Bongbong Marcos to run as President

[Apollo24]

Mu langsad pag-usab sa pagka presidente ang amahan ni BongBong Marcos? Diba dugay ra man to namatay?
Marcos martial law ug Cory Aquino man gud tawn ang gi lalisan diri.

Si Bong2x Marcos ang kandidato boss... Kung nagsubay ka ni BBM kada sulti nya magsige man lang ingon nindot kuno kaayo pagkadala sa iyang Amahan ang Pilipinas.. Kay kung wala pa daw ang Edsa 1 Rebolusyon.. Singapore na daw ta ron, wala sya kuyapi... Wala kunoy angay ipangayo ug pasaylo ang ilang pamilya sa Pilipino kay wala silay nahimong sayop... Swerte daw kaayo sya na Marcos sya... Kang kung dili pa sya Marcos dili unta sya mahinumdoman sa mga Marcos loyalists kay wala man siya nahimo na bisan motopong lang sa ubang kandidato.. Mao na ang dakong panguta dri, asa man na dapit ang giingon ni Bong2x na nindot ang Pnas sa tym nila? Naa naman toy Links gi-share c yhokz101 ug OUTthinking, ambot sad kaha ug nakasabot ang pro Marcos ato? Pero wala ko kasabot sa mga Pro Marcos, mobali man ang issue sa Aquino..

[kit_cebu]

I believed she's done more harm in doing so than good for instance the scrapping of Bataan Nuclear Power Plant. Now we have the highest electricity rate in all of Southeast Asia,

well...her "clients" businesses (meralco) will die down if it will be allowed to operate...

when she freed Joma too, communist hitmen were in rampage.

well...they helped her get her presidency...

her son.

no one will top the son...maka-panguros kog balik aning tawhana...not sure if oblivious or really just stupid...pun-an pa's pagka-apathetic...

[kolz]

Cory was the first sanctimonious phil. president. She did it all in the name of national reconciliation. Wa toud solid proof that the Aquino's have communist links only circumstantial evidences like Ninoy's absence during Plaza Miranda's bombing and freeing of Joma Sison. Cory's action was to undo everything what Marcos has done good or bad, but I believed she's done more harm in doing so than good for instance the scrapping of Bataan Nuclear Power Plant. Now we have the highest electricity rate in all of Southeast Asia, when she freed Joma too, communist hitmen were in rampage. Mao toy pag uso sa patay sa mga policemen sa Alex Bungcayao Brigade sa mid and late 80's. She was a stupid president just like her son.

I have to agree, the NPA became rampant during her presidency. It was a very unstable government from one coup d'etat to another. The only one good thing that the Cory administration brought us though is - FREEDOM. The press was alive again, it was a time when we are again free to express our own opinion without fear of persecution. But alas, Filipinos never really learned the value of freedom we enjoy today - most of them belong to the new generation who were born after Martial Law. They never really learned how difficult life was during the dark pages of our nations history. Most of them were brain-washed from what they saw in youtube or facebook - an attempt by the Marcoses and its cronies to erase the memory of our dark past. They'll never realize that our basic freedom of expression which we enjoy in istorya.net, facebook or youtube wouldn't be possible under Martial Rule. But to us who experienced the horrors of the Marcos regime - I would say NEVER AGAIN!

[yhokz101]

I have to agree, the NPA became rampant during her presidency. It was a very unstable government from one coup d'etat to another. The only one good thing that the Cory administration brought us though is - FREEDOM. The press was alive again, it was a time when we are again free to express our own opinion without fear of persecution. But alas, Filipinos never really learned the value of freedom we enjoy today - most of them belong to the new generation who were born after Martial Law. They never really learned how difficult life was during the dark pages of our nations history. Most of them were brain-washed from what they saw in youtube or facebook - an attempt by the Marcoses and its cronies to erase the memory of our dark past. They'll never realize that our basic freedom of expression which we enjoy in istorya.net, facebook or youtube wouldn't be possible under Martial Rule. But to us who experienced the horrors of the Marcos regime - I would say NEVER AGAIN!

Bro, who would ever say we would want martial law to happen again? Let's face it, some of us here are defending the marcos in some extent and BBM's candicacy for VP. Did anyone here mentioned on having martial law is recommended sa karon na age? Wala man di ba? SO pls dont be so martial law-phobia, and focus what is the matter on hand. This is a thread topic on BBM, do you think he can declare martial law as VP? Be realistic. Past is past, you can never forget it but pls move on. I know your sentiment honestly but dont taint this thread sa image sa martial law, we are not talking about Ferdinand Marcos here anyway.

