Are we saved by faith alone, or do we need works, too?

[slabdans]

Do you have any biblical proof that this doen't mean murder? Or any scriptural proof? Ie other passages nga nag proove dili cya murder.
If none then this is the end of this conversation since you're not here to learn of the gospel but to criticize and twist its meaning.

Mao ning problema sa mga twisted interpretation. Parehas anang John 3:16- so we just need to believe in Jesus to be saved? Yes that is true but that doesn't mean we can murder, steal cheat and covet but just believe in Jesus and you will be saved? I feel sorry for you if that is how narrow your understanding is and you need help in understanding the scriptures and not in a position criticize or interpret.

my question is... unsa nga version sa bible ang atong sundon imo tubag mas prefer kag KJV gipakitaan tikag KJV na "kill" ang nakasuwat pero imo jud ipamugos na murder karon unsa man jud nga version ang angay sundon? ayaw kog baliha ug pangutana kay wala paka motubag

twisted interpretation? did I interpret the bible? wala diba? nangutana ko kung unsa nga version ang atong basihan or unsa nga version ang insakto, ikaw or kamo raman ang nag interpret diha kesyo kill ang nakasulat pero murder ang pasabot ikaw ra mismo ang nag interpret diha wala ko nag interpret.

[Kenshiro]

my question is... unsa nga version sa bible ang atong sundon imo tubag mas prefer kag KJV gipakitaan tikag KJV na "kill" ang nakasuwat pero imo jud ipamugos na murder karon unsa man jud nga version ang angay sundon? ayaw kog baliha ug pangutana kay wala paka motubag

twisted interpretation? did I interpret the bible? wala diba? nangutana ko kung unsa nga version ang atong basihan or unsa nga version ang insakto, ikaw or kamo raman ang nag interpret diha kesyo kill ang nakasulat pero murder ang pasabot ikaw ra mismo ang nag interpret diha wala ko nag interpret.

If nag basa ka sa akong comment its kjv,
Once again let me give you the link why I chose this https://youtu.be/tNv-zzpIwBs
Tanaw sad pud ta gamay sa resource akong gi provide ha para makahibaw ka ngano kjv akong choice.

Pero if you look at the whole biblical context it could only mean murder.

Again let me quote myself kay wala ka naka kuha sa akong gisulti.
"Mao when you need to know the meaning of that verse or if its questionable naay lain bible verse that will help you interpret the true meaning or intention of the verse." Meaning look at the whole biblical context.

Like the prophecy of Christ 1st advent daghan kaau lain lain book sa bible that points to or corresponds to the birth of Christ, his title his life, ministry ect. Dili mag pilit raka ug usa ka text sa bible para ma understand jud nimo ang true meaning.

I know elementary or basic jud imong biblical knowledge bro, but you have to humble yourself and ask for help in understanding not pride yourself and position yourself too knowledgable to malaign and criticize.

[NapoleonBlownapart]

unya nata moadto sa definition between murder and kill ato sang sulbaron ang wala pa ninyo tubaga nga pangutana unsa nga version atong sundon

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kita diha sa link nga ako gi provide saKJV kill ang gibutang dili murder ngano ipamugos man nimo ng murder...naa nasad ning mga meaning2x whole context2x naa man sa bible diba dili pa ilisan padungangan pa pun-an nga mag buot2x man mog puno or ilis worst mohatag pag meaning or translation definition

natubag na man na.. KJV, NKJV, NIV, NASB, ESV or whatever version it doesn't matter. Kung kabalo ka na ang meaning sa "kill" is murder then bisan unsa pa nang translation diha ma kill or murder pa man na you will understand it na di sya blanket statement sa tanan "killing". Wa man nay issue unless ngita lang kag bikil. If ingon-ana lang pud gani then wa na sad point in asking unsa na version kay wa man kay tuohan ana kay you're not searching for the truth na.

Wa man na gipamugos na murder gud.. mao lang jud na ang iyang meaning sa original language na gigamit kill as in murder.. adto jud ka magbase sa meaning sa original dili sa translation. Mao bitaw nga when it comes to bible interpretation naay mga tools, isa ana is bible dictionary aron naa kay background unsa ang meaning ana na word sa original language.

[slabdans]

natubag na man na.. KJV, NKJV, NIV, NASB, ESV or whatever version it doesn't matter. Kung kabalo ka na ang meaning sa "kill" is murder then bisan unsa pa nang translation diha ma kill or murder pa man na you will understand it na di sya blanket statement sa tanan "killing". Wa man nay issue unless ngita lang kag bikil. If ingon-ana lang pud gani then wa na sad point in asking unsa na version kay wa man kay tuohan ana kay you're not searching for the truth na.

Wa man na gipamugos na murder gud.. mao lang jud na ang iyang meaning sa original language na gigamit kill as in murder.. adto jud ka magbase sa meaning sa original dili sa translation. Mao bitaw nga when it comes to bible interpretation naay mga tools, isa ana is bible dictionary aron naa kay background unsa ang meaning ana na word sa original language.

so unsa nga vesion ang basihan ug dapat sundon? KJV? unsa man juy tinuod nga tanslation diay ngano nagka lahi2x mana?

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If nag basa ka sa akong comment its kjv,
Once again let me give you the link why I chose this https://youtu.be/tNv-zzpIwBs
Tanaw sad pud ta gamay sa resource akong gi provide ha para makahibaw ka ngano kjv akong choice.

Pero if you look at the whole biblical context it could only mean murder.

