Everything about : RH Bill ( Reproductive Health Bill)

[batigol192002]

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As per the news, some religious organizations are supporting the Reproductive Health bill. This would mean the Catholic Church might be alone in its stand that it is against the teachings of the scriptures to adhere to modern family planning. After all, other organizations have a different view in it.

Let the government do what it can do to resolve the concern on over population. Such is through legislation. If, on the other hand, some organization would think it is not morally correct, they can reprimand their members to do so. I think that would be just and proper, considering the circumstances.

- Agree. di gud angay mang hilabot ang simbahan kung unsay affair sa state/gov. same thing sa state dili sad manghilabot sa church. If we allow that, nangita ra ta ug samok, unsa na man nya ang mahitabo sa pinas?

Btw- I'm Born, Raised, Educated as Catholic. Pure Catholic gud ko.

[minor.me]

I'm a third year high school student at a known Catholic school here in Dumaguete City. Last Thursday afternoon, there was a prayer rally held to protest against the bill at the city park. Our school was one of those invited to participate in the event. And since nuns run the school, we were obviously obliged to go.

Midway during the program, I found myself bored at listening to all those 'statements' and 'speeches' and went up to my adviser to ask what time the program would end. Suddenly, another teacher of mine, Mr. Arturo Macias, spoke and said:

"Your rights end when the rights of others begin..."

Baffled and confused at what he said, he explained further:

"...Let's say you want to scream out loud because it is your right to express yourself; but in a distance, a baby is sound asleep and it is also the baby's right to have some peace and quiet. So, your right of 'expression' becomes 'invalid'


...Think about it...!

[Solidus]

Ngano ang uban one sided man kaayo dinhi sige man sulti nga this bill is pro-abortion. Nibasa mo sa House Bill No. 5043 (link was given by TS) before posting? This is not only about contraceptives and family planning. Besides, family planning is not just limited to contraceptives. Kung dili ganahan ang couple ug contraceptives, there are natural family planning methods like the calendar, symptothermal, basal body temp., and lactational amenorrhea methods to name a few. This bill is about reproductive health and promotion of responsible parenthood.

SEC. 3.
m. While nothing in this Act changes the law on abortion, as abortion remains a crime and is punishable

SEC. 9. Hospital-Based Family Planning. -Tubal ligation, vasectomy, intrauterine device insertion and other family planning methods requiring hospital services shall be available in all national and local government hospitals, except: in specialty hospitals which may render such services on an optional basis.

SEC. 16. Ideal Family Size. - The State shall assist couples, parents and individuals to achieve their desired family size within the context of responsible parenthood for sustainable development and encourage them to have two children as the ideal family size. Attaining the ideal family size is neither mandatory nor compulsory. No punitive action shall be imposed on parents having more than two children.

Imagine a doctor or health worker being sentenced to a prison term simply because he or she refused to prescribe — or refer someone who would prescribe — an abortifacient “contraceptive”. Imagine being fined and jailed for staying true to your pro-life convictions. Could that ever happen in the Philippines?

SEC. 21. Prohibited Acts. - The following acts are prohibited:

a) Any health care service provider, whether public or private, who shall:

5. Refuse to extend reproductive health care services and information on account of the patient’s civil status, gender or sexual orientation, age, religion, personal circumstances, and nature of work; Provided, That all conscientious objections of health care service providers based on religious grounds shall be respected.

Di man ni pinugsanay, mao gani "informed choice". Informed choice is effective access to information on reproductive choices and to the necessary counseling, services and supplies to help individuals choose and use an appropriate method of family planning, if desired.

[mannyamador]

Define indiscriminate debt servicing and extreme bad governance in your own words

You know what bad governance is, right? Does the ZTE scam ring a bell? What about the fertilizer scam? Or that extremely overpriced road going nowhere? Cheating in elections? The list goes on and on. Do you think these things did not happen?

