Bastos ba ang mag unay or incest? Pero sa biblia dili lagi bastos? Old testament!

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naa kay common sense? In this approach murag wala na gi explain sa Ginoo siguro, mo dig in more sa genetics and all. dli kaha sila ma tagbaw ug sabot? Anyway, contradicting, sakto na usab. sama ra sad pod na sa daghan na usab from old testament to new testament.


morality btaw ang na mention sa bible, which later on sa naa na tay technology sa pag discover unsay reason sa abnormality usa ang incest kay ma corrupt ang genes.


If na himugso ka sa una panahon before ni moses, kahibaw kaha ka ana? i doubt that.. karon kahibaw naka tungod sa information na imo na basa sa technology ug uban pa.. pero if imo e consider sa una libog ug lisod. na unsa man tawn ka.. sabta. bible lage ang gi tira, gi himong sad-an..

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mamo pod.. ako lang gi tubag pod..

expression ra na bro, tinambay na expression hahaha..

labi na naay mo sulti "bastos", kung la relate ka.

aw...pareh0 ra diay...kaning naa sa Thread kay expression ra sad ni TS... "bastos" kuno, naa man sa title gud....ahahaha.

[Brownman_politiks]

naa kay common sense? In this approach murag wala na gi explain sa Ginoo siguro, mo dig in more sa genetics and all. dli kaha sila ma tagbaw ug sabot? Anyway, contradicting, sakto na usab. sama ra sad pod na sa daghan na usab from old testament to new testament.


morality btaw ang na mention sa bible, which later on sa naa na tay technology sa pag discover unsay reason sa abnormality usa ang incest kay ma corrupt ang genes.


If na himugso ka sa una panahon before ni moses, kahibaw kaha ka ana? i doubt that.. karon kahibaw naka tungod sa information na imo na basa sa technology ug uban pa.. pero if imo e consider sa una libog ug lisod. na unsa man tawn ka.. sabta. bible lage ang gi tira, gi himong sad-an..

- naa koy common sense oi kay kung wa pa di nako ma spot ang inyong contradiction nga gi pugos jud ninyo og ignore.

wa ka kasabot sa akong statement nga imo gi quote, paminaw ha, ang ponto mao ni, wala gibutang sa ginoo ang reason diha kung ngano ang osa ka butang nga siya mismo nag mugna iya naman gi bawal some time later, so why man mo ingon mo nga tungod na sa genetics, kuha na nimo? I am not trying to question why God did not explain himself, but rather sa inyong assumptions nga tungod na sa genetics? for all we know basin lain ang rason ,nya nag genetic genetic mo diha.

lain nga ponto, we thought nga tungod sa moral values ang reason, but lagi ingon man mo nga genetics w/c is based on aesthetics, so my question now is, asa man diay ang moral value sa ginoo atong panahon nga gi allow pa niya ang pakig hilawas sa mga igsoon?

- Corruption sa gene pool bai has nothing to do with morality. LOL this is very subjective. then in the first place wa jud sab ni sa bible nga tungod kay genetics.

- maka balo ba ko nga sayop ni if nahimugso ko atong panahona? what made you absolutely say nga di ko makibaw?

mao lagi ni e pinilosopo dayun basta maglisod namo og tubag, very typical christian fanatic.

[yhokz101]

- naa koy common sense oi kay kung wa pa di nako ma spot ang inyong contradiction nga gi pugos jud ninyo og ignore.

wa ka kasabot sa akong statement nga imo gi quote, paminaw ha, ang ponto mao ni, wala gibutang sa ginoo ang reason diha kung ngano ang osa ka butang nga siya mismo nag mugna iya naman gi bawal some time later, so why man mo ingon mo nga tungod na sa genetics, kuha na nimo? I am not trying to question why God did not explain himself, but rather sa inyong assumptions nga tungod na sa genetics? for all we know basin lain ang rason ,nya nag genetic genetic mo diha.

First of all wala na na mugna, naa na daan, before pa like adam and eve if e based nato sa bible jud.. The thing is, why gi allow Niya at first then gi prohibit na.

mao ni - It is undeniable that God allowed incest in the early centuries of humanity. If Adam and Eve were indeed the only two human beings God created, their sons and daughters would have had no other choice but to marry and reproduce with their siblings and close relatives.

lain nga ponto, we thought nga tungod sa moral values ang reason, but lagi ingon man mo nga genetics w/c is based on aesthetics, so my question now is, asa man diay ang moral value sa ginoo atong panahon nga gi allow pa niya ang pakig hilawas sa mga igsoon?

it was rather a necessity over morality para mo survice ang tao, if mao ni atong baseha ang bible sa panahon nila adam and eve.
Si kinsa man or unsaon mn nila pag reproduce? Mag clone?

