Everything about : RH Bill ( Reproductive Health Bill)

[jayr168]

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mu barato ang redhorse ani?

[peewee_toot]

^^lahi ni nga bnill bro.

[mannyamador]

Just think it this way in lay-man's term. If two families buys a yellow cab pizza, one has four members and the other has ten. Who do you think has more share per person?Go RH BILL!

This does not really apply. People are not just consumers, they are also producers. In general, a person an produce more than he consumes. When working together in economic systems, people produce far, far more than they consume.

If there is poverty, the real cause is not having too many people. In the Philippines, poverty is caused by massive corruption and indiscriminate debt servicing. These use up massive amounts of resources that could easily take care of the social services for populations. And a corrupt and unjust economic keeps people poor, no matter how few they are.

Here's another grave concern about the anti-life Bill: it promotes abortifacient contraceptives.

Why pills, injectables, IUDs are abortifacient
http://opinion.inquirer.net/inquirer...-abortifacient

We are a group of friends, all pro-lifers. Some of us are private medical practitioners -- all faceless
supporters of the stand of the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines (CBCP) against artificial
contraception. We would like to express our support to the CBCP not by starting another debate but by
enlightening readers and, we hope, our legislators as well, regarding this hot topic, from a theoretical
standpoint.

Oral contraceptives (more commonly known as pills), hormonal injectables and Intra-Uterine Devices
(IUDs) are all artificial contraceptives. Unfortunately, most people are not aware that they are, indeed,
abortifacient. A review of the various literatures on these contraceptives will show that each of them has
an efficacy rate that is less than 100 percent because fertilization (the meeting of egg cell and sperm
cell, which leads to the conceptus) is not absolutely prevented.

For instance, the IUD does not prevent ovulation and so fertilization may occur several times in the
span of time the device is in the womb of the woman. However, most of the fetuses will not be able to
implant themselves because there is an “appliance” in the womb that prevents them from doing so.
This is why the IUD is abortifacient.

In the case of the pill, ovulation and fertilization can still occur and we have seen this in our practice.
We have seen patients with abnormal bleeding and positive pregnancy tests despite their taking the
pill, which proves that fertilization had indeed occurred. Unfortunately, the pill -- whether oral, patch or
injectable -- renders the uterus hostile to implantation. And this is what makes it abortifacient.

Some people pushing for this reproductive health bill may even want to define that life begins at
implantation. But even if we all go back to our Biology in high school, life truly begins at fertilization.
Catholic or not, should we not all protect life from the beginning to its very end?

VIRGINIA G. MANZO, M.D., CAROL SANCHEZ, NINA REYES, P. ALVIA, ROSE A. DOMINGUEZ, IRENE B.
OCAMPO and 4 other signatories

[Dorothea]

from my point of view, family planning is not an abortion. ang sperm cell maka "landing or touchdown" sa egg cell kay it's the start of life. so since contraceptives or other family planning methods is to avoid contact between the sperm and egg cells, so it's not really an abortion. ambot kung naka sabot b mo.

Nakasabot baya ko ani. Pero ang argument man gud sa church is, we cannot interfere with the natural human procreation process. And since contraceptive methods artificially interfere with the sperm and the egg, and these methods prevent them from doing their jobs...sala gihapon ni sa balaud sa simbahan. Ambot oi. I'm catholic but I don't agree with everything the church says. To each his own. Make your peace with God, by yourself.

[onlyvic]

i go for this one... morally, it may not be right.. but are we now living a morally right world?

[uzumaki]

if this is effective for other countries why not ours also

[mannyamador]

And since contraceptive methods artificially interfere with the sperm and the egg, and these methods prevent them from doing their jobs...

Actually, MOST contraceptive methods do NOT prevent the union of sperm and egg cell. Only barrier methods like condoms do. Most of the other methods do not.

The Pill, injectables, patch, mini-pill, "emergency contraceptives", and the IUD do not stop the sperm from uniting with an egg if it is present. These methods are supposed to prevent ovulation, but a lot of the time, they don't. Many times there is conception.

So what happens then is that these contraceptives then make it very difficult for the fertilized egg to implant in the uterus. With nowhere to implant, the fertilized egg (which is already a human being) is eventually destroyed. That is an EARLY CHEMICAL ABORTION. That is why these types of contraceptives are called ABORTIFACIENTS.

So while some contraceptives do NOT directly cause abortion (like the condom), most other types of artificial contraceptives (like the pill, mini-pill, Depo-Provera, Norplant, "emergency contraceptives", and the IUD) DO cause abortions.