Again let me quote myself kay wala ka naka kuha sa akong gisulti.
"Mao when you need to know the meaning of that verse or if its questionable naay lain bible verse that will help you interpret the true meaning or intention of the verse." Meaning look at the whole biblical context.

Like the prophecy of Christ 1st advent daghan kaau lain lain book sa bible that points to or corresponds to the birth of Christ, his title his life, ministry ect. Dili mag pilit raka ug usa ka text sa bible para ma understand jud nimo ang true meaning.

I know elementary or basic jud imong biblical knowledge bro, but you have to humble yourself and ask for help in understanding not pride yourself and position yourself too knowledgable to malaign and criticize.

nag basi kag KJV? kita kas akong gi provide nga link? KJV to "KILL" ang gibutang aykog hatagig youtube kay dili pwede diris opis kung gusto ka hatagi kog picture sa bible mismo sa KJV kung unsay nasuwat. abot man kag youtube bible ra atong gihisgutan gamit paka lain reference bawal nas bible kana pun-an or ilisan imo pang giduganan ug youtube

[RayGunz]

From my point of view, faith will save us against what or whom? Will faith save us from a rabid dog in they alley? Or will it save us from another trigger happy criminals? Or will it save us from eternal fires of hell as what the "stories" are told by the highest selling "book" of all time? The first 2 will be definitely NO. The 3rd , i will let you bother the analysis of all the imaginary beings, creatures, and places, mentioned in your "book". Sky is the limit when it comes to the authors imagination plus the readers individual interpretations.

[Kenshiro]

so unsa nga vesion ang basihan ug dapat sundon? KJV? unsa man juy tinuod nga tanslation diay ngano nagka lahi2x mana?

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nag basi kag KJV? kita kas akong gi provide nga link? KJV to "KILL" ang gibutang aykog hatagig youtube kay dili pwede diris opis kung gusto ka hatagi kog picture sa bible mismo sa KJV kung unsay nasuwat. abot man kag youtube bible ra atong gihisgutan gamit paka lain reference bawal nas bible kana pun-an or ilisan imo pang giduganan ug youtube

Ako na nang natubag bro. Unsay nakasulat sa kjv. Mao na ang naka butang is "kill". Other version "murder".

Kjv can be translated ambigiously, that doesnt mean contradicting ang meaning pero ang meaning is dili exact.

So to prove what its true meaning is you have to look at other bible reference take note dili other sources but still in the bible. Because the bible interprets itself. In every case in the bible we can never find God commiting murder or "killing" without a justifiable cause. This is what is in the ten commandments. Because if were talking about killing for defense this verse would not mean anything in the kjv. So with this thought it will make the bible more clear and harmonious if we look at the true meaning of this text based on other verses.

If intersado jud ka mu learn sa biblical answers you should be able to watch these videos or become broader in your mind if you are an earnest searcher of the truth. I dont even have a computer in our home.

Naa may interpretation sa bible of a day that actually means 1 year.
Some passages would show as a year for a day some are literal days. That is why you have to look at the meaning or context.
"And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year."
Ezekiel 4:6

Its not compliacted but if you really looking for answers you wouldn't be asking repeating questions nga ako namg natubag, otherwise nang limbong ra imong point.

Usa pa tanawa ni ang video para makahibaw ka ngano why we should choose the kjv
https://youtu.be/tNv-zzpIwBs

[luci_morningstar]

then why those angels sent by God to distroy sodom and gomurah kill those civilization? does it mean those angel doesn't have faith in God?if they love their enemy as commanded by God then why do they kill those people?

The Law that Jesus Gave are NOT intended for Angels... The Law of God is From God and for HUMANS to follow.

The Angels are different from humans and have Different set of LAWS. You cannot have same LAW for beings that can FLY and have Powers and are Immortal from those beings which are Not.

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From my point of view, faith will save us against what or whom? Will faith save us from a rabid dog in they alley? Or will it save us from another trigger happy criminals? Or will it save us from eternal fires of hell as what the "stories" are told by the highest selling "book" of all time? The first 2 will be definitely NO. The 3rd , i will let you bother the analysis of all the imaginary beings, creatures, and places, mentioned in your "book". Sky is the limit when it comes to the authors imagination plus the readers individual interpretations.

OR they are all TRUE, Because for GOD there's NO limit.

[RayGunz]

The Law that Jesus Gave are NOT intended for Angels... The Law of God is From God and for HUMANS to follow.

The Angels are different from humans and have Different set of LAWS. You cannot have same LAW for beings that can FLY and have Powers and are Immortal from those beings which are Not.



OR they are all TRUE, Because for GOD there's NO limit.

exactly! OR they are all FALSE !!
because in "IMAGINATION" there is no limit ! And that is a PROVEN FACT..

[slabdans]

The Law that Jesus Gave are NOT intended for Angels... The Law of God is From God and for HUMANS to follow.

The Angels are different from humans and have Different set of LAWS. You cannot have same LAW for beings that can FLY and have Powers and are Immortal from those beings which are Not.

this will also invalid to the claims of the scritpture as per Jhon...

Revelation 22:8-9 8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.

9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.

Jhon, the prophets, and the Angels are the same servant of God as per the bible says so therefore your claims that angels and humans have different sets of laws?

[NapoleonBlownapart]

so unsa nga vesion ang basihan ug dapat sundon? KJV? unsa man juy tinuod nga tanslation diay ngano nagka lahi2x mana?

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