Bongbong Marcos to run as President

[yhokz101]

The error committed by the military was actually a remnant of Marcos. They were used to doing like that during the time of Marcos and bad habits are hard to eradicate. I think that was written on one of the links that I provided. It takes time to fully correct incidents like that as it involves mind-set.

That could be true, but nonetheless it happened during Pres cory admin and was it considered and highlihted as human rights violation? As it was labeled imfamous.. anyway, that really happened among other “ incidents“

When you say lower, how much was the ratio of the cost per KW-hr against the minimum wage at that time compared with the current ratio? Do you have the data? Show it here and I might agree with you.

Well it could be difficult to get the data per se and tedious but let’s take what Enrile has got to say about this.

“ The expensive electricity in the country did not occur accidentally. It was the direct and inevitable result of a series of bad, careless, and ill-advised decisions of national leaders after the EDSA Revolution of 1986. To grasp fully the import of these decisions, one has to go back to the Marcos era“

“The creation of the Department of Energy, the segregation of generation and transmission of electricity from the distribution of electric power, and the careful synchronization of supply of and demand for electricity worked well during the Marcos years. The rates were fairly reasonable and stable, and there was no grumbling from the people“

NutriBun were not from Marcos. That was US Aid (honestly, that was one of my good memories for that time including the yellow corn) since the Philippines was a strategic location for the US during the Cold War and thus, they poured much Aid for the Philippines to ensure that our government will retain their bases.

Still this happened during those times, which in return was beneficial to all. They have in fact brought back NutriBun lately. Give credit to NutriBun and for those folks who are generous enough to provide them to those in need..

Try to check again... RP was an envy for the other South East Asian Nations before Marcos including Lee Kwan Yew of Singapore. However, as I've said in my previous posts, RP was a poor country shortly before Marcos was exiled. He was even begging for a loan from Lee Kwan Yew in which he was turned down for the fear that he (Lee Kwan Yew) might not see that money again.

So you can't expect that our country can recover in such a immediately considering the debt that Marcos left. To think also, the loan that Marcos requested from Lee KY was just for the payment of the interest of the previous loans.

With regards to LKY's account related to the Philippines, I think you can research it on the internet. Also, there is a post in this thread today regarding the trend of out debt from the time of Marcos until Pnoy. It also graphed the Peso to Dollar exchange rate. try to read it...

Several factors to consider on the Philippine economy during that time and it maybe true that it was not the case of being the Tiger of Asia. But to state that in his first term Marcos tried to stabilize the financial position of the government through an intensified tax collection. He also borrowed heavily from international financing institutions to support a large-scale infrastructure works projects were built. He improved agricultural production to make the country self-sufficient in food, especially in rice.

Here’s an excerpt:

ECONOMIC CHANGES UNDER MARCOS

“To hasten the economic development, President Marcos implemented a number of economic programs. These programs helped the country to enjoy the period of economic growth I the mid-1970's up to the early 1980's.

The farmers were given technical and financial aid and other incentives such as "price support". With the incentives given to the farmers, the country's agricultural sector grew. As a result, the Philippines became self-sufficient in rice in 1976 and even became a rice exporter.

To help finance a number of economic development projects such as soil exploration, the establishment of geothermal power plants, the Bataan Nuclear Plant, hydro-electric dams, the construction of more roads, bridges, irrigation systems and other expensive infrastructure projects, the government engaged in foreign borrowings.

Foreign capital was invited to invest in certain industrial projects. They were offered incentives including tax exemption privileges and the privilege of bringing out their profits in foreign currencies. One of the most important economic programs in the 1980's was the Kilusang Kabuhayan at Kaunlaran (KKK). This program was started in September 1981. Its aim was to promote the economic development of the barangays by encouraging the barangay residents to engage in their own livelihood projects.

The government's efforts resulted in the increase of the nation's economic growth rate to an average of six percent to seven percent from 1970 to 1980. The rate was only less than 5 percent in the previous decade. The Gross National Product of the country (GNP) rose from P55 billion in 1972 to P193 billion in 1980.

Another major contributor to the economic growth of the country was the tourism industry. The number of tourists visiting the Philippine rose to one million by 1980 from less than 200,000 in previous years. The country earned at $500 million a year from tourism. A big portion of the tourist group was composed of Filipino balikbayans under the Ministry of Tourism's Balikbayan Program which was launched in 1973.

Another major source of economic growth of the country was the remittances of overseas Filipino workers. Thousands of Filipino workers found employment in the Middle East and in Singapore and Hongkong. These overseas Filipino workers not only helped ease the country's unemployment problem but also earned much-needed foreign exchange for the Philippines.“

[kolz]

you assumed that Marcos ordered that because you saw his loyalist you chose not to name. keyword: assumed.
that was at the height when his subordinates turned their backs.

And as if you also ASSUMED it was Cory or Marcos subordinates who ordered the Philippine constabulary to let my dad eat the election returns? Who is doing a lot of ASSUMPTIONS here? I have FIRST-HAND experience on how my parents were forced to doctor the election returns for Marcos to win, I can name names on the drop if wanted, even in court - while you are making ASSUMPTIONS about Marcos subordinates turning their back to support the communists.

that's proof that you do not know our history.

