Everything about : RH Bill ( Reproductive Health Bill)

[Luskan]

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You know what bad governance is, right? Does the ZTE scam ring a bell? What about the fertilizer scam? Or that extremely overpriced road going nowhere? Cheating in elections? The list goes on and on. Do you think these things did not happen?

But non of those claims were proven except cheating, and it has nothing to do in making us poor or producing mass quantity babies.

[mannyamador]

But non of those claims were proven except cheating...

The massive cheating involved malversation of funds. That has a lot to do with making denying social services and keeps people poor. And while the ZTE scandal didn't get to court for political reasons, Abalos had to quit, which indicates that it wasn't just nothing. These are examples of bad governance (there are many more) and they affect the poverty situation far more than some discredited myths about "overpopulation".

@cottonmouth

You haven't the faintest idea what INDISCRIMINATE debt servicing is. It means paying off ALL debts, even if they were illegally or anomalously incurred. The Freedom from Debt Coalition provides updated reports on these. Read those before you imagine that we don't have anomalous debts.

And you think the Bataan Nuclear Plant was safe and ready to go? Boy, have you got your marbles misplaced!

The Bataan Nuclear Power Plant
http://www10.antenna.nl/wise/index.h...-500/4935.html

After the 1979 Three Mile Island accident in the US, the BNPP construction was immediately stopped. An inquiry on the plant's safety revealed 4,000 defects. "...Mr. Marcos and his nuclear advisers may well be long remembered for having put up the most expensive and dangerous nuclear power plant in the world, thereby saddling present and future generations of Filipinos with enormous foreign loans...," according to former Senator Lorenzo Tanada, on August 6, 1983.

Today, the Bataan Nuclear Power Plant stands as a monument to man's folly, to pride and refusal to admit a mistake--a grim memorial of the betrayal of the Filipino people.

A plant with 4,000 defects is safe? Maybe you ought to hang out with nutty Imelda so you can admire your idol with her. By the way, don't forget to tell her to pay the nearly 10,000 human rights victims she and her husband were CONVICTED of harming.


@Solidus

Even if this bill never existed, the fact that he is a health care provider, it is also part of his duty to recognize and respect the patient's rights. That's why he should refer that person to another health care provider.

That is NOT his duty. Birth control is generally NOT an emergency procedure. Distribution of abortifacient contraceptives for birth control has NEVER been a mandatory duty of health providers. No doctor has to provide abortifacients for birth control. That is a NEW requirement of this stupid anti-life Bill. So FORCING a health provider to make such a referral is COERCIVE and does not recognize anyone's rights.

It is quite clear that the proponents of this Bill are turning a blind eye to the facts and making all sorts of excuses for the human rights violations that will be carried out if this Bill passes. Open your eyes. Don't be misinformed by myths and Lagman's trapo propaganda.

The Bill promotes ABORTIFACIENTS. These murder unborn children. You don't need religion to recognize that. Even atheists can be against this Bill (one such atheist even works with Pro-Life Philippines).

[Dorothea]

Actually, MOST contraceptive methods do NOT prevent the union of sperm and egg cell. Only barrier methods like condoms do. Most of the other methods do not.

The Pill, injectables, patch, mini-pill, "emergency contraceptives", and the IUD do not stop the sperm from uniting with an egg if it is present. These methods are supposed to prevent ovulation, but a lot of the time, they don't. Many times there is conception.

So what happens then is that these contraceptives then make it very difficult for the fertilized egg to implant in the uterus. With nowhere to implant, the fertilized egg (which is already a human being) is eventually destroyed. That is an EARLY CHEMICAL ABORTION. That is why these types of contraceptives are called ABORTIFACIENTS.

So while some contraceptives do NOT directly cause abortion (like the condom), most other types of artificial contraceptives (like the pill, mini-pill, Depo-Provera, Norplant, "emergency contraceptives", and the IUD) DO cause abortions.

And this anti-life Bill promotes the use of such abortifacients.

Your first statement is a little bit erroneous, and here's why. Pills 101 -- ESTROGENS suppress production of FSH and stabilize the endometrial lining, PROGESTINS inhibit ovulation by suppressing the LH surge and make cervical mucus impermeable. So, therefore, kay gi inhibit man ang ovulation, so syempre na prevent ang "meeting" sa egg and sperm. And because of the changes in cervical mucus, it increases the difficulty of sperm entry. So yes, the PILL DOES prevent the "meeting" of egg and sperm. I hope that was clear.

