Are we saved by faith alone, or do we need works, too?

[Kenshiro]

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James 2:24 - You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.

now you have a problem.

you forgot to mention in my comment.

It is more than good works it is a state of mind, its a perspective it is our faith and belief in Christ by these goods works overflows.

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them."

What I meant Good works apart from faith(created in Christ Jesus unto good works) is irrelevant
the reason was I am talking to an atheist which they seem to stands upon good works apart from faith.

Who says by faith alone? is there any by faith alone in my statement?
Works to obtain salvation or as a means to boast or a measurement of ones worth is totally irrelevant.
It is by the righteousness of Christ that we obtain salvation not by our works.
Genuine Faith produces Good work, it would not be Genuine faith if there is no good works.
Faith without works is referred to as luke warm Christianity or with the laodicean Christians.

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All the teachings of the apostles are "traditional" teachings, not "written"—"Traditional" in the radical (root) sense of the term, from the Latin "tradere," to hand over (not "down" as so many have it—nor does the idea of "trade," also derived from that verb, enter into it implying some exchange of one sort or another), simply the passing along from one to another. The Bible is the written portion of Tradition, as is amply evidenced by John himself at the very end of his Gospel, where he says that "many other things did Jesus do and say, so many, I think, that if they were all written down the world itself would not be large enough to hold the books that would have to be written to hold them." Even taken in their most gentle sense, those words inescapably mean that in no way can the Bible be taken as the complete record of everything Jesus did, said, or taught.

Most of the beliefs and practices that Fundamentalists condemn among Catholics are rooted in Sacred Tradition, the unwritten portion; though I also must make certain that it is understood that no Tradition, however longstanding, may contradict Scripture.

Revelation is of a piece; it is not a patchwork quilt, from which we pick and choose those things that please us or which may threaten us less. Salvation and revelation are a package deal—they go together, and we accept all or none.

bye2x for now

actually it is written its not an oral tradition.

“You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My Commandments."
Exodus 20

[porbidaman]

My question for these theists, if your parents were Muslims, will you be Christians?

[Archon]

Imong question sayop na daan, apart from the Bible which is a book do I have any basis to my claim that salvation is by faith? which is religion?

So which is it? is it apart from a book or apart from religion? because these are two different things. which you make it as the same thing which doesn't make sense.

Bai ikaw ra gyud ga pa libog sa imong kaugalingon. simple ra kaayo ang pangutana imo lng gyud gipakutaw imong utok. maka hunahuna man sab ta nga nasobrahan ra ug dagan imong utok w/c is delikado na.

asa man diay ka nag base sa imong doktrina di ba sa bible? so akong pangutana and its my fifth time to ask you this question.

...Apart from the bible do you have any other basis to your claim that salvation is by faith?

mao ra gyud na, yes or no and then support your answer.

[Archon]

you forgot to mention in my comment.



"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them."

What I meant Good works apart from faith(created in Christ Jesus unto good works) is irrelevant
the reason was I am talking to an atheist which they seem to stands upon good works apart from faith.

Who says by faith alone? is there any by faith alone in my statement?
Works to obtain salvation or as a means to boast or a measurement of ones worth is totally irrelevant.
It is by the righteousness of Christ that we obtain salvation not by our works.
Genuine Faith produces Good work, it would not be Genuine faith if there is no good works.
Faith without works is referred to as luke warm Christianity or with the laodicean Christians.

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Unsa bai? nagka anam naman ka katag imong tubag.

naa lagi kay habit bai nga ang simple nga topic imong e complicate hehe observation ra na nako ha.


kung ang imong stand is salvation by faith alone ... ang kanang Ephesians bai nga "by grace through faith" conflict na sa James nga " You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone."

klaro man kaayo ang gisulti sa James, di maka lusot imong explanation kay masango ka sa James.

[NapoleonBlownapart]

My question for these theists, if your parents were Muslims, will you be Christians?

Nabeel Qureshi and many others.

[NapoleonBlownapart]

Unsa bai? nagka anam naman ka katag imong tubag.

naa lagi kay habit bai nga ang simple nga topic imong e complicate hehe observation ra na nako ha.


kung ang imong stand is salvation by faith alone ... ang kanang Ephesians bai nga "by grace through faith" conflict na sa James nga " You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone."

klaro man kaayo ang gisulti sa James, di maka lusot imong explanation kay masango ka sa James.