Comment lang ko sa imong freedom, tinuod naa tay freedom but what does it do if rampant ang krimen ug linient ang balaud sa mga kriminal? Look and what does it brings us for being so "free".. on the other hand we can do soo much with freedom, only when twisted and corrupt mind it become a liability. The media? True enough freedom of expression is precious, but what we can observed is a biased if not controlled main stream media by the oligarchs to serve their personal agenda and purpose. Too much of something is really dangerous afterall.

[rickflag]

I don't think total Freedom is good for us pinoys at least for now because a lot of us are very immature. We make stupid decisions because of our being too emotional just look at how we choose our recent leaders. I've lived in Singapore before and they don't live in total freedom in fact it feels that they are semi-communist since almost everything and most big non MNC corporations are owned by govt but I can see that because of that restrictions they are also very disciplined people.

[Apollo24]

Bro, who would ever say we would want martial law to happen again? Let's face it, some of us here are defending the marcos in some extent and BBM's candicacy for VP. Did anyone here mentioned on having martial law is recommended sa karon na age? Wala man di ba? SO pls dont be so martial law-phobia, and focus what is the matter on hand. This is a thread topic on BBM, do you think he can declare martial law as VP? Be realistic. Past is past, you can never forget it but pls move on. I know your sentiment honestly but dont taint this thread sa image sa martial law, we are not talking about Ferdinand Marcos here anyway.

Comment lang ko sa imong freedom, tinuod naa tay freedom but what does it do if rampant ang krimen ug linient ang balaud sa mga kriminal? Look and what does it brings us for being so "free".. on the other hand we can do soo much with freedom, only when twisted and corrupt mind it become a liability. The media? True enough freedom of expression is precious, but what we can observed is a biased if not controlled main stream media by the oligarchs to serve their personal agenda and purpose. Too much of something is really dangerous afterall.

I'm confuse of your opinion... There's contradiction with your arguments... At 1st sentence- "Bro, who would ever say we would want martial law to happen again? At the last Sentence- on the other hand we can do soo much with freedom, only when twisted and corrupt mind it become a liability. The media? True enough freedom of expression is precious, but what we can observed is a biased if not controlled main stream media by the oligarchs to serve their personal agenda and purpose. Too much of something is really dangerous afterall".... My Conclusion- daghan man gani mailad sa panghitabo na naa tay freedom sa mga site para sa sa atong information, how much more kung gi filter pa sa Government... Gikan ko sa China yhokz101 paet kaayo didto.. Wlay FB, Youtube ug mga news filtered sa government.. Mao nay gusto nimo?

[PhakSheet]

That could be true, but nonetheless it happened during Pres cory admin and was it considered and highlihted as human rights violation? As it was labeled imfamous.. anyway, that really happened among other “ incidents“

Yes, that was an "infamous" human rights violation because the media are free to spread the news. Unlike during the Marcos era when the bad news were suppressed. That was very hard to accept since it happened during the time of Cory. However, you have to look at the root cause of the problem.

Well it could be difficult to get the data per se and tedious but let’s take what Enrile has got to say about this.

“ The expensive electricity in the country did not occur accidentally. It was the direct and inevitable result of a series of bad, careless, and ill-advised decisions of national leaders after the EDSA Revolution of 1986. To grasp fully the import of these decisions, one has to go back to the Marcos era“

“The creation of the Department of Energy, the segregation of generation and transmission of electricity from the distribution of electric power, and the careful synchronization of supply of and demand for electricity worked well during the Marcos years. The rates were fairly reasonable and stable, and there was no grumbling from the people“

The data is much more acceptable for me instead of a quote from someone who was one of the individuals used by Marcos in order for them to have a reason to implement Martial Law. A certified balimbing who revolted against Marcos knowing that the dictator's demise was about to come.

As I've said, if you could show me a data, I might believe you. Anyway, if you are going to post a data here, the comparison must be between the current ratio against the ratio during the end of Marcos era.

Still this happened during those times, which in return was beneficial to all. They have in fact brought back NutriBun lately. Give credit to NutriBun and for those folks who are generous enough to provide them to those in need..

