Bongbong Marcos to run as President

[yhokz101]

Sakto ka bro, dili ni personalay ang ato dri sa istorya. It's all about our views on certain issues.

Di lang nako ma-imagine nga sa kalisud sa panahon sa Martial Law, naa pa diay gihapon nag-idolize ni Marcos.
Kaabot jud ko sa panahon sa Martial Law bro and base sa akong na-obserbaran, dili jud maayo.
Kalit lang ug kawala ang mga taw nga ma-dudahan nga NPA.
Kahinumdum pa jud ko sa una nga maglinya pa mi para magpalit ug bugas sa "KADIWA" diha sa Mandaue.
Ang KADIWA kay mao na ang gi-occupy sa Missionay Clinic nga duol sa ASPAC (Mandaue Cinema sa una).
Unya kung panahon sa eleksyon, naay mga armadong mga taw nga manulod sa presinto nya kuhaon ang ballot box.

Kung naa pa lang untay time machine, maayo unta nga pa-bisitahon nato ang mga batan-on sa time sa Martial Law
aron makakita sila ug unsay gama atong panahona.

idolize? I wouldnt call myself like that, as I said there are things we should or could appreciate from his term esp the first. We all have different views about the Martial Law but one thing is for sure, it did change the entire nation and affected the generation that came after it and that includes you and me and other people these days. It is no contest that those things happened durign those time. My grandfather was a public teacher and was also exp similar fate of harassment, but he or we don't hold grudges in the long run (luckily it was not that server harassment). I don't blame for those other people who hold grudges up to now, but that's their choice.

I just want to highlight these points below, they might not outweighs the bad in your perspective but nonetheless some thoughts to ponder on:

- Senator Jose Diokno was known to be one of Marcos’ formidable foes alongside Senator Ninoy Aquino. After the successful overthrow of the Marcos regime, he was appointed as the Chairman of the Presidential Commission on Human Rights. However, during Cory’s regime and the infamous Mendiola massacre where the military opened fire and killed 15 farmers, he resigned from his position, disappointed that even after the dictator is gone, not much has changed.

- During Martial Law, Meralco was under the control of the government that’s why the electric bill during that time was incredibly lower than what’s written on our bills today. After the Cory regime got rid of the Marcoses, she gave back the company to the Lopez’ and completely out of the government’s hands.

- Public schools were normally supplied with NutriBun. a high-vitamin bun which was supposedly a complete, all-in-one meal. It only costs five centavos.

- After the 1986 people power, not much has changed and the Philippines still remained one of the poorest countries in Asia as opposed to our former title, The Tiger of Asia during Marcos’ regime.

[OUTthinking]

Because a known Marcos loyalist was there to collect the bogus election returns after my father signed them.

And come to think about it, why would somebody cheat just to have their opponent win? Remember there were only two major candidates for the presidential election.

1986 snap election was between a plain housewife versus a bar topnotcher with a track of presidential world-class achievements - you think there's a need for Marcos to cheat?
if marcos loyalists are really feared that time, why was marcos removed from malacañang? you really believed that a miracle happened that time?
true enough that when Cory got her way, was she or any of the Aquinos able to surpass even one significant achievement of Marcos?

the FACT that no AQUINO was able to surpass Marcos' achievements only shows that the Aquinos are not worthy of leading the country - that is the reason that she lost the SNAP Elections. A huge populace believed in Marcos that time, like the way miriam and duterte believe in BBM's leadership today.

[yhokz101]

Ang katong akong information bro is only for the 16th Congress.
Ang kana imong gi-post was during the 15th Congress.
Anyway, sakto sad ka nga i-apil jud ang tanan. I was just posting the 16th Congress kay mao man ang previous discussion.

With regards sa imong pangutana nga "Can we compare other vice presidency candidates who has this track records?"

Mas daghan pa ug na-file nga Senate Bills & Resolutions si Trillanes niya bro.

Santiago has filed a total of 1,007 bills and resolutions, as of December 17, the last session day of Congress in 2014. She was followed by Sens. Jinggoy Estrada with 604 bills and resolutions; Sen. Antonio Trillanes IV with 307; Sen. Lito Lapid with 219; and Sen. Joseph Victor Ejercito with 217.

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/399777/news/nation/miriam-santiago-still-has-most-number-of-bills-and-resolutions-filed

Thus, if mo-ingon ta nga mao na ang atong basehan, mas mau pa diay si Trillanes?