There's no conflict if you look at its context. Kini na article kay gitapol ko explain..haha

https://carm.org/grace-or-works

[Pringle]

Mao bitaw naay quote nga "Do your best and God will do the rest." Dapat na jud kay work sa imong part

[porbidaman]

A friendly theist didn't answer my question directly. 😊

[Archon]

There's no conflict if you look at its context. Kini na article kay gitapol ko explain..haha

https://carm.org/grace-or-works

Para sa ako bai wa gihapon ma resolve ni Matt Slick ang arguments.

kining theory gud nga "good works are fruits of faith" di mani biblical kung sincere lang gyud ang mo interpret sa James og Ephesians.

maka klaro man gud nga dunay spin gibuhat ang mga protestante.

James 2:17 - 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead. , nga If faith is NOT ACCOMPANIED with ACTION is DEAD.

wala man na gi categorize diha if saving faith ba na or fake faith, binuhat ra mana sa protestante in their attempt to squeeze James to fit to their theory.

ang gibutang diha is kung ang faith dili obanan og action is DEAD. period, di ba. now since ganahan man gyud ang mga protestante mo uyon nila ang bibliya so they come up explanation nga bordering on heresy na.


now on Luther, kini diay si Luther ganahan siya tangtangon or e cut out ang book of James from the bible, ngano man? wala diay siyay pagtoo sa doctrine of inspiration? A man with this kind of reputation can not be trusted. so im wondering ngano magpakamatay gyud ni mga advocates ani nga doktrina.

[NapoleonBlownapart]

Para sa ako bai wa gihapon ma resolve ni Matt Slick ang arguments.

kining theory gud nga "good works are fruits of faith" di mani biblical kung sincere lang gyud ang mo interpret sa James og Ephesians.

maka klaro man gud nga dunay spin gibuhat ang mga protestante.

James 2:17 - 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead. , nga If faith is NOT ACCOMPANIED with ACTION is DEAD.

It is dead bitaw.. actually wa me problema ana. After justification which requires only faith is sanctification man, where works are displayed. For those who are justified are sanctified. Kana sa James gud ang context man gud ana is kanang mga nag claim na Christian pero di makita sa buhat. Just because you say you believe doesn't mean you really believe. Makita jud na sa buhat. Di man na molahos ug sanctification bai moagi pa man na ug justification and justification is by faith for no one is justified by works. So it's faith plus works? No because even sa sanctification it is not your own work but it is God who works in you to will and to act on behalf of His good pleasure(Phil.2). If walay buhat then it is just an evidence that you didn't believe and you didn't have faith because He who started a good work is able to finish it.

wala man na gi categorize diha if saving faith ba na or fake faith, binuhat ra mana sa protestante in their attempt to squeeze James to fit to their theory.

ang gibutang diha is kung ang faith dili obanan og action is DEAD. period, di ba. now since ganahan man gyud ang mga protestante mo uyon nila ang bibliya so they come up explanation nga bordering on heresy na.

Actually there is bai. One that's dead and one that has work. Mao bitaw ana si James your faith is dead ug I will show my faith. His kind of faith makita sa buhat whereas kato iya gisuwatan has kind of faith na kutob ra sa baba. Saving faith is accompanied by action jud. Di jud na sya magbulag for it to be saving faith. Mao nga sa salvation naay believing part ug naay repentance part.

now on Luther, kini diay si Luther ganahan siya tangtangon or e cut out ang book of James from the bible, ngano man? wala diay siyay pagtoo sa doctrine of inspiration? A man with this kind of reputation can not be trusted. so im wondering ngano magpakamatay gyud ni mga advocates ani nga doktrina.

Well I don't know about that and honestly it doesn't matter to me because Luther or somebody else maabot gihapon diha sa doctrine of justification kay di man sad gud ma deny ang giingon ni Pablo sa Romans. BTW, there's an ebook for Doctrine of Justification click lang ang link if interested ka mobasa. https://www.monergism.com/doctrine-justification-ebook