Later on why wala na go allow sa ginoo ang ani nga butanga? Although by right dli jd sakto. It was commanded by god later on na dli na lawful and sinful na ang act. for the detailed reason, you can ask him in the afterlife. Why question the purpose if you yourself agree that it is indeed wrong.

The point is why He allowed it? Tan-awa ang ako reply naka underline above.

- Corruption sa gene pool bai has nothing to do with morality. LOL this is very subjective. then in the first place wa jud sab ni sa bible nga tungod kay genetics.

is it not? You know already unsay outcome/ma produce sa act of incest, why it was prohibit by law karon. The reason incest is so strongly discouraged in the world today is the understanding that reproduction between closely related individuals has a much higher risk of causing genetic abnormalities. In the early days of humanity, though, this was not a risk due to the fact that the human genetic code was relatively free of defects. So if you know it will result to that and will corrupt the genes, wala nmo na commit ang immorality? You know and then acted despite, now that is something you should ponder about. Do you think moses has a masters degree about genetics so that he can understand in case God explained that to him? just a hypothetical question..

- maka balo ba ko nga sayop ni if nahimugso ko atong panahona? what made you absolutely say nga di ko makibaw?

exactly mao gani pina ingon paka na repulsive, kay kahibaw naman ka.. sa mga informations and all. but what if sa unang panahon. unsa man imogn basehan? na dli pa ana ka advance and science, admit it .. sa bible jd kay gi bawal naman. Dli ka kahibaw for teh same reason na wala kahibaw ang mga unang tao.. unless naa kay "special" gift. who knows

very typical christian fanatic.

coz you seem like a very and pretty closed minded sa explanation sa uban diri.. i know maski unsaon namo pag explain, dli jd ka mo accept pero have teh decency to listen and understand sa ubang explanation.

[JakLine]

ahm nag basa2 cu s first few pages of this thread and super init ng conversation nyo guys. wla p lng ncu matiwas tnan ug basa..

i don't wanna argue ninyu coz naa mn jud tay lain2 na point of views and beliefs. ang sa acu lng, can't we just ask question generally without throwing harsh words to any religion or group of people? everyone can answer this naman dbuh? mapa Christian, atheist, or what. it's just that general kaau ta manghusga sa uban tao buh. if naai uban Christian or pastor na bati atung tan-aw, should we look on to other Christians and pastors the same way? i know this is a little bit off topic but i am just concern to those people na masakitan pd sa i name sa ilaha. even mn cguro ikaw n ngbasa if ingnun k sa uban taw na "imung family kai ingun ani (something bad) although imung cousin or layu n relative ruh ang ingun atu (that something bad)".

with regards sa question, i don't have any solid answer yet with that. i have my own understanding on why did it happened in history. i accept n there are some things that we keep on asking ourselves or other people that only God can answer. and that answer will not come in an instant. naa man jud nay due process. everything comes in the right time. even the answer to that question. maau pd na nka ask k ana TS kai all of us who read your question could also ask ourselves "nganu bitaw sa?". kai pnagsa lng ang mka open ana n topic.

thanks.

[Brownman_politiks]

First of all wala na na mugna, naa na daan, before pa like adam and eve if e based nato sa bible jud.. The thing is, why gi allow Niya at first then gi prohibit na.

kung naa na daan it means gi mugna, kay unsaon man pag naa if wala gi mugna.

mao ni - It is undeniable that God allowed incest in the early centuries of humanity. If Adam and Eve were indeed the only two human beings God created, their sons and daughters would have had no other choice but to marry and reproduce with their siblings and close relatives.

ah so you are saying that God gave them no other choice but to commit incest. thank you for not avoiding the word incest.

it was rather a necessity over morality para mo survice ang tao, if mao ni atong baseha ang bible sa panahon nila adam and eve.
Si kinsa man or unsaon mn nila pag reproduce? Mag clone?

ok so for a moment God suppressed his moral judgment in favor of survival? if mao na it leaves a question mark sa morality sa ginoo. Let us close our eyes and let it pass kay mas importante ang osa kabutang bahalag mobohat sila og sayop ayaw badlonga.