Kanang imong giingon pud nga "many times there is conception" with the use of pills, dili pud na sakto. Pills are highly effective WHEN USED PROPERLY. In fact, 99.9% effective. Pero ang key phrase dire is: When Used Properly. Kung ang mga babae dili mag danghag ug magtarong ug gamit sa pills, they are NOT abortifacient. Their mechanism of action is inhibition of ovulation. Dinha nalang dayon magka palpak palpak tungod sa mga tawo nga danghag. Abi nila magtumar ug pills mura ra magkaon ug candy. And that is why ONE should never, ever take pills without the guidance and the expertise of a doctor. Dili magpataka moadto botika ug palit pills by yourself. Therapeutic failure with pills almost always happens with patient non-compliance and patient ignorance. My friend's sister got pregnant even while she was taking pills. She was suprised and concluded that the pills simply weren't effective. When my friend questioned her further, it was found out that she was also taking ANTIBIOTICS for another illness, while taking the pill at the same time. And there lies the answer to the mystery. The doctor who wrote that prescription for the antibiotic should have asked her if she was on the pill, and should have told her that antibiotics DECREASE the effectiveness of pills, to the point that it can result to a pregnancy. Likewise, the pharmacist should have informed the patient about that well-documented drug interaction and counseled her to use a back-up method of contraception during and immediately after the course of that antibiotic treatment. And the PATIENT should have READ the patient information and the product package insert that goes with every prescription dispensed.

So see? The poor pill gets the flack...luoy intawon. Don't blame the pill when it fails to work, blame the people nga nagdanghag lang.

And again, when you use the pill properly, it will work as it is supposed to work. And the issue of it being an abortifacient will never even come into discussion.

Moral lesson of the story: Dili magdanghag.

[mannyamador]

So, therefore, kay gi inhibit man ang ovulation, so syempre na prevent ang "meeting" sa egg and sperm. And because of the changes in cervical mucus, it increases the difficulty of sperm entry. So yes, the PILL DOES prevent the "meeting" of egg and sperm. I hope that was clear.

That too is erroneous. The Pill FAILS to prevent union of sperm and egg much of the time. The contraceptive function of the method is not absolute, and the sperm and egg DO often unite despite the use of such.

Pills are highly effective WHEN USED PROPERLY. In fact, 99.9% effective. Pero ang key phrase dire is: When Used Properly.

That figure INCLUDES it's ABORTIFACIENT function. Pills, depending on the formulation, fail to suppress ovulation between 40% to under 10% of the time. The resulting conceptions are eventually destroyed through the abortifacient function of these methods.

And again, when you use the pill properly, it will work as it is supposed to work. And the issue of it being an abortifacient will never even come into discussion.

The evidence says otherwise. No matter hpw perfectly you use the Pill, it will fail to prevent ovulation some of the time. If one has *** at that time, there may be conception. In those cases (estimated by some to be about once in every 88 menstrual cycles), the ABORTIFACIENT functions comes into play.

So if you have enough women using it, even perfecrly, the abortifacient function DOES occur and there will be abortions.

[r3roble]

it is because "families with something", as mentioned, has better access to information and education on importance of family planning and its components (reproductive health and so on)... bai, have u ever been to remote rural areas, nga walay access to this kind of information pangutan-a sila kung kabalo ba sila anang family planning and its components, wala jud silay alamag... awa, tubagon ra kag "wala man gud laing lingaw!"... they need to be educated... some parents don't even know what their responsibilities are!!!

we need this... we really need this...
3. Family planning information end services;
8. Education and counseling on sexuality and sexual and reproductive health;
a. Responsible Parenthood

naa gud koy tawo, nga mosulti "sus boss, kung kabalo pa lang ko ana, dili na unta ko patuga-tugag panganak og daghan, luoy tawon ako mga anak pugos undang skwela, saon man di man jud mada!!!"

yes.. i have been to remote areas...

that's why nursing students conducts health teachings to remote areas...
in your statement it clearly shows that what they lack is education and responsibility and i definitely agree with you... this bill covers a lot and not only education and responsibility, something that would not result to what we wanted it to be... if this bill would only for education and responsibility, then I would go for it..

but clearly it's not... so for me, we don't need this... we just need to educate them and teach them responsibility...

[mannyamador]

REPRO HEALTH BILL A WASTE OF RESOURCES -- THINK TANK
from AFP, with Pat C. Santos
10/03/2008

The Reproductive Health bill which seeks to impose population control in the country is a waste of valuable resources that would be better utilized for the education and infrastructure sectors, a conservative think-tank yesterday said.