An example of indiscriminate debt servicing, on the other hand, is the current law that mandates a certain amount MUST automatically go to debt servicing, whether we can afford it or not. Another example is repaying dubious debts, like those incurred for medical incinerators that don't work as claimed. There are also debts incurred with large kickbacks too: we pay while some corrupt officials pocket a lot of money. One glaring example is the Bataan Nuclear Power Plant. It hasn't produced a single watt of electricity for public use, but we are still paying millions for it. Somebody made a ton of money on that scam too.

@Solidus

Please read the next sentence in the Bill, right after the one you highlighted. See below:

5. Refuse to extend reproductive health care services and information on account of the patient’s civil status, gender or sexual orientation, age, religion, personal circumstances, and nature of work; Provided, That all conscientious objections of health care service providers based on religious grounds shall be respected: Provided, further, That the conscientious objector shall immediately refer the person seeking such care and services to another health care service provider within the same facility or one which is conveniently accessible:...

If a conscientious objector refuses to perform the act, he/she is still FORCED to refer the one requesting for the act to someone who will do it. it amounts to practically the same thing. What kind of "respect" for conscientious objectors is that? That is COERCION. No "respect" at all.

The Bill also FORCES these people to dispense (or refer to someone who will dispense) ABORTIFACIENT CONTRACEPTIVES. It does not matter that some other contraceptives are not abortifacients. The fact remains that abortifacients are to be distributed and promoted, and through coercion pa! So the Bill IS still about abortion too (among other things) because it ALSO promotes abortifacient contraceptives.

[Solidus]

Please read the next sentence in the Bill, right after the one you highlighted. See below:

5. Refuse to extend reproductive health care services and information on account of the patient’s civil status, gender or sexual orientation, age, religion, personal circumstances, and nature of work; Provided, That all conscientious objections of health care service providers based on religious grounds shall be respected: Provided, further, That the conscientious objector shall immediately refer the person seeking such care and services to another health care service provider within the same facility or one which is conveniently accessible:...

Provided, finally, That the patient is not in an emergency or serious case as defined in RA 8344 penalizing the refusal of hospitals and medical clinics to administer appropriate initial medical treatment and support in emergency and serious cases.

The Bill also FORCES these people to dispense (or refer to someone who will dispense) ABORTIFACIENT CONTRACEPTIVES. It does not matter that some other contraceptives are not abortifacients. The fact remains that abortifacients are to be distributed and promoted, and through coercion pa! So the Bill IS still about abortion too (among other things) because it ALSO promotes abortifacient contraceptives.

Even if this bill never existed, the fact that he is a health care provider, it is also part of his duty to recognize and respect the patient's rights. That's why he should refer that person to another health care provider.

As stated in the Filipino Patients Bill of Rights:

7. The patient has the right that within its capacity, a hospital must make reasonable response to the request of patient for services.

10. The patient has the right to expect reasonable continuity of care -> The right when care is requested, to receive services provided by the health department. When services are not available at the health department, the patient and his or her family will be informed about the availability of specialized services at another center/clinic/hospital.

...and you're always talking about abortifacients as if it's the ONLY choice. That's what this bill is about to educate individuals, families, and communities that there are options and they have the right to choose, refuse, and be informed of the effectiveness, advantages, and consequences of these methods.

[batigol192002]

You know what bad governance is, right? Does the ZTE scam ring a bell? What about the fertilizer scam? Or that extremely overpriced road going nowhere? Cheating in elections? The list goes on and on. Do you think these things did not happen?

An example of indiscriminate debt servicing, on the other hand, is the current law that mandates a certain amount MUST automatically go to debt servicing, whether we can afford it or not. Another example is repaying dubious debts, like those incurred for medical incinerators that don't work as claimed. There are also debts incurred with large kickbacks too: we pay while some corrupt officials pocket a lot of money. One glaring example is the Bataan Nuclear Power Plant. It hasn't produced a single watt of electricity for public use, but we are still paying millions for it. Somebody made a ton of money on that scam too.