Honestly, I am disappointed with this argument of yours. Actually, I am happy that I was one of those who experienced having NutriBun. However, you can't give credit to Marcos for that one. It's just like giving credit to a Barangay Captain for having his Barangay to be on the route of the National Highway project of the National Government.

Several factors to consider on the Philippine economy during that time and it maybe true that it was not the case of being the Tiger of Asia. But to state that in his first term Marcos tried to stabilize the financial position of the government through an intensified tax collection. He also borrowed heavily from international financing institutions to support a large-scale infrastructure works projects were built. He improved agricultural production to make the country self-sufficient in food, especially in rice.

Here’s an excerpt:

ECONOMIC CHANGES UNDER MARCOS

“To hasten the economic development, President Marcos implemented a number of economic programs. These programs helped the country to enjoy the period of economic growth I the mid-1970's up to the early 1980's.

The farmers were given technical and financial aid and other incentives such as "price support". With the incentives given to the farmers, the country's agricultural sector grew. As a result, the Philippines became self-sufficient in rice in 1976 and even became a rice exporter.

To help finance a number of economic development projects such as soil exploration, the establishment of geothermal power plants, the Bataan Nuclear Plant, hydro-electric dams, the construction of more roads, bridges, irrigation systems and other expensive infrastructure projects, the government engaged in foreign borrowings.

Foreign capital was invited to invest in certain industrial projects. They were offered incentives including tax exemption privileges and the privilege of bringing out their profits in foreign currencies. One of the most important economic programs in the 1980's was the Kilusang Kabuhayan at Kaunlaran (KKK). This program was started in September 1981. Its aim was to promote the economic development of the barangays by encouraging the barangay residents to engage in their own livelihood projects.

The government's efforts resulted in the increase of the nation's economic growth rate to an average of six percent to seven percent from 1970 to 1980. The rate was only less than 5 percent in the previous decade. The Gross National Product of the country (GNP) rose from P55 billion in 1972 to P193 billion in 1980.

Another major contributor to the economic growth of the country was the tourism industry. The number of tourists visiting the Philippine rose to one million by 1980 from less than 200,000 in previous years. The country earned at $500 million a year from tourism. A big portion of the tourist group was composed of Filipino balikbayans under the Ministry of Tourism's Balikbayan Program which was launched in 1973.

Another major source of economic growth of the country was the remittances of overseas Filipino workers. Thousands of Filipino workers found employment in the Middle East and in Singapore and Hongkong. These overseas Filipino workers not only helped ease the country's unemployment problem but also earned much-needed foreign exchange for the Philippines.“

To rate the accomplishment of a president, you should not just selectively pick a span of time during his term but for the whole span of his term. It was evident that he did good during his first term. But how about the rest of his term?

Anyway, as what I've said in my previous post, the positive effect was brought by the heavy spending through loans from international financial institutions. By the time that the loan matures, the burden of paying comes. And if the loans were not efficiently spent coupled with a possibility that the expected results will not be achieved, then you will have problems in paying the loans as the return of the investments made will not be enough to pay the scheduled payments. And that was what happened wherein the worst case, Marcos was forced to lobby for additional loans just for the payment of the interest. If you are familiar with credit cards, you can imagine how big the problem is when that time comes.

Also, the big remittance from OFWs is not an indicator of progress. It only shows that the government failed to provide good opportunities locally for its citizens. It causes brain drain that instead of using their knowledge and skills here, they are forced to give their services in other countries.

[yhokz101]

I'm confuse of your opinion... There's contradiction with your arguments... At 1st sentence- "Bro, who would ever say we would want martial law to happen again? At the last Sentence- on the other hand we can do soo much with freedom, only when twisted and corrupt mind it become a liability. The media? True enough freedom of expression is precious, but what we can observed is a biased if not controlled main stream media by the oligarchs to serve their personal agenda and purpose. Too much of something is really dangerous afterall".... My Conclusion- daghan man gani mailad sa panghitabo na naa tay freedom sa mga site para sa sa atong information, how much more kung gi filter pa sa Government... Gikan ko sa China yhokz101 paet kaayo didto.. Wlay FB, Youtube ug mga news filtered sa government.. Mao nay gusto nimo?