PROOF? You made that statement the burden of PROOF is upon you. Show first some proof that the Cory presidency/EDSA revolution is perpetuated by the communists - here and now.

again using logic, why would Marcos cheat in an election he is sure of winning? you really think that a housewife deserves being a president compared to Marcos?

You are not answering my question, let me repeat that for you - "Being forced under the barrel of a gun to pad election results so that Marcos can win - what do you call that?"

[OUTthinking]

And as if you also ASSUMED it was Cory or Marcos subordinates who ordered the Philippine constabulary to let my dad eat the election returns? Who is doing a lot of ASSUMPTIONS here? I have FIRST-HAND experience on how my parents were forced to doctor the election returns for Marcos to win, I can name names on the drop if wanted, even in court - while you are making ASSUMPTIONS about Marcos subordinates turning their back to support the communists.

Again, why would Marcos cheat when he has the upper hand?

PROOF? You made that statement the burden of PROOF is upon you. Show first some proof that the Cory presidency/EDSA revolution is perpetuated by the communists - here and now.

Even Pres. Reagan was aware of a communist takeover coming.
Turmoil and Triumph: The George Shultz Years -- Reagan Years
Cory freed CPP Leader Joma Sison - how do you interpret her relationship with the communists?

You are not answering my question, let me repeat that for you - "Being forced under the barrel of a gun to pad election results so that Marcos can win - what do you call that?"

Same point above, are you sure that inexperienced Cory has an edge over Marcos? If Marcos was really that of a devil, he could've massacred the EDSA rallyists as easily as Cory ordered the Mendiola and Hacienda Luisita massacres.

[Apollo24]

Again, why would Marcos cheat when he has the upper hand?



Even Pres. Reagan was aware of a communist takeover coming.
Turmoil and Triumph: The George Shultz Years -- Reagan Years
Cory freed CPP Leader Joma Sison - how do you interpret her relationship with the communists?


Same point above, are you sure that inexperienced Cory has an edge over Marcos? If Marcos was really that of a devil, he could've massacred the EDSA rallyists as easily as Cory ordered the Mendiola and Hacienda Luisita massacres.

Mao ni akong ganahan Bro.. Naay Link mo support sa imong claim bah... Dili ta anang kuwentong Barbero... Nice Link Bro... But the problem is, nakasabot ba kaha ka sa Article na imong gi share basin parehas lang mo ni yhokz101... Base sa imong article Bro, you can find answers on some of your questions... Here’s an excerpt: The Philippine Election

In the end, the Philippine election involved clear and widespread voter fraud. The consensus from the international community was that Aquino would have won were it not for the fraud perpetrated by the Marcos government. Marcos refused to acknowledge an Aquino victory and threatened violent suppression. The calculation of Realpolitik had changed for Reagan. In a cable from Ambassador Bosworth, the administration learns:

“The bottom line conclusion is inescapable: Mrs. Aquino would have won if there had been an even minimally fair count…This election has effectively cost Ferdinand Marcos most of his remaining political legitimacy and credibility both in the Philippines and in the U.S… Our over-riding policy objective is to massage our way into the post-Marcos era.” (T&T, p. 627-62
Reagan finally realized that Marcos must give up power, but he was not happy about the situation. The president did not want to have to abandon an ally. It had been all too clear that the U.S.’s failure to support the Shah in Iran had resulted in the Iranian leader’s ouster, (which led to the establishment of a Shiite Islamist state that remains hostile to U.S. interests to this day). Shultz remained sensitive to Reagan’s feelings and decided to adopt a more hands-off approach, letting events in the Philippines speak for themselves: “The president does not want to push Marcos over the brink. We have to wait for events to happen; we cannot move the president under present circumstances. The Filipino people will have to throw Marcos out. Ronald Reagan will not push out a friend.” (T&T, p. 629)

[Apollo24]

Kamong mga Pro Marcos diha... Naay Nice Article gi share ni OUTthinking na Diehard supporter ni Marcos.. Unsa masulti nnyo sa Edsa1? ingon ra ba ni c OUTthinking gi edited daw ang textbook.. Kani Bro imo jud ning Article... Continuation....... Finally, the unrest reached a critical point in the Philippines. The situation became so severe that the White House had to officially recognize the voter fraud. On February 15, the White House issued a statement: “It has already become evident, sadly, that the elections were marred by widespread fraud and violence perpetrated largely by the ruling party. It was so extreme that the election’s credibility has been called into question…” (T&T, p. 630) Corazon Aquino claimed victory the following day. Hundreds of thousands of Filipinos took to the streets. Shultz called it “an overwhelming human presence, a living, breathing river of humanity moving through the capital.” (T&T, p. 630) Yet Marcos was not ready to give up power.