Economists at Manila-based University of Asia and the Pacific (UA&P) said the proposed law comes at a time when countries that adopted similar policies in the 1970s are reversing them as they start to worry about supporting their aging populations.

UA&P chief economist Bernardo Villegas said controlling the population would be "demographic suicide," and would put the blame for widespread Philippine poverty with "people who are not yet even born."

According to its principal author, Albay province Rep. Edcel Lagman, the bill is about 12 votes shy of being approved at the House of Representatives.

It, however, lacks the support of President Arroyo, a devout Roman Catholic who could theoretically veto it even if passed by the House and the Senate.

Lagman said a dozen previous population bills over the past generation had been defeated.

The dominant Catholic Church has threatened to excommunicate legislators who will vote for the bill.

Under the proposed law the state would have to fund a population program, teach it at schools and to couples intending to marry and have government hospitals offer contraceptives, vasectomies and tubal ligations, an operation that blocks the fallopian tubes.

It would also require the state to "encourage two children as the ideal family size."

The Philippines has among the highest birth rates in Asia, with the population growing at around two percent annually and expected to top 100 million in five years.

Villegas told reporters solving poverty that binds a third of the population required improving the quality of basic education, curbing corruption and devoting state resources to developing the countryside, where the largest concentrations of poor live.

"The greatest impact of your peso is in educating women," Roberto de Vera, another economist at UA&P, said.

Villegas said international studies showed the growth of per capita income was related to school enrollment rates rather than population control.

"Countries with higher human capital also have lower fertility rates," he added.

Contrary to popular convention, he said the fertility rate of Filipino women had fallen from six children in 1975 to fewer than three.

Even without state intervention, the Philippine population would peak at 111 million in 2025, with a maximum population density of just 370 persons per square kilometer, he added.

Meantime, another member of the lower House has advised the Catholic Church to determine the position of each and all members of Congress on the Reproductive Health bill for the public to obtain a clear picture of
its standing in the Legislative.

During a recent media discussion organized by Church-based media organizations, a Teacher party-list Rep. Mariano Piamonte said other lawmakers should be willing to make public their stand on the controversial measure to be able to know how the contentious measure will do in Congress.

Piamonte said congressmen who have been expressing their resistance to the bill should formalize what they have been saying before the media by signing a manifesto expressing such.

"Having a manifesto is one strategy... The bishops should determine where those who have yet to sign (such manifesto) and have merely been airing their commitment to reject the measure verbally are really leaning on. The bishops should obtain their commitment to whatever stand they have on it," he said.

The proposal was welcomed by the Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines (CBCP), saying a manifesto could make clear what position on the issue each member of Congress is really taking.

"....(T)his is the best time (for it) because through that (manifesto) the 'demarcation line' between the 'pros' and the 'antis' in Congress would be made clear. Rep. Piamonte^Rs idea is good...I like the idea," CBCP spokesman, Msgr. Pedro Quitorio said.

Quitorio said he will raise the proposal to the CBCP-Episcopal Commission on Family and Life, which has been at the forefront of the Church's advocacy against the bill that it labels as "anti-life."

He stressed that the position of the Church on the issue is "absolute and is not open to any compromise."

House Bill 5043 is currently being debated at the House's plenary.

[Dorothea]

What I find most erroneous mannyamador, is your disinhibited use of such phrases as, "much of the time" or "sperm and egg DO often unite"...really? much of the time? often? Murag ikaw ikaw ra man naghimo sa imong statistics. LOL

OCs have INHIBITION of OVULATION as their main mechanism of action. You can look for info anywhere, and that is what you will learn. Although they prevent fertilization and implantation, the work they perform is INHIBITION of OVULATION, provided that people use them as they are supposed to be used. Dili na na sala sa pills oi kung ang mga tawo nag danghag lang. Pareho ra gud na sa rugby nga ang purpose gyud is to make things stick together, pero ang mga tawo mga taytok simhot simhoton man gyud. Dili na na sala sa rugby.