You do know China is a communist country right? So? unsa man ang imo gina compare sa China and sa akong nasulti? Dia ko sa singapore kahibaw ko sa comparison between singapore and philippines, that's why I said lenient ra kaau ang balaud or ang systema sa pilipinas. Unsa ang contradicting diha sa ako sulti? Up to now mag lisod jd gihapon kay connect ug comprehend.. imo namang hinuon gi brought up and usa ka communist country.

[Apollo24]

You do know China is a communist country right? So? unsa man ang imo gina compare sa China and sa akong nasulti? Dia ko sa singapore kahibaw ko sa comparison between singapore and philippines, that's why I said lenient ra kaau ang balaud or ang systema sa pilipinas. Unsa ang contradicting diha sa ako sulti? Up to now mag lisod jd gihapon kay connect ug comprehend.. imo namang hinuon gi brought up and usa ka communist country.

Unsa may may kalainan sa Freedom regarding sa news ug social media sa Singapore Ug sa Philippines.. Gi censor ba diha?

[Bears Grill]

mythologized hero? you must be referring to the traitor Ninoy Aquino (‘Ninoy vowed to drop Sabah claim to get KL support vs Marcos’ | Headlines, News, The Philippine Star | philstar.com).

Personally, I find the hero status rather overrated in the Philippines. Ninoy was a figurehead for a revolution that seemed to promise true democracy, human rights, and freedom. Unfortunately, the Aquino legacy has been a disappointment. Hence the growing clamor...a yearning for the Marcos years. I understand that. But I'd like to temper the glorification in the other direction, which I think is made up of propaganda, hyperbole and myths.

People who are old enough will tell you, as they reminisce life under Marcos, that those were really good years. And I will agree as far as preference goes. I like the fact that population was a lot smaller, life much simpler, and people meet face to face to develop relationships, platonic or otherwise. I like the fact biking on the roads was a less dangerous activity and the air was cleaner...although Cebu suffered long (like 6-10 hours) and frequent brownouts (like almost everyday) in the 70s (I can attest to that, having still remembered VECO's old 5-digit telephone number because I kept missing episodes of Voltes V cartoons due to frequent brownouts). I like the music of the 60s and 70s and the early 80s. I like the games we played then. The fanatic passion over Crispa-Toyota rivalry is unmatched to this day. Going to the movies was a big thing. Are these the result of Marcos policies or are these the result of non-government-related factors (i.e. smaller population, simpler technologies)?

As for Sabah (currently a populated state), if you asked the people there: Would they choose to be part of the Philippines or Malaysia? Is it a settled issue? IF Sabah is really ours and the people there are begging to be part of the Philippines AND Ninoy indeed sold out on Sabah, then YES Ninoy would be a traitor. As you can see, the statement is a loaded one from which a series of questions needs to be unpacked and answered carefully.

Anyways, I'm achievements-oriented. I go for that candidate with the most achievements amongst others - which happens to be BBM.

Duterte supports BBM.
Miriam supports BBM.
I'm glad I'm able to see things the way they do.

Just like my point earlier.
Whether BBM is good or bad - depende ra jud.

He is good to those who are aware and appreciative of his performance and achievements.
However, it is bad to those who envy his ingenuity, vision and foresight, to those who seek revenge accented by hatred.

Now vote wisely.

Every single one of the candidates will tout their "ACHIEVEMENTS". It depends on how many of their claims actually relate to people personally as far as tangible impact on their lives is concerned.

Will BBM make our lives better? The million dollar question follows: HOW? Before any candidate gets my vote, they have to specifically spell out what they plan to do with taxes, education, bureaucracy, transparency/corruption, creating job opportunities, the rebellion/terrorism problem in Mindanao, etc.

As far as I'm concerened, every one of the candidates will come into their respective posts as neophytes. We have to learn not to put the cart before the horse and not glorify any one of them, but instead demand their platforms and agendas and how they will approach various issues...before we exchange that for our votes.

My concern (or fear) is that BBM will be a divisive figure, simply because of what he will inevitably do for his family's sake: i.e. Libingan ng mga Bayani, re-writing history, taking out EDSA from our list of holidays...and perhaps get the entire country to acknowledge that EDSA was a mistake. I can understand that. All I'm saying is that those things will not be accomplished without, to put it mildly, stiff opposition.

If BBM makes the ultimate sacrifice and say he will not pursue all those things, he gets my VOTE. At that point, I mean that act alone would speak volume about his grasp of national priorities and interests.