It is up to you bro on who you will choose then. As I've said, proven track records and accomplishment, not limiting to bills and resolutions. Let me emphasize BBM on his proven ability in handling challenges in a more responsible and pragmatic way, a well proven legislator and administrator on both local and national capacity. Fair and logical in thinking among other, visionary, motivator and an ardent defender of the Constitution.

Trillanes? Coup plotter, accused on being an accolyte of panot and one of the biggets travel spender while incarcerated and with a multiple consultant with exorbitant monthly salary amounting to millions.

So whom should I choose? But I just laid this out here to state the obvious between them. To each his own, make your vote counts.

[kolz]

1986 snap election was between a plain housewife versus a bar topnotcher with a track of presidential world-class achievements - you think there's a need for Marcos to cheat?

So explain then why my parents was forced to pad election results just to let Marcos win? Who do you think did it to my parents? Do you think it was Aquino - who at that time do not have power over the Philippine constabulary?

if marcos loyalists are really feared that time, why was marcos removed from malacañang? you really believed that a miracle happened that time?

And you think the atrocities I experienced first hand under the Marcos regime was just an afterthought? A bad dream? That incident moved me and defined my character. I bow to never again let the Marcoses in power - as if those tragic memories I have are for naught.

true enough that when Cory got her way, was she or any of the Aquinos able to surpass even one significant achievement of Marcos?

the FACT that no AQUINO was able to surpass Marcos' achievements only shows that the Aquinos are not worthy of leading the country - that is the reason that she lost the SNAP Elections. A huge populace believed in Marcos that time, like the way miriam and duterte believe in BBM's leadership today.

NO AMOUNT OF ACCOMPLISHMENT CAN ABSOLVE ANYONE'S CRIMES!!!! No matter how accomplished your president as you claim it to be, if he gets there through deceit, fraud, criminal intimidation, and various crimes - history will remember him as a criminal especially to the eyes of the victims.

Frankly I don't even like the Aquino's especially Abnoy, do not try to generalize that all who hate the Marcoses are in favor of the Aquinos. I abhor the Marcoses because of my own personal experience having witnessed first hand the atrocities of a Marcos reign.

[OUTthinking]

It is up to you bro on who you will choose then. As I've said, proven track records and accomplishment, not limiting to bills and resolutions. Let me emphasize BBM on his proven ability in handling challenges in a more responsible and pragmatic way, a well proven legislator and administrator on both local and national capacity. Fair and logical in thinking among other, visionary, motivator and an ardent defender of the Constitution.

Trillanes? Coup plotter, accused on being an accolyte of panot and one of the biggets travel spender while incarcerated and with a multiple consultant with exorbitant monthly salary amounting to millions.

So whom should I choose? But I just laid this out here to state the obvious between them. To each his own, make your vote counts.

aside from achievements, I trust that miriam and bbm won't let BBL pass in its original form. Original BBL already got SAF and civilians killed, things will get worse when an LP candidate pushes it through.

[OUTthinking]

Frankly I don't even like the Aquino's especially Abnoy, do not try to generalize that all who hate the Marcoses are in favor of the Aquinos. I abhor the Marcoses because of my own personal experience having witnessed first hand the atrocities of a Marcos reign.

Where did I say that you are in favor of Aquino?
I just pointed out that Marcos led Philippines on a much higher level than any Aquino that's why Marcos did not see an inexperienced Cory as a threat. Many Marcos subordinates turned their backs on him to support the cause of the communists led by Cory - it's not far to assume that the Marcos loyalist you saw was one of the turncoats.

Wait, you think Cory deserved to win the SNAP election but got cheated?

[PhakSheet]

idolize? I wouldnt call myself like that, as I said there are things we should or could appreciate from his term esp the first. We all have different views about the Martial Law but one thing is for sure, it did change the entire nation and affected the generation that came after it and that includes you and me and other people these days. It is no contest that those things happened durign those time. My grandfather was a public teacher and was also exp similar fate of harassment, but he or we don't hold grudges in the long run (luckily it was not that server harassment). I don't blame for those other people who hold grudges up to now, but that's their choice.

I did not single out a particular person. It might not be you but there are many. I noticed it in forums, social media and comments under news reports. As I had observed, most are only basing their opinion on what they read in the internet (which IMO, are propaganda) and don't really have an actual experience on what went out during those years. They tend to go away from articles, written by foreign individuals, which were actually their assessment of the Philippines.