Later on why wala na go allow sa ginoo ang ani nga butanga? Although by right dli jd sakto. It was commanded by god later on na dli na lawful and sinful na ang act. for the detailed reason, you can ask him in the afterlife. Why question the purpose if you yourself agree that it is indeed wrong.

I want to ask you now since you want to project here nga mouthpiece ka sa ginoo diri, so you should catch up mr.speaker.

is it not? You know already unsay caused sa incest, why it was prohibit by law karon. The reason incest is so strongly discouraged in the world today is the understanding that reproduction between closely related individuals has a much higher risk of causing genetic abnormalities. In the early days of humanity, though, this was not a risk due to the fact that the human genetic code was relatively free of defects. So if you know it will result to that and will corrupt the genes, wala nmo na commit ang immorality? You know and then acted despite, now that is something you should ponder about. Do you think moses has an masters degree about genetics so that he can understand in case God explained that to him? just a hypothetical question..

again, this is only the scholars' assumption, walay hint sa bible nga genetics. basin diay lain ang reason nya nag genetic genetic mo diha.

usbon nako ha ako lang e bold kay gi ignore man nimo, wa nimo tubaga. walay hint sa bible nga genetics. basin diay lain ang reason nya nag genetic genetic mo diha.

God does not need to explain the modern day terms that geneticists use today to explain to Moses why, if indeed it was the corruption of the gene pool, he changed his mind concerning incest. "God created the world" di ba ang those words came out from Moses mouth and God was able to explain to them how the world came into existence w/o mentioning the big bang or any scientific theories to them. So your apologetic is so weak.

but then again kini nga reason nga genetic is assumption ra ni sa scholar way hint ni osa sa bible.

exactly mao gani pina ingon paka na repulsive, kay kahibaw naman ka.. sa mga informations and all. but what if sa unang panahon. unsa man imogn basehan? na dli pa ana ka advance and science, admit it .. sa bible jd kay gi bawal naman. Dli ka kahibaw for teh same reason na wala kahibaw ang mga unang tao.. unless naa kay "special" gift. who knows

the question is kung makahibalo ba ko? so ako pangutana nimo is gi unsa man nimo pod pagkabalo nga di ko makahibalo.
bai bata pa ko kabalo nako nga sayop na w/o my parents or the church telling me.

specila gift? haha, ay na lang ta aning style nimo nga provocative kaayo. di nako madala ana. e reserve na sa mga ignorante.

coz you seem like a very and pretty closed minded sa explanation sa uban diri.. i know maski unsaon namo pag explain, dli jd ka mo accept pero have teh decency to listen and understand sa ubang explanation.

oi gifted pod diay ka, gi unsa nimo pagkabalo nga di ko modawat ug lain nga explanation?

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ahm nag basa2 cu s first few pages of this thread and super init ng conversation nyo guys. wla p lng ncu matiwas tnan ug basa..

i don't wanna argue ninyu coz naa mn jud tay lain2 na point of views and beliefs. ang sa acu lng, can't we just ask question generally without throwing harsh words to any religion or group of people? everyone can answer this naman dbuh? mapa Christian, atheist, or what. it's just that general kaau ta manghusga sa uban tao buh. if naai uban Christian or pastor na bati atung tan-aw, should we look on to other Christians and pastors the same way? i know this is a little bit off topic but i am just concern to those people na masakitan pd sa i name sa ilaha. even mn cguro ikaw n ngbasa if ingnun k sa uban taw na "imung family kai ingun ani (something bad) although imung cousin or layu n relative ruh ang ingun atu (that something bad)".

with regards sa question, i don't have any solid answer yet with that. i have my own understanding on why did it happened in history. i accept n there are some things that we keep on asking ourselves or other people that only God can answer. and that answer will not come in an instant. naa man jud nay due process. everything comes in the right time. even the answer to that question. maau pd na nka ask k ana TS kai all of us who read your question could also ask ourselves "nganu bitaw sa?". kai pnagsa lng ang mka open ana n topic.

thanks.

correct maam, ang problema man gud sa oban is basta mahutdan na og tubag e pinolosopo dayun nga puede ra man unta mag istorya , chika chika ba nga paagi, seryoso kaayo ang mga fundamentalists diri gud.

[yhokz101]

kung naa na daan it means gi mugna, kay unsaon man pag naa if wala gi mugna.

gi mugna ang incest? It was there all along from the time nila adam and eve cguro, it was not "mugna" but was discovered. learn the difference.. instinct to pro-create is what drives them to do it, most probably sa early times.

ah so you are saying that God gave them no other choice but to commit incest. thank you for not avoiding the word incest.