And this anti-life Bill promotes the use of such abortifacients.

[bcasabee]

Honestly, I haven't heard of a country so effective with contraceptives. More so a poor country made rich because of mass murder of their people.

if this is effective for other countries why not ours also

[cottonmouth]

[QUOTE=mannyamador;3277457]This does not really apply. People are not just consumers, they are also producers. In general, a person an produce more than he consumes. When working together in economic systems, people produce far, far more than they consume.

If there is poverty, the real cause is not having too many people. In the Philippines, poverty is caused by massive corruption and indiscriminate debt servicing. These use up massive amounts of resources that could easily take care of the social services for populations. And a corrupt and unjust economic keeps people poor, no matter how few they are.


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I think you made the wrong analyses here. While it is true that the population is the workhose of the nation, it is also true that it will be the downfall of its economy. For instance, Japan has about 120 million population but 21.6% of it are 65 years old and above. That means 21.6% are eligible for pension. Another 13.7% are 0-14 years old and that means they get money from the government through social services while not giving anything. But for the remaining 64.7% adults around 25% are un-employed, are non-working mothers, students, plus the under-employed and incapable of employment. (Ref. CIA Factbook). That leaves them roughly 40% to keep the economy moving and that ain't good because Japanese population are rapidly aging.

While in contrast, the Philippines is a fairly young population with 34.1% (0-14yrs old), 4.2% (65yrs up) and 61.7% (15-64yrs old). But of the 61.7% adults; 7.3% are un-employed, roughly 35% are either incapable of working, under-employed, non-working mothers, students and etc. That only leaves us 26.7% to work and support those 73.3%.

So there goes your statistics, and if you do your homework you will not just blame the government corruption and indescriminate debt. Corruption is omnipresent in every government it is just how you manage your resources that matters. The theory that people produce is also false. You must be working in MEPZ when got this idea but in reality it is not. Best example is the rice. A normal production of rice will take around 3-6months before rice can be harvested. That means within those months the country has to live according to what they have harvested from the previous season. But in the Philippines we only produce 9.7 million MT of rice, certainly not enough for the population of 80million plus and counting. That is why we need to import and that is why we are greatly affected by the rice crisis.

[mannyamador]

That leaves them roughly 40% to keep the economy moving and that ain't good because Japanese population are rapidly aging.

That's right. Japan suffers from POPULATION AGEING, This is the result of low fertility. Population ageing can be brought about by widespread use of contraceptives and population control programs. We don't weant that kind of problem here.

While in contrast, the Philippines is a fairly young population with 34.1% (0-14yrs old), 4.2% (65yrs up) and 61.7% (15-64yrs old). But of the 61.7% adults; 7.3% are un-employed, roughly 35% are either incapable of working, under-employed, non-working mothers, students and etc. That only leaves us 26.7% to work and support those 73.3%.

The Philippine population seems fairly young NOW, but that will not be the case in the near future. Our fertility rate and population growth rates have been dropping fast for decades. Manila's fertility rate is already below replacement level and its growth id caused by migration. At the rate things are going, we too will the see beginning of population ageing in a generation. After that, we will have the same problem. The time to reverse this trend is now, not when it is already a problem. it takes generations for population ageing to set in, and it will take generations to reverse it. Unfortunately, the Philippines is NOT in a position to handle the effects of population ageing, unlike japan.

So there goes your statistics, and if you do your homework you will not just blame the government corruption and indescriminate debt. Corruption is omnipresent in every government it is just how you manage your resources that matters.

Corruption exists in every government, but there are varying degrees of corruption, and MOST governments are NOT as corrupt as ours. Our government is EXCEPTIONALLY CORRUPT, as evidenced by global ratings. It is this corruption, along with bad policies such as indiscriminate debt servicing, that makes our people less productive. The bottom line is that it is NOT the population that causes poverty, but rather BAD GOVERNANCE. This has been proven historically in many other countries.

Bad governance is what keeps a large proportion of our working-age population under-employed or unemployable. When corruption drains the education budget, people cannot develop skills and have less opportunities. When corruption distorts fair competition, employment opportunities and fair businesses suffer as well, leading to underemployment and lower production. When politicians pocket public money, there is less for social services and less for development, which has an economic impact, making people even less productive. Improve governance and you will see a rise in productivity and employment.

The theory that people produce is also false.

I must disagree. People produce all sorts of things aside from rice. And historically they produce more than they consume, especially in market economies. Bad governance, however, can change all this and turn net producers into net consumers. The solution then is NOT to lessen the population because this will only lessen possible production. The solution is better governance which will allow people to be net producers.