And that is why reklamo ko anang imong gisulti bahin anang failure sa pills kay dili man na failure sa pill, failure na sa mga tawo. Mao bitaw magsugod ka ug take ana Sunday after your period to make sure its safe, ug mao bitaw na mo take ka adlaw2x to PREVENT OVULATION. Gi unsa man na nimo pag come up anang imong reasoning nga most of the time, dili inhibition of ovulation ang effect kundi abortion? How do you even come up with a number? Do you pry a woman's uterus open to prove without a doubt that contraception was achieved through abortion, and not inhibition of ovulation? The makers of these pills have done hundreds and hundreds of studies even before these drugs hit the market, and when they say that the PRIMARY mechanism of action is INHIBITION OF OVULATION, I believe them. And how do you even know that the 99.9% effectivity rate is not all due to inhibition of ovulation? How do you know categorically without a doubt that there was even any abortion involved? No, you don't know.

Kani nga statement nimo oh, basaha ni ug balik: "Actually, MOST contraceptive methods do NOT prevent the union of sperm and egg cells. Only barrier methods like condoms do. Most of the other methods do not."

Really? Only barrier methods like condoms PREVENT the union of sperm and egg? Really? LOL Balika ra gud basa nang imong statement kay klaro kaayo nga sayop.

Now, I am not a spokesperson for oral contraceptive companies, but when you go on the offensive like that, get your facts straight. And don't use stuff like, "much of the time", "often", 'do not prevent", kay ang resulta mura'g ikaw ra nag himo himo sa imong own scientific study. LOL

[mannyamador]

What I find most erroneous mannyamador, is your disinhibited use of such phrases as, "much of the time" or "sperm and egg DO often unite"...really?

Yes, really. See below.

About the Pill
http://www.ccli.org/nfp/contraception/pill.php

Is ovulation always suppressed?

No. Ovulation occurs in 2% to 10% of cycles of women taking the Pill.[7,8,9,10,11,12,13] If 60 million women worldwide are on the low-dose Pill, there would be 1.2 to 6 million ovulations per cycle. This is known as breakthrough ovulation, and it is even more frequent with the progestin-only Pill.[14,15]

Now when a woman engages in *** when she has breakthrough ovulation, she may conceive (though not always, of course).

Yet, how do you account for the very large difference between such high breakthrough ovulation rates and the very low breakthrough pregnancy rate? Quite obviously then, some other function is at work here. The ABORTIFACIENT function of the Pill is OPERATIVE.

How often does this occur? J. Kippley also estimated that the Combined Pill causes one early chemical abortion for every 88 menstrual cycles of a woman who continually uses it (Kippley, J., "The Pill and Early Abortion", All About Issues, 8, Aug-Sept 1989, pp22-23). Patrick McCrystal of Pharmacists for Life International. estimates that this translates to 1.4 million pill-induced abortions in the US in 1989, given around 10 million users. There are, of course, far more users today.

Get the facts straight indeed.

[Dorothea]

Get your facts straight oi. Kani akong gipasabot oh, kanang imong statement that: only barrier methods like condoms PREVENT the union of sperm and egg. Balik balika na ug basa. Tan-awa kung sakto ba na. As I've said, Get Your Facts Straight.

Gi unsa man na pag gauge nang breakthrough ovulation? Unsay gigamit nga method to determine that there was, indeed, breakthrough ovulation in even a single case? Nganong wala man statistic ang secondary mechanism of pills, of facilitating changes in cervical mucus, thereby increasing difficulty of sperm entry? Asa man ang statistics ana?

Kanang gihatag hatag nimo nga link, unsa ma'y naka FACT ana nga ang gigamit nga word, ESTIMATE. Hala, padayon ug ESTIMATE2x diha. That is not fact, nowhere near it.

Nganong gusto man nimo ipa-ban ang pag gamit sa pills? Just because there is a small possibility of it being an abortifacient? That's just like saying that we need to ban nuclear power just because there's a chance of it being used for an unethical purpose. If the PILL works SOLELY as an abortifacient, then maybe your view has merit. But it does not work that way. And besides, the PILL has other uses, and prescribed to so many women for purposes other than contraception. Are you implying that they need to stop taking their meds because the PILL is a "killer"? What should these poor women do?

Tambagi na si J. Kippley ug si Patrick McCrystal nga dili mag estimate2x, ingna nga kinahanglan mag sure sila oi, dili nang puro estimate. Mura naman ni ug propaganda. LOL

Ang again, likayi na nang pag gamit ug words nga "often", "much"...kay ang resulta mahimo kang kataw-anan. First statement pa lang nimo, sayop na. And you don't even have good enough sense to notice nga nasayop diay ka. LOL

[johnny22aa]

fyi dorothea. di na kasabot ug bisaya c mannyamador. dats y its useless to talk to him. sagdi na lng tawn na cya.