I just want to highlight these points below, they might not outweighs the bad in your perspective but nonetheless some thoughts to ponder on:

- Senator Jose Diokno was known to be one of Marcos’ formidable foes alongside Senator Ninoy Aquino. After the successful overthrow of the Marcos regime, he was appointed as the Chairman of the Presidential Commission on Human Rights. However, during Cory’s regime and the infamous Mendiola massacre where the military opened fire and killed 15 farmers, he resigned from his position, disappointed that even after the dictator is gone, not much has changed.

The error committed by the military was actually a remnant of Marcos. They were used to doing like that during the time of Marcos and bad habits are hard to eradicate. I think that was written on one of the links that I provided. It takes time to fully correct incidents like that as it involves mind-set.

- During Martial Law, Meralco was under the control of the government that’s why the electric bill during that time was incredibly lower than what’s written on our bills today. After the Cory regime got rid of the Marcoses, she gave back the company to the Lopez’ and completely out of the government’s hands.

When you say lower, how much was the ratio of the cost per KW-hr against the minimum wage at that time compared with the current ratio? Do you have the data? Show it here and I might agree with you.

- Public schools were normally supplied with NutriBun. a high-vitamin bun which was supposedly a complete, all-in-one meal. It only costs five centavos.

NutriBun were not from Marcos. That was US Aid (honestly, that was one of my good memories for that time including the yellow corn) since the Philippines was a strategic location for the US during the Cold War and thus, they poured much Aid for the Philippines to ensure that our government will retain their bases.

- After the 1986 people power, not much has changed and the Philippines still remained one of the poorest countries in Asia as opposed to our former title, The Tiger of Asia during Marcos’ regime.

Try to check again... RP was an envy for the other South East Asian Nations before Marcos including Lee Kwan Yew of Singapore. However, as I've said in my previous posts, RP was a poor country shortly before Marcos was exiled. He was even begging for a loan from Lee Kwan Yew in which he was turned down for the fear that he (Lee Kwan Yew) might not see that money again.

So you can't expect that our country can recover in such a immediately considering the debt that Marcos left. To think also, the loan that Marcos requested from Lee KY was just for the payment of the interest of the previous loans.

With regards to LKY's account related to the Philippines, I think you can research it on the internet. Also, there is a post in this thread today regarding the trend of out debt from the time of Marcos until Pnoy. It also graphed the Peso to Dollar exchange rate. try to read it...

[kolz]

Where did I say that you are in favor of Aquino?

I just pointed out that Marcos led Philippines on a much higher level than any Aquino that's why Marcos did not see an inexperienced Cory as a threat.

My statement is a statement of position, and just like you, I just pointed out the reason why I disliked the Marcoses due to a personal experience.

Many Marcos subordinates turned their backs on him to support the cause of the communists led by Cory - it's not far to assume that the Marcos loyalist you saw was one of the turncoats.

"communists led by Cory" - this made me laugh, seriously what were you smoking?

Wait, you think Cory deserved to win the SNAP election but got cheated?

Being forced under the barrel of a gun to pad election results so that Marcos can win - what do you call that? Isn't that cheating?

[PhakSheet]

It is up to you bro on who you will choose then. As I've said, proven track records and accomplishment, not limiting to bills and resolutions. Let me emphasize BBM on his proven ability in handling challenges in a more responsible and pragmatic way, a well proven legislator and administrator on both local and national capacity. Fair and logical in thinking among other, visionary, motivator and an ardent defender of the Constitution.

Trillanes? Coup plotter, accused on being an accolyte of panot and one of the biggets travel spender while incarcerated and with a multiple consultant with exorbitant monthly salary amounting to millions.

So whom should I choose? But I just laid this out here to state the obvious between them. To each his own, make your vote counts.

I have not yet decided on who to vote.
I only raised that one because you were enumerating BBM's authored bills and asking "Can we compare other vice presidency candidates who has this track records?"

In fairness to Trillanes, I liked him when he exposed the corruption that the Binays done in Makati.

[OUTthinking]

My statement is a statement of position, and just like you, I just pointed out the reason why I disliked the Marcoses due to a personal experience.

you assumed that Marcos ordered that because you saw his loyalist you chose not to name. keyword: assumed.
that was at the height when his subordinates turned their backs.

"communists led by Cory" - this made me laugh, seriously what were you smoking?

that's proof that you do not know our history.

Being forced under the barrel of a gun to pad election results so that Marcos can win - what do you call that? Isn't that cheating?

again using logic, why would Marcos cheat in an election he is sure of winning? you really think that a housewife deserves being a president compared to Marcos?