- Diba naa man toy sobre nadawat ang mga obispo gikan sa malacañang?
- Anti gambling kono pero manawat ug donation gikan sa PAGCOR.
- I wonder kung ang corruption apil ba na's teaching sa simbahan?
- Remember Martin Luther, He was a German Catholic priest, trying to reform the church from greed and corruption, pero unsay gibuhat sa higher authority?

- Bataan Nuclear Power Plant - unsaon nga gipasara man. Kay matod pa, project lagi ni MARCOS. Mao na we pay for nothing.

- Again, dili nato angay nga ipamugos/influence ang atong faith sa state/gov. What if ang mga Muslim, other christians mao sad na ilang buhaton. Kitang mga katoliko maka-ingon lang ta ani kay majority man. Remember Germany, katonga sa ilang population ang nangamatay tungod sa religious war(between catholic & protestant). Gusto mo mahitabo na sa pinas?

- Mao na ang Singapore, US, France, Germany even Spain wla gud nay tingog ang simbahan when comes to state/gov na. Pero tan-awa ninyo ang Mexico, pareho ra sa pilipinas.

- Diri sa US, Kita bakag Madre, Pari ug Obispo mag protesta, mag demonized sa ilang mga leader tungod kay naa silang gibuhat nga against sa church teaching. Why we filipinos dili man sad makabuhat ana? Sa akong simbahan(Catholic), moingon ra ang pari nga "Vote for the person that you believe who can lead us", not because he is Pro-life or a Pro-Choice. see the diff?

- Ang church kasabot ba na sila ug separation of Church and State?
- Again ang atong mga leader halos mga Catholic, worse Catholic educated.

[keboks_x]

ug practical lng nga tubag aw sugot oi...

[Solidus]

brader, YOU are d only one hu fantasizes and keeps on dreaming about the economic ek ek of this bill. yes, there is an economic issue here. but this is NOT their main agenda. it's like a sidekick of the star of the show. and i dont know again y u keep on dreaming more about the title. my god, the title itself, reproductive health and POPULATION DEV'T. there u see the word, reproductive? and population dev't could also mean human dev't in good numbers? so, in short, this is a health issue & the economic matter of this bill is the nowhere to be found in the title itself. how much more in the contents. section ek ek, paragraph choo choo. again, brader. dream on. keep on dreaming.

again, this is a reproductive health matter. overpopulation is reality and is really happening. it just happens that our country is really overpopulated and overpopulated. and is overpopulated. and is really overpopulated. and is overpopulated. and many of us saw the significance on how this bill could be a great ally to curb overpopulation itself. brader, its not only overpopulation that is going to be addressed by this bill. it is also the people's right to know about safe and proper reproductive health. that's why, this is where the significance of series of formal education takes place. and this should begin by the time people are still young (school years, adolescent years). also, this is where the economic significance of this bill stands. few numbers, people are knowledgeable, ergo, a better citizenry. and im pretty sure brader, u don't want our people to be educated because you just want them to be ignoramus magnamus datum bolum prapra, and in short. u just want 'em to be just like YOU. (same thing w/ wat the church is doing). so again brader, d economic significance of this bill is just an effect of the bigger picture, which is a safe reproductive health. so, i can easily stand out and say THE MAIN REASON FOR THE CREATION OF THIS BILL IS HEALTH, NOT ECONOMICS. this bill could only be economics IN YOUR DREAMS.

again, about corruption, war, economics, debt relief, pork barrel, blah blah. check these things on another thread, NOT here. better on another website.

I totally agree with you.

[cottonmouth]

You know what bad governance is, right? Does the ZTE scam ring a bell? What about the fertilizer scam? Or that extremely overpriced road going nowhere? Cheating in elections? The list goes on and on. Do you think these things did not happen?

An example of indiscriminate debt servicing, on the other hand, is the current law that mandates a certain amount MUST automatically go to debt servicing, whether we can afford it or not. Another example is repaying dubious debts, like those incurred for medical incinerators that don't work as claimed. There are also debts incurred with large kickbacks too: we pay while some corrupt officials pocket a lot of money. One glaring example is the Bataan Nuclear Power Plant. It hasn't produced a single watt of electricity for public use, but we are still paying millions for it. Somebody made a ton of money on that scam too.