Almost immediately, Marcos’s allies abandoned him. Without U.S. interference, his government crumbled around him. He threatened to use military force against opponents (including former close allies). Fearing what Marcos could do, Secretary Shultz and a number of other advisors presented a united front to Reagan, urging him to send Marcos a message to leave. Shultz recalls:

“President Reagan listened carefully. Then he turned the corner: he authorized a message to Marcos in response to threats of the use of force urging Marcos ‘to avoid an attack against other elements of the Philippines Armed Forces,’ and continued, saying that the United States ‘cannot continue our existing military assistance if the government uses that aid against other elements of the Philippine military which enjoy substantial popular backing.” (T&T, p. 636)

At 6:45 on Sunday night, President Reagan approved a second message to Marcos: it was time for Marcos to make the transition from power.” (T&T, p. 636)

Despite the president’s having sent the messages, Shultz felt Reagan had not yet turned an emotional corner with Marcos. Marcos, meanwhile, rejected the message from Reagan and continued his preparations to fight the opposition, calling for his supporters to come in from the countryside armed.

Eventually, Marcos called Special Envoy Laxalt—wanting to bargain. He hoped to broker a power-sharing deal with the new government. “No” came Reagan’s terse reply and Reagan, via Laxalt, instructed Marcos to “cut and cut clean.” (T&T, p. 637) Finally accepting he no longer had a place in the Philippines or the backing of the U.S. government, Marcos made arrangements to leave on a U.S. Air Force plane. Ferdinand and Imelda were given safe haven in Hawaii.

Aftermath

How would the U.S. recognize Aquino? Shultz wanted to portray the situation as a triumph of democracy and to do so immediately. Shultz announced from the White House pressroom that the U.S. would recognize Mrs. Aquino’s government.

[yhokz101]

https://youtu.be/PthsxMZeW7k

[Apollo24]

Ayayay post nasad ug youtube... Sayon ra kaayo pag-edit sa youtube yhokz101.. Ayaw mo padala anang youtube lage... Maypa balik-balikon nimo ug basa ni imong article na gi share, kay basin kadugayan masabtan ra nimo...Turmoil and Triumph: The George Shultz Years -- Reagan Years Or kaning article ni OUTthinking. Turmoil and Triumph: The George Shultz Years -- Reagan Years

[bronson]

Mu langsad pag-usab sa pagka presidente ang amahan ni BongBong Marcos? Diba dugay ra man to namatay?
Marcos martial law ug Cory Aquino man gud tawn ang gi lalisan diri.

[kolz]

Again, why would Marcos cheat when he has the upper hand?

Quoting by your logic - you assumed he has the upper hand. Again keyword:assumed. "Marcos ex-subordinates turning their back to support the communists" - what do you make of this statement? Pure assumption - you can not even substantiate that!

Even Pres. Reagan was aware of a communist takeover coming.
Turmoil and Triumph: The George Shultz Years -- Reagan Years
Cory freed CPP Leader Joma Sison - how do you interpret her relationship with the communists?

Do you even read the links you posted? That article clearly demonstrates the rampant cheating during the elections and verified the atrocities of the Marcoses during their reign as observed by the US ambassadors. To quote from the article you mentioned:

“The bottom line conclusion is inescapable: Mrs. Aquino would have won if there had been an even minimally fair count…This election has effectively cost Ferdinand Marcos most of his remaining political legitimacy and credibility both in the Philippines and in the U.S… Our over-riding policy objective is to massage our way into the post-Marcos era.” (T&T, p. 627-62

We all know the influence of the CPP/NPA during those times - be it in Cuba's 1959 revolution, Korea at the end of 1945, China's 1949, and the vietnam war. But I was asking for evidence on the link between Cory and the communists - there is nothing it that document that remotely links Aquino to the communists. I guess you need to re-read that article you posted and digest that before I ask you again to provide proof on the link between the Cory's government and the communists.

Now, regarding your question on why Joma Sison was freed by Cory, it seems like you need some history lessons. Joma Sison was freed for the sake of the "National Reconciliation" program, it covers not only the extreme left - but all those who were imprisoned opposing Marcos. But what did Joma Sison do after being released - he tried to discredit the Cory administration while escaping to the Netherlands. If Cory was in connivance with the communists, do you think we would still have the NPA now?

Same point above, are you sure that inexperienced Cory has an edge over Marcos? If Marcos was really that of a devil, he could've massacred the EDSA rallyists as easily as Cory ordered the Mendiola and Hacienda Luisita massacres.

Again, you evade answering my question, another fallacy in your argument - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Question_dodging.
Before I even begin to answer your question, Please answer my question first - its quite simple, answerable by yes or no - "Being forced under the barrel of a gun to pad election results so that Marcos can win, isn't that an act of cheating?"

[rickflag]

Cory was the first sanctimonious phil. president. She did it all in the name of national reconciliation. Wa toud solid proof that the Aquino's have communist links only circumstantial evidences like Ninoy's absence during Plaza Miranda's bombing and freeing of Joma Sison. Cory's action was to undo everything what Marcos has done good or bad, but I believed she's done more harm in doing so than good for instance the scrapping of Bataan Nuclear Power Plant. Now we have the highest electricity rate in all of Southeast Asia, when she freed Joma too, communist hitmen were in rampage. Mao toy pag uso sa patay sa mga policemen sa Alex Bungcayao Brigade sa mid and late 80's. She was a stupid president just like her son.