa Jer 1:4-5 nga "sa wala paka maporma sa tiyan ni exist naka sa una pa". dili man ing ana ang nakasuwat bro imo imo raman nang kaugalingong interpretasyon bro.

Sayop ka bro! wala kay proof nga ikapakita ug wala ka ka refute. unya dili pa jud na akong interperetation. Sa early christianity na nga teaching! pildi ka!

[regnauld]

reincarnation in the new testament

the blind man

as he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. His disciples asked him, "rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?" john 9:1-2, niv

the disciples wanted to know the reason for the man's blindness. They offered two possibilities to jesus. Either the man was blind because of the sins of his parents or he was blind because he was reaping the fruit of his own sins (karma). If our souls do not exist prior to this birth and if the man was born blind, then when or where could he have committed the sins that caused his blindness? His soul would have existed prior to that birth and he would have been engaged in a corporeal setting with other people to commit sins against or with. In other words, the blind man had a previous life. This indicates that the pre-existence of the soul was a prevalent idea among the disciples, otherwise how could they have asked such an unusual question? Neither does jesus ask them where they got such a strange idea. He does not marvel that they have presented him with such a foolish concept. Where did they get this idea? As we have seen in the "blind man" scripture and other scriptures, the concept of reincarnation was understood by jesus and the disciples. They employed the concept in these discussions in a matter-of-fact way. elijah's return

elijah the prophet is believed to have lived in the ninth century b.c.e. At the point of his death a fiery chariot with horses of fire took him in a whirlwind to heaven and he was seen no more (ii kings 2:11). Four hundred years later, malachi closed the last lines of the old testament with a prophecy from god stating that god would send elijah before the "great and terrible day of the lord" comes (malachi 4:5). The jewish people were expecting elijah to return as the necessary preface to signal the coming of the messiah.

The disciples all felt that jesus was the messiah but they were puzzled. Where is elijah? The disciples asked the master about this and he told them that elijah had already returned as john the baptist. The first discussion of this is in matthew, chapter 11.

i tell you the truth: Among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than john the baptist; yet he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. From the days of john the baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been forcefully advancing, and forceful men lay hold of it. For all the prophets and the law prophesied until john. And if you are willing to accept it, he is the elijah who was to come. He who has ears, let him hear. Matthew 11:11-15, niv

the disciples asked him, "why then do the teachers of the law say that elijah must come first?" jesus replied, "to be sure, elijah comes and will restore all things. But i tell you, elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the son of man is going to suffer at their hands." then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about john the baptist. Matthew 17:10-13, niv

the above scripture indicates that the disciples and jesus believed in reincarnation. John the baptist was the reincarnation of elijah. In an attempt to fit these scriptures into the orthodox view of one-life-only, some believe that elijah never died as we know it because he went up in a chariot of fire, thus discounting john the baptist as an instance of reincarnation. Their thinking is that elijah did inhabit john the baptist but it was not rebirth because elijah had never died. For this "discounting" to really work, the baptist would need to have returned in the same fiery chariot as a grown man. However, he was clearly placed in the womb of a human mother after which he had a very mortal and common birth. Jesus said he was "born of woman" and in luke 1:13-17, an angel tells john's father, zacharias, that john will be born to his wife elizabeth... "and he will go before him in the spirit and power of elijah." others use this last line to say that john the baptist was under the power of elijah but was not the incarnation of elijah. However, jesus says in no uncertain terms that john is elijah and not simply an ambassador of elijah's power, "this is elijah... He who has ears to hear let him hear" (matthew 11:14-15). Also, malachi does not say that elijah will appear by proxy but that elijah himself will return. who is the son of man?

yet another discussion between jesus and the disciples underscores their belief in reincarnation.

when jesus came to the region of caesarea philippi, he asked his disciples, "who do people say the son of man is?" they replied, "some say john the baptist; others say elijah; and still others, jeremiah or one of the prophets." "but what about you?" he asked. "who do you say i am?" simon peter answered, "you are the christ, the son of the living god." matthew 16:15-16

the flow here seems to be that if a prophet were to appear he must be the incarnation of one of the prophets from the past and so jesus is asking the disciples who the people think has incarnated as jesus. The idea of the reincarnation of the prophets is taken for granted and the sole point of the question is to find out who the multitudes believe him to be. These scriptures indicate that, at least to jesus and the disciples, the concept of reincarnation was common fare. Herod also heard that others were saying one of the prophets of long ago had reincarnated. This again indicates that such a belief in reincarnation was common at that time.

now herod the tetrarch heard about all that was going on. And he was perplexed, because some were saying that john had been raised from the dead, others that elijah had appeared, and still others that one of the prophets of long ago had come back to life. Luke 9:7-8, niv kini bro tutuli ni lain na pod ari ta sa new testament!

anhi nasad ta sa new testament bro! Tutuli ni!