Just as I expected, you don't know what you are talking about. Well, anyway I would not disagree with you on the bad governance but because you made a very poor example I can't agree with you either. Say, ZTE was probably overpriced as lawmakers argued but they are lawmakers and most of them don't know about technology. To say it is a scam, that is putting the cart ahead of the horse...no decision is made by the court yet. For you to judged it as a scam is even more ridiculous because I am sure you don't even know what had transpired in the agreement between two executives of two countries. It only becomes a scam when somebody scream because he didn't won the bidding.

C5 issue, oh common. There is nothing wrong with it if we based it on the rules. The senate (as a whole) approved it. So Lacson claiming that it was bogus was smelling his own fart. Cant you smell the fish?

Debt Servicing, man you are clearly out of your league. Let me tell you this, managing a country is like managing a business. I work in a trading company and the principle, although not as complicated, but still is the same as running a country (in the business side of it). You need capital in order to start your business. Some capital you can afford out of your pocket but some you need to make a loan. In a developing country like the Philippines we need a lot of fixed capital in order to get our business gears running. Fixed capitals like roads, bridges, airports, powerplants, ports, etc. is just beyond our capacity for now. That is why we need to make a loan from ADB or other banks. So it follows that "ang utang ay dapat bayaran". If you have business background you will understand that investments have ROI's and most of the time ROI takes years. That is why a sitting government who borrowed the money will not necessarily see the ROI of the investment it has ventured. Roads, ports, bridges are just few examples of necessary fixed capital that any government shall invest to promote growth but the ROI of these investment, I don't have any idea how long.

Unfortunately, not all investments succeed probably because of many complicated reasons. Such was the case of the Bataan Nuclear Plant. I knew somebody who was supposed to work in that plant and was trained in US for the operation. He said that the plant was already fully operational and it is only a push of a button by Marcos to start the plant. However, Marcos decided to delay the opening for some personal reason but unfortunately he was kick out before he can start the plant. If that plant has started there is no way of stopping it anymore and we could have known whether it is boon or bane. The next government allegedly knew that the plant can be a good legacy of Marcos so the they (by their greed) decided not to operate it for the sake of blaming the failure to Marcos. That plant is not a failure because it was studied carefully but the competent engineers of the Philippines and GE...so you and me have no right to say that it was a bad investment..CLEAR?

Unfortunately, for us because of the stupidity of the Aquino government and the politicians sorrounding her, that plant didn't give us the ROI that we deserved. But Loans are Loans and you need to pay it, that is why we are still burdened to pay it with nothing in return.

Man, this is OT but this is just to show how narrow minded opponents of the bill are. Don't be blinded by faith, look beyond reasons. The bill is the start of something that is the reason why the lawmakers have to debate it and change something or add something if necessary to make the bill better. Karon kamo nga mga anti, you don't give the bill a chance to be deliberated by the congress or senate...puro ra mo supak wa sad moy ika-suggest nga alternative other than blame game...which sometimes is out or your league, like you @mannyamador. Pitty.

[long4short]

for me, being "responsible" can solve overpopulation, and not this bill...

take for instance those families with something, they tend to have fewer children..
why can't others do this?

it is because "families with something", as mentioned, has better access to information and education on importance of family planning and its components (reproductive health and so on)... bai, have u ever been to remote rural areas, nga walay access to this kind of information pangutan-a sila kung kabalo ba sila anang family planning and its components, wala jud silay alamag... awa, tubagon ra kag "wala man gud laing lingaw!"... they need to be educated... some parents don't even know what their responsibilities are!!!

we need this... we really need this...
3. Family planning information end services;
8. Education and counseling on sexuality and sexual and reproductive health;
a. Responsible Parenthood

naa gud koy tawo, nga mosulti "sus boss, kung kabalo pa lang ko ana, dili na unta ko patuga-tugag panganak og daghan, luoy tawon ako mga anak pugos undang skwela, saon man di man jud mada!!!"