If you are familiar with free will, then no, He give them choices.. wala niya gi dumo ang usa padung sa usa ka tao para mo handos bira. But sa ako gi ingon, what drives them is carnal or rather instinct to reproduce. In a way to relate sa bible, gi ingon na go and multiply.

ok so for a moment God suppressed his moral judgment in favor of survival? if mao na it leaves a question mark sa morality sa ginoo. Let us close our eyes and let it pass kay mas importante ang osa kabutang bahalag mobohat sila og sayop ayaw badlonga.

Why incest is immoral? Balik ta ani.. kay tungod based sa karon na mga hibaw-an nato, luod kaau ni.. mag unay ra, "repulsive" .. but to think in a sense to pro-create, this level does make sense, male + female = new life. But then again, for many generations, genetically doing it with same bloodline will cause a genetic abnormality. So, maybe it was ruled out that it is no longer wise and advisable to pro-create thru incest unless no other choice. You are narrating God's thoughts, thats great.

tan-awa sa real casue why incest is forbidden na... and for pete's sake why limit your partner nga daghan namang tao. it is only the only option sa una kay less ra ang population.. logically. pero sa imo punto, God closes his eyes para sa butang na importante rather than morality, who knows? But im glad it went that way, kay if wala... cguro wala ta ni survive sa kalibutan (if we stick to bible's storyline)

I want to ask you now since you want to project here nga mouthpiece ka sa ginoo diri, so you should catch up mr.speaker.

If you have same sentiment, then why question it? esp sa past naman na, and given na dli provided tanan details? Just to stir something here right? Just admit it.. i know your style.

again, this is only the scholars' assumption, walay hint sa bible nga genetics. basin diay lain ang reason nya nag genetic genetic mo diha.

it was not any scholars assumtion, it was proven based sa history of incest, apil na sa lineage sa royalties and such. what else nganung gina prohibit ni cya karon, kay proven na based on genetics and history. unsa paman diay lain e reason, aside sa morality which we gained from different sources.

usbon nako ha ako lang e bold kay gi ignore man nimo, wa nimo tubaga. walay hint sa bible nga genetics. basin diay lain ang reason nya nag genetic genetic mo diha.

mao na ang gap sa bible.. for whatever reason, be thankful gina prohibit pod na sa bible otherwise naay daghan nag incest karon ila pang gina practice. For a reason of morality and abnormality.. or whatever drives God to prohibit it kay dli man ka mo accept sa common and most logical reason about abnormality, just be thankful nalang. Gi ask pod btaw ka unsa sa imo tan-aw reason nya nganu gi prohibit. naa kay laing angle diha para e share?

God does not need to explain the modern day terms that geneticists use today to explain to Moses why, if indeed it was the corruption of the gene pool, he changed his mind concerning incest. "God created the world" di ba ang those words came out from Moses mouth and God was able to explain to them how the world came into existence w/o mentioning the big bang or any scientific theories to them. So your apologetic is so weak.

Sakto ka dli na need Niya e explain to moses, also moses dont need any explanation from God. That's the difference between moses and the likes of you. abot lage kag bing bang na.. He "maybe" changed His mind kay kahibaw cya sa probability na if ma padayun pa ning incest dli na healhty. gets nimo? Yaw nag abot sa bing bang tawn.

but then again kini nga reason nga genetic is assumption ra ni sa scholar way hint ni osa sa bible.

mao nay apan nimo, tanan kuhaon ang asnwer sa bible.. daghan wala diha na gina detail pero cguro gi left out kay dli na kaau need e detail. like sa why man gi prohibit na anf incest, diretso ra, way nay explanation nganu iya gi prohibit? Incest was not only permissible but necessary sa ako pang gi ingon sa unang panahon.

the question is kung makahibalo ba ko? so ako pangutana nimo is gi unsa man nimo pod pagkabalo nga di ko makahibalo.
bai bata pa ko kabalo nako nga sayop na w/o my parents or the church telling me.

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gifted jd diay ka.. hahaha.. bata paka wa nay nag tudlo nmo mao ni sakto o dli, wala ka latusa or unsa kung maka sala ka.

a "bit" arrogant of you.. gutiay la!

oi gifted pod diay ka, gi unsa nimo pagkabalo nga di ko modawat ug lain nga explanation?

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for the same reason dli nmo e analyze ug sakto in an unbiased ad not being subjective sa ubang mga explanation dri, labi na kung mo base sa bible. Though the Bible leaves us with many mysteries and unanswered questions, like incest in the Bible is one but bottomline is, move on, it is sinful and take it from there. I know you question God and the bible, basically on Gods morality on those days. How and waht is His basis to prohibit incest in those days.. there are lots of gaps and silence in scriptures got lots more of it.

Ako lang is main problem is not morals, it can be argued that just because it is immoral does not mean that it didn't happen. The main problem is biological. Interbreeding two families causes severe retardation, mutation and infertility.

If based on bible, just take it as a unlawful, to ask why.. that I cant definitely answer, that's why i gave you some assumptions in this first reply (genetics to morality).

[Brownman_politiks]

gi mugna ang incest? It was there all along from the time nila adam and eve cguro, it was not "mugna" but was discovered. learn the difference.. instinct to pro-create is what drives them to do it, most probably sa early times.

puede pod wala sila tagae sa god og sexual drive, so kay gi built in man sa creator therefore gi mugna. if you will only set aside personal agenda malikayan nimo ang confusion. apilan man gud nimo og kasoko mao ng gamay nga butang such as this imo buhatan og isyu.

If you are familiar with free will, then no, He give them choices.. wala niya gi dumo ang usa padung sa para para mo handos bira. But sa ako gi ingon, what drives them is carnal or rather instinct to reproduce. In a way to relate sa bible, gi ingon na go and multip

they were left with no choice, my goodness, puro manag igsoon ra ang naa, way lain so no choice but to commit incest. and here you are saying naa silay freewill ato nga sitwasyon.

let's not talk about them kay wa silay mabuhat because it was god who put them there. irrelevant kaayo ang ilang intention. god according to the fundamentalists' interpretation allowed incest during their time.

Why incest is immoral? Balik ta ani.. kay tungod based sa karon na mga hibaw-an nato, luod kaau ni.. mag unay ra, "repulsive" .. but to think in a sense to pro-create, this level does make sense, male + female = new life. But then again, for many generations, genetically doing it with same bloodline will cause a genetic abnormality. So, maybe it was ruled out that it is no longer wise and advisable to pro-create thru incest unless no other choice. You are narrating God's thoughts, thats great.

bai we don't need the bible lagi to know what is wrong og sakto, check out other Religions nga dili bible based, mas maayo gani kanang mga traditions nga gatoon og spirituality so you would know how irrelevant your argument is.

sure male+female equals life but ang problema lagi gi prohibit na later sa Leviticus and according ninyo ang rason is genetic, now, where in the bible does it say nga genetic? inyo ra man na nga interpretation nga inyo gi pugos og fit sa verses but in truth no single verse gives a hint nga tungod na sa genetics.

tan-awa sa real casue why incest is forbidden na... and for pete's sake why limit your partner nga daghan namang tao. it is only the only option sa una kay less ra ang population.. logically. pero sa imo punto, God closes his eyes para sa butang na importante rather than morality, who knows? But im glad it went that way, kay if wala... cguro wala ta ni survive sa kalibutan (if we stick to bible's storyline)

whaaaaaaaaaaaat? god suppressed his moral judgment in favor sa osa ka animal instinct of procreation via incest? bai you just open a can of worms here kay mahimong questionable ang morality sa ginoo, it would mean nga basin there are other laws that god made that are not based sa iyang moral values tungod kay iyang gi withhold in favor sa laing mga carnal nga reasons. mora og politician imong ginoo bai?

it was not any scholars assumtion, it was proven based sa history of incest, apil na sa lineage sa royalties and such. what else nganung gina prohibit ni cya karon, kay proven na based on genetics and history. unsa paman diay lain e reason, aside sa morality which we gained from different sources.

ang kanang depensa nga genetics wala na sa bible, therefore assumption ra na sa scholar. unless mka hatag ka nako og osa ka verse nga nag hint nga ang rason sa prohibition is tungod sa corruption sa gene pool then let us accept nga di na assumption from the scholar.


usbon nako ha ako lang e bold kay gi ignore man nimo, wa nimo tubaga. walay hint sa bible nga genetics. basin diay lain ang reason nya nag genetic genetic mo diha.

Sakto ka dli ka need niya e explain to moses, also moses dont need any explanation from God. That's teh difference between moses and the likes of you. abot lage kag bing bang na.. He "maybe" changed His mind kay kahibaw cya sa probability na if ma padayun pa ning incest dli na healhty. gets nimo? Yaw nag abot sa bing bang tawn.

paeta hasta akong illustration gi initan man. Asa lagi ang hint nga tungod sa corruption sa gene pool mao ang reason sa ginoo ngano iya ng gi prohibit?

kay taphaw kaayo na nga reason bai, kanang mga special child from parents nga di paryente tungod man pod na sa mutation sa DNA, nganong wa man lagi ni ingon ang bible nga e bawal pod ang pag *** nila? hehe. sa tinood man gani dili tanan bata nga mahimogso sa mga parents nga paryente kay special child or PWD (person with disabilities) daghan mga maayo og lawas.

mao nay apan nimo, tanan kuhaon ang asnwer sa bible.. daghan wala diha na gina detail pero cguro gi left out kay dli na kaau need e detail. like sa why man gi prohibit na anf incest, diretso ra, way nay explanation nganu iya gi prohibit? Incest was not only permissible but necessary sa ako pang gi ingon sa unang panahon.

o kung kami mo hatag og rason pangitaan mi niny0 bible verse pero kung kamo na pangitaan, ingon dayun mo nga di tana kuhaon sa bible hehe.

kana atong gi discuss karun nga first gi allow sa ginoo then late gi prohibit na, naa na sa bible, karun kana imong ingon nga genetics mao na ang wala sa bible.


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gifted jd diay ka.. hahaha.. bata paka wa nay nag tudlo nmo mao ni sakto o dli, wala ka latusa or unsa kung maka sala ka.

a "bit" arrogant of you.. gutiay la!

incest ang ato gi hisgutan ha. klarohon nato kay imo ra ba rason "bata paka way nagtudlo nimo mao ni sakto o dili", general kaayo.

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for the same reason dli nmo e analyze ug sakto in an unbiased ad not being subjective sa ubang mga explanation dri, labi na kung mo base sa bible. Though the Bible leaves us with many mysteries and unanswered questions, like incest in the Bible is one but bottomline is, move on, it is sinful and take it from there. I know you question God and the bible, basically on Gods morality on those days. How and waht is His basis to prohibit incest in those days.. there are lots of gaps and silence in scriptures got lots more of it.

di lagi na mao ang problema, but ang reason ninyo nga genetics. kay sa ato pa ok ra ang incest if di genetics ang problema? kuyawan man pod ta ana inyong reason.

Ako lang is main problem is not morals, it can be argued that just because it is immoral does not mean that it didn't happen. The main problem is biological. Interbreeding two families causes severe retardation, mutation and infertility.

nya asa lagi na sa bible nga mao na ang reason why god changed his mind?

If based on bible, just take it as a unlawful, to ask why.. that I cant definitely answer, that's why i gave you some assumptions in this first reply (genetics to morality).

so therefore anyone can just make their own assumption.

[bluetonika]

"bai bata pa ko kabalo nako nga sayop na w/o my parents or the church telling me."

then who did?

[yhokz101]

@Brownman_politiks, bai maski pa mag abot ang atong lantugi diri sa 20000 pages, dli jd mahuman. kay nganu? Lahi man tag preference, ikaw obviously wala nag tuo sa bible, wala cguro pod nag tuo sa Ginoo. That's why you ask questions indiscriminately about sa morality Niya in regards sa incest sa unang panahon. Imong gipangitaan ug conflict on why he "allows" it then later on prohibit it. Sa punto ana daghang possible explanation ang gi hatag diri but yet you still question his morality. why not question Him all the way daghan ang mga innocente nangamatay? daghanng injustice, daghan kalamidad? For same reason, dli sayun ang tubag pero if naa man gani, i highly doubt madawat nmo. All you see are gaps and loopholes in bible esp sa "why". Of course its not wrong to ask why, pero answer ana is difficult. maski kinsa pa imo pangutan-on. Ang tono man gud nmo is discrete but provocative to those who has God and believe in Him. Questioning his morality, but imo man pod na.. lahi2x man ang tawo. mao ni fundamental sa bible and science pod.. same ra sa topic ani, unsay reason, proof of evidence why na "change" iyang mind. We could give you some, but hey, you want to have it taken from the bible. same thing as any arguments between atheist and believer. So, para nko naa ra unsa imong ma come up.. kay to think dli ni ma mahuman, is a waste of time. You persist on us giving you answer taken from the bible to achieve your goal into making the bible look fraud, but maybe it is, who knows you are right all along. The joke is on us.. right.

[Brownman_politiks]

"bai bata pa ko kabalo nako nga sayop na w/o my parents or the church telling me."

then who did?

nice question. sigoro ato lang tawagon